Topic 'Re: Its back off the shelf' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464016 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:21:46 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:21:46 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22467599 said by swhx7:

Agreed. The problem is, there's nothing constraining them to be reasonable.

Is there competition in the cable business in any market in the USA today? For TV services, yes. For Internet services, not much. There's few broadband providers and then tend to price fairly comparatively.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22467599 Sat, 30 May 2009 01:09:18 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22467593 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22467593 Sat, 30 May 2009 01:06:40 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22465858
In the end the fear that TWC has of being just another "dumb pipe" will be a reality because they did not change with the times. They are so busy looking backwards not seeing the forest through the trees, thinking that old business model is going to last forever as long as they squash innovation.

And just a side note about the whole you will pay a lot for one channel if they took it out of a package. Well I rather pay 5 bucks for 1 channel I will watch, then 35 bucks for 1 or 2 channels I watch and 50 added I have not intention to ever watch. But I gave up cable tv service 3 years ago, there is plenty of good OTA free programing. And what little I did watch over cable, now has migrated to also being online, such as The Daily Show.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22465858 Fri, 29 May 2009 18:14:21 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22465851 said by hamburglar_:

said by swhx7:

Is there competition in the cable business in any market in the USA today? And for internet, most cities have at best a cable monopoly and a telco monopoly.

Yes, there is. Here in Columbus, Ameritech built a cable system using their right-of-way back in the '90s, called Americast. It is completely separate from the Time Warner and Insight plants and they overlap with both in the metro. Once Ameritech (now ATT) decided they weren't a cable operator, they sold it to another company »www.wowway.com We are one of the lucky markets with another choice.
It's still not a competitive heaven, though. I have lived in 2 different areas of Columbus (currently live southeast of 161 & Karl Rd. in the Forest Park area) served by Insight and wasn't able to get Americast (or WOW) to service me in either location, only Insight or AT&T. Still stuck with the duopoly.

My dad's house in Gahanna has service from both TWC and WOW, but is considered too far away for AT&T DSL. It's nice to have another option as TWC gave him a better deal since they knew WOW also serviced the area, but it just goes to show that when the consumer has options (competition) it usually leads to better service at a better price. I can guarantee you that there would be zero talk of metered billing or caps if people could take their business elsewhere.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22465851 Fri, 29 May 2009 18:13:09 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22465462 said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

said by nasadude:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

And then you get the customer on slowly increasing costs so that they will hardly notice. That reduces the chance of them jumping ship to a low probability - especially since the other companies will likely adopt this winning strategy. No competition on price to worry about.
So, your suggestion is they treat their customers like the "boiling frog": don't turn up the heat (charges) to high all at once or they'll jump out; turn up the heat (charges) slowly, and before they realize it, they will be cooked (fleeced)!

as far as "No competition on price to worry about", it's more like "no competition to worry about".
But when you mix stupidity and greed all you get is a badly run business. But now that TW has screwed up any possible chance of a per-use model, I really doubt they are going to try it again. TW has proven that this is NOT what customers want, no matter what they say or do.
I kind of disagree with that, TW has proven time and time again that they are not consumer friendly, and they continually try to leave the door open for this blantant gouging in the future. Furthermore, they have yet to address how they plan to upgrade any of their existing customers. The "surgically upgrade" statements should show their customer base just how much TW cares about the ever expanding consumer need.

Or in other words...they've slung so much sh*t that they can't help stepping in it again!
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It's not like it was advertised on TWC homepage or anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22465422 Fri, 29 May 2009 16:45:10 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464892 said by nasadude:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

And then you get the customer on slowly increasing costs so that they will hardly notice. That reduces the chance of them jumping ship to a low probability - especially since the other companies will likely adopt this winning strategy. No competition on price to worry about.
So, your suggestion is they treat their customers like the "boiling frog": don't turn up the heat (charges) to high all at once or they'll jump out; turn up the heat (charges) slowly, and before they realize it, they will be cooked (fleeced)!

as far as "No competition on price to worry about", it's more like "no competition to worry about".
We don't like change, so TW and others could have easily gotten away with this if they just eased it in (ie high caps BEFORE the recession, then during the recession they can use the "excuse" "due to economic times we have to lower the caps" which of course we all knew would be BS but they could get away with it.) But when you mix stupidity and greed all you get is a badly run business. But now that TW has screwed up any possible chance of a per-use model, I really doubt they are going to try it again. TW has proven that this is NOT what customers want, no matter what they say or do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464892 Fri, 29 May 2009 15:08:21 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464759
Of course they are....Its what they have been spending billions of dollars on over the last few years!

They will be next to cap.....for sure!

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464759 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:20 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464713 said by neowulf:

I think the real problem is that they are a cable company before they are a internet service provider. They are trying to protect the outdated business model, when à la carte is what people want, and you can find online now. You don't have to subscribe to some over inflated package of 50 channels you will never watch just for the one or two they stick in the package you watch all the time. Cable cannot choose to do a-la-carte. There are comm companies that own multiple networks (the recent Viacom/TWC fight comes to mind) that dont let cable buy single networks. So, if one of these companies owns a populat channel (Nickelodeon) and ALSO another not-so-popular-channel they want to sell the cable companies (Water Poloing Horses), cable has to buy ALL channels the other companies want to sell them.

That cost, of course, is passed onto the consumer. There are a lot of niche channels out there that people would pay for, but the price per channel would be expodential as opposed to what is now). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464713 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:40:04 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464626 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464626 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:28:56 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464559 said by hottboiinnc:

LOL. It's only a matter of time that VZ does the same thing. They're watching and they have something planned. Also what happens if areas that are serviced by VZ doesn't get FiOS they're screwed either way huh?

VZ isn't all what it's cracked out to be. Their own CTO said last year he was interested in caps.
The difference between caps from VZ and TWC is. VZ isn't in the business of TV, while TWC is. VZ will cap higher, while TWC will cap lower (as you've seen).

Also i don't think VZ will cap at all, because they're number 1 competitor at the moment OOL, doesn't plan on doing it.
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VZ isn't all what it's cracked out to be. Their own CTO said last year he was interested in caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464511 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:02 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464509 said by ThrowDemsOut:

And then you get the customer on slowly increasing costs so that they will hardly notice. That reduces the chance of them jumping ship to a low probability - especially since the other companies will likely adopt this winning strategy. No competition on price to worry about.
So, your suggestion is they treat their customers like the "boiling frog": don't turn up the heat (charges) to high all at once or they'll jump out; turn up the heat (charges) slowly, and before they realize it, they will be cooked (fleeced)!

as far as "No competition on price to worry about", it's more like "no competition to worry about".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464509 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:08:33 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464503
WOW should expand their areas and actually make use of their network instead of just staying where Ameritech built out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464503 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:07:30 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464499
The problem is who defines who the hog is? The cable company? They already made it quite clear they think anything over 40gigs a month would be considered insane amount of data for the average user.

If the cable company wants metered billing so bad, then they are going to have to be heavily regulated like any metered service, something they don't want, and spend millions a year lobbying against.

I think the real problem is that they are a cable company before they are a internet service provider. They are trying to protect the outdated business model, when à la carte is what people want, and you can find online now. You don't have to subscribe to some over inflated package of 50 channels you will never watch just for the one or two they stick in the package you watch all the time.

That is really what this is all about, I don't even think they care if they make more from the metered billing aspect, and if they do that is just the gravy on top, as long as it keeps people from being able to watch online video. Being Time Warner prohibits operators to sell channels which stand alone it sort of points to the fact they think à la carte is not a profitable business model and are doing everything in their power to make sure consumers don't have that choice online either. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464499 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:06:37 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464406
If the board of directors had any insight and fully capable people, they'll fire these inept bafoons, and hire people who embrace technology, not curb it.

Best thing I've ever did, was dump the shit that's Road Runner. Only a matter time before i leave the shit-stain inept ridden TWC.
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

And then structure the fees so that average users pay the same they are paying now; very light users pay less(good PR value); and the hogs pay a lot more. End result is the same revenue with a good upside potential as more users use the connection for video.
Well, I don't think any users will pay less, if they get an ARPU dent, that CEO is out of there and the stock gets sell ratings from Craig Moffett.
50 MB has to be the lite tier so grandma checking her email is going to go over the limit for the lite tier.
Marketing analysts and the accountants could structure the fees so that the chance of a dropping ARPU are close to zero. And then you get the customer on slowly increasing costs so that they will hardly notice. That reduces the chance of them jumping ship to a low probability - especially since the other companies will likely adopt this winning strategy. No competition on price to worry about.
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said by swhx7:

Is there competition in the cable business in any market in the USA today? And for internet, most cities have at best a cable monopoly and a telco monopoly.

Yes, there is. Here in Columbus, Ameritech built a cable system using their right-of-way back in the '90s, called Americast. It is completely separate from the Time Warner and Insight plants and they overlap with both in the metro. Once Ameritech (now ATT) decided they weren't a cable operator, they sold it to another company »www.wowway.com We are one of the lucky markets with another choice.
In Connecticut, Americast was just outright abandoned, I wish RCN bought the plant back in the day, but I guess SBC couldn't allow a competitor to their internet and phone services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464387 Fri, 29 May 2009 13:48:49 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464346 said by ThrowDemsOut:

And then structure the fees so that average users pay the same they are paying now; very light users pay less(good PR value); and the hogs pay a lot more. End result is the same revenue with a good upside potential as more users use the connection for video.
Well, I don't think any users will pay less, if they get an ARPU dent, that CEO is out of there and the stock gets sell ratings from Craig Moffett.
50 MB has to be the lite tier so grandma checking her email is going to go over the limit for the lite tier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464346 Fri, 29 May 2009 13:43:23 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464186 said by Tim Warner Cable :

Check out what Time Warner Cable customers are saying in REAL TIME at »twitter.com/twcsucks. It ain't pretty.
Real good cross section of TWC users - only those that go to twcsucks. No skewing of results there - LOL.
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Is there competition in the cable business in any market in the USA today? And for internet, most cities have at best a cable monopoly and a telco monopoly.

Yes, there is. Here in Columbus, Ameritech built a cable system using their right-of-way back in the '90s, called Americast. It is completely separate from the Time Warner and Insight plants and they overlap with both in the metro. Once Ameritech (now ATT) decided they weren't a cable operator, they sold it to another company »www.wowway.com We are one of the lucky markets with another choice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464148 Fri, 29 May 2009 13:19:33 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464073
Is there competition in the cable business in any market in the USA today? And for internet, most cities have at best a cable monopoly and a telco monopoly.

Without competition, they will probably keep the tiers and caps so low that substantial fractions of the userbase will be paying overages or having to restrain internet activity. The solution is public ownership of the "last mile" and a larger number of companies competing to provide service to each household or business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464073 Fri, 29 May 2009 13:08:46 EDT Re: Its back off the shelf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464037 said by baineschile:

We all know that their plan will be back off the shelf and re-accounced in the coming months.

I just hope their caps will be more reasonsable (100gig+), not 5-40.
They would be smart if they kill the caps altogether & move to a sliding consumption model that charges more the more you use. And then structure the fees so that average users pay the same they are paying now; very light users pay less(good PR value); and the hogs pay a lot more. End result is the same revenue with a good upside potential as more users use the connection for video.

LOL. I should be charging the cable companies for these ideas. They need a change in their marketing and business plans. »Some observations
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I just hope their caps will be more reasonsable (100gig+), not 5-40.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Its-back-off-the-shelf-22464016 Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:07 EDT