Topic 'Re: Wow 100m!' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476496 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:40:39 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:40:39 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22500513 said by BF69:

You know that's against the TOS. You want to host get a BUSINESS account.
There you go again with the business account crap......to host a multiplayer game. Wow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22500513 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:59:57 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22500504 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22500504 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:56:55 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22494343
Who freaking cares if other industries do it? I despise them also. But we are here talking about broadband...

Let me be clear, I don't mind the idea of the cap. What I fear is the lack of a fair operational process to increase the cap as NORMAL usage increases. Who gets to define normal, and how often are issues that need to be well planned prior to implementing this plan. For nothing more than to ensure that these companies who now own the content, distribution, and general access are not permitted to create their own artificial moneypots that will hinder our technological development.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22494343 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:56:37 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22493558 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22493558 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:24:08 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22482577 said by wentlanc:

said by espaeth:

Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service.
You are absolutely right. Let's use your own numbers. If I'm paying $100 a month for 50Mbps service, then given that dedicated service is ~$500 a month (by your own numbers), then I'm paying for ~20% of dedicated service and only getting 1.5%. You're getting a little closer, but $10/mbps pricing is usually on a GigE handoff within the confines of a carrier neutral meet-me facility. You have to factor in the access costs for getting that connection to your house, which drives the cost up a bit more.

There's also some additional for service features (McAfee subscriptions, email, etc), residential support, and profit.

said by wentlanc:

said by espaeth:

That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for.
Again, you said it, I didn't. These companies are misleading consumers purposely to their own benefit. It's a shame that there is not more honesty in this world....
True, but that's not unique to the broadband industry. As the phrase goes, a fool and his money are soon parted. Buying broadband access without actually doing some research is like going to a used car dealer without any preparation.

Comcast's 250GB cap is a step in the right direction, although I'm sure most people won't acknowledge it as such. Unlike ISPs that promise the world with absolutely no possibility of delivering to every customer, at least some ISPs are disclosing limits on what reasonable expectations are for usage on shared infrastructure.

It would be awesome if it really could be unlimited, but sadly that's just not the case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22482577 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:23:56 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22482208 said by baineschile:

What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west?
We've got that competitive combination coming here (maryland near DC) next month or early August, and that'll be the day comcast gets fired! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22482208 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:11:13 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481824 said by espaeth:

Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service.
You are absolutely right. Let's use your own numbers. If I'm paying $100 a month for 50Mbps service, then given that dedicated service is ~$500 a month (by your own numbers), then I'm paying for ~20% of dedicated service and only getting 1.5%.

said by espaeth:

That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for.
Again, you said it, I didn't. These companies are misleading consumers purposely to their own benefit. It's a shame that there is not more honesty in this world....

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481824 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:33:51 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481618
Unfortunately I live in "Lower" Delaware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481618 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:46:29 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481275 www.google.com/search?q=1%20Mb/s···GB/month
1Mb/s = 321 GB/month, so it would take ~24 days, but you could STILL hit a 250GB cap on that line.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481275 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:42:38 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481250 said by 54903205:

said by baineschile:

What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west?
Delaware.
Most of Maryland. *All* of Washington, DC. Most of Pennsylvania. (Comcast, in addition to being based in Philly, also is the dominant cable company in most of the non-rural parts of Pennsylvania.) Most of Virginia. (Verizon, not AT&T, is the majority ILEC in Virginia; not just in the Tidewater/Northern Neck region, which is ex-GTE territory, as most of the rest of the state is core Bell Atlantic (and before that, C&P Telephone).)

Further, for the record, while some of the area that Verizon is selling to Frontier Communications is the disconnected/rural portions of ex-GTE territory, some of it goes back to the beginning of Verizon, if not Bell Atlantic (West Virginia, for example, was part of the original C&P Telephone, a core component of Bell Atlantic). West Virginia and New England in particular have historically been among the most difficult in terms of M&R for linepersons (climatologically speaking); no wonder VZ wants to get rid of them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22481250 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:36:46 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22480496 said by digitalfreak:

Assume much? You have no idea what he's doing.
1.5TB download?

Either your running a home video editing business, or your just DDOSing someone.

(1500000/(5/8))/60/60/24=27 days a month worth of SDTV, sure your actually using what your downloading, only if your a robot with no sleep or bathroom needs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22480496 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:30:03 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22480476 said by espaeth:

said by hbk4099:

maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/s
Let's see how those stats look in 6 months when more than a handful of people in the entire OOL service area have Ultra subscriptions.
Yep, and there is a limit to splitting the nodes, at a certain point, it will be cheaper just to mount a gigabit ethernet switch on the pole and run fiber to your house than to give you a dedicated fiber node since what happens if 3 adjacent houses have 24/7 P2Pers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22480476 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:25:42 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479389 said by baineschile:

What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west?
I am out on the West Coast near Portland, Oregon and I currently have Fios 20/5 and do know that Comcast offers Docsis 3.0 at my place as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479389 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:07:11 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479374 said by wentlanc:

The 50 meg tier can transfer 16 Terabytes in a month. They are giving you 1.5% of the bandwidth that they are charging you for. Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service.

said by wentlanc:

How much of what you pay for should you actually be able to get?
That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479374 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:04:54 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479346 said by hbk4099:

maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/sLet's see how those stats look in 6 months when more than a handful of people in the entire OOL service area have Ultra subscriptions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479346 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:58:40 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479221 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479221 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:32:59 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479192
The 50 meg tier can transfer 16 Terabytes in a month. They are giving you 1.5% of the bandwidth that they are charging you for. The 100 meg teir is pointless except as a method to add revenue for people who use more than the cap. The speed upgrade at that point is pointless.

$$ grab....

How much of what you pay for should you actually be able to get?

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479192 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:27:36 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479191 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479191 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:27:21 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479101 said by espaeth:

said by me1212:

Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap
But it's not real. Ignoring overhead, there are 4 x 38mbps channels on the entire segment that users are connected to. That's 152mpbs of total capacity shared across at least 100 subscribers, if not more. Under the 101mbps plan, exactly 1 person on the segment can consume that bandwidth at any given time.

You have to see these plans for what they are; they are no different than the late-night infomercials that promise 6-pack abs in 3 weeks.

At this point you're just comparing the BS claims of one company against the BS claims of another company.
maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/s]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479101 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:10:02 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479013 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22479013 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:50:58 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478877 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478877 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:26:37 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478773 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478773 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:04:13 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478689 said by me1212:

Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap But it's not real. Ignoring overhead, there are 4 x 38mbps channels on the entire segment that users are connected to. That's 152mpbs of total capacity shared across at least 100 subscribers, if not more. Under the 101mbps plan, exactly 1 person on the segment can consume that bandwidth at any given time.

You have to see these plans for what they are; they are no different than the late-night infomercials that promise 6-pack abs in 3 weeks.

At this point you're just comparing the BS claims of one company against the BS claims of another company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478689 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:45:55 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478684 said by baineschile:

A higher upload increases my chance to host a game; i dont host a server.
How much upload do you need to host a game? Hell one can do that with 2 Mbps upload. Besides hosting a game MAY violate the TOS. I don't know the nuts and bolts of Comast's TOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478684 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:45:22 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477679 YET !!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477679 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:50:02 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478355 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478355 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:49:37 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478354 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478354 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:49:16 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478147 said by baineschile:

What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west?
Delaware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478147 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:13:51 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478146 said by me1212:

With a 250GB cap.
Who said "250gb cap"... so far, this is a "rumor".. second, in that same "rumor" I see nothing about a cap.. are you assuming? The assumption COULD very well be correct as speed doesn't necessarily equate to transfer. For some people, they'll do the same thing, only in shorter time, while others see the need to download everything in sight just for the fun of it..

.. but as for now, your post, as simple as it is, seems make me believe you already know it will be 250gb, which I personally doubt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22478146 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:13:35 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477950 said by baineschile:

What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west?
Comcast and another cable company both serve my area and I have FIOS.

They overlap most everywhere since FIOS is in mostly the same states as comcast.

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20/20 FIOS || MSN Msgr: scott001^gmail_com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477950 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:41:01 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477916 said by jadebangle:

said by DarkLogix:

actually its more of a soft boogyman cap

I have friends that regularly use over 500GB and no call

so its more of watch yourself if you go over they might give you a warning
I average about 750gb a month with comcast, stayed with them for 6 months until I went fiber optic at 10mbps symmetrical at 53.99

Nice move? Now I am averaging about 1.5tb a month download and upload.. Still pretty disappointed at 10mbps that's a far cry from 100mbps :(
That's alot of illegal movies you're downloading]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477916 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:35:59 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477716 said by Matt:

said by me1212:

With a 250GB cap.
That is not that bad. I left Hulu HD running for 15 or 16 hours yesterday and it used a whopping 4GB or so. I can't separate out my other traffic usage, but the entire day was only 5GB.
and except for the very very few HD shows they have at most their shows and movies stream at a paltry 1 Mbps which is barely 480p. 720p quality shows/movies would run about 3 GB per hour. So 2 1/2 hours day would put you over the cap. If you have a family of 4 then each person only gets about 40 minutes a day. That's assuming you use your internet connection for watching online video and nothing else.

In the near future even a 1 TB cap is not going to be enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477716 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:00:37 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477658 said by DarkLogix:

actually its more of a soft boogyman cap

I have friends that regularly use over 500GB and no call

so its more of watch yourself if you go over they might give you a warning
I average about 750gb a month with comcast, stayed with them for 6 months until I went fiber optic at 10mbps symmetrical at 53.99

Nice move? Now I am averaging about 1.5tb a month download and upload.. Still pretty disappointed at 10mbps that's a far cry from 100mbps :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477658 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:51:14 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477627 said by major marco:

said by me1212:

With a 250GB cap.
You can enjoy 100 Mbps and exceed the cap, just make sure that you write Comcrap a blank check for the privilege.
Rather surprised you didn't realize this because I've seen you post a lot. They don't charge overage fees.
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Jay: What the @#$% is the internet???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477627 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:46:53 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477582 said by baineschile:

Thats true, but the upload helps with hosting :)
You know that's against the TOS. You want to host get a BUSINESS account.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477582 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:40:29 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477146 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22477146 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:38:15 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476993
I have friends that regularly use over 500GB and no call

so its more of watch yourself if you go over they might give you a warning]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476993 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:15:35 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476981 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476981 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:13:37 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476958 said by me1212:

Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap verizon is rumored to be testing 100m and has no cap, CC looks not so great. They could at least make it a 1TB cap for the 50m and 100m packs.
When viewed against their competition, you are absolutely correct.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476958 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:09:42 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476860 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476860 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:56:03 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476812 said by me1212:

With a 250GB cap.
You can enjoy 100 Mbps and exceed the cap, just make sure that you write Comcrap a blank check for the privilege.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476812 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:47:24 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476716 said by me1212:

With a 250GB cap.
That is not that bad. I left Hulu HD running for 15 or 16 hours yesterday and it used a whopping 4GB or so. I can't separate out my other traffic usage, but the entire day was only 5GB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476716 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:26:10 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476692 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476692 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:20:30 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476665 said by me1212:

With a 250GB cap.
QFT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476665 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:13:53 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476648 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476648 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:11:13 EDT Re: Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476602
Remember, increased speed doesnt mean increased downloading. I would love a faster connection for gaming, which doesnt use more than 3 gig/mo

I suppose they are trying to get the a marketing standpoint; the "100 plan"

100 HD stations
100 Mb internet
100 (hours talktime on the phone maybe?)

As I am sure most people agree, a 100Mb connection isnt NECESSARY for anyone in this day and age (but will be in the future), but it will make a good marketing standpoint.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wow-100m-22476602 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:02:39 EDT Wow 100m! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Wow-100m-22476496 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Wow-100m-22476496 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:45:14 EDT