me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to Matt
Re: Wow 100m!
Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap verizon is rumored to be testing 100m and has no cap, CC looks not so great. They could at least make it a 1TB cap for the 50m and 100m packs. |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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| said by me1212  :Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap verizon is rumored to be testing 100m and has no cap, CC looks not so great. They could at least make it a 1TB cap for the 50m and 100m packs. When viewed against their competition, you are absolutely correct. |
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baineschile
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Sterling Heights, MI | What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? |
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Vamp
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| said by baineschile :What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? Comcast and another cable company both serve my area and I have FIOS.
They overlap most everywhere since FIOS is in mostly the same states as comcast.
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54903205
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join:2008-10-07
Newark, DE
| reply to baineschile
said by baineschile :What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? Delaware. |
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espaeth
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| reply to me1212
said by me1212 :Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap But it's not real. Ignoring overhead, there are 4 x 38mbps channels on the entire segment that users are connected to. That's 152mpbs of total capacity shared across at least 100 subscribers, if not more. Under the 101mbps plan, exactly 1 person on the segment can consume that bandwidth at any given time.
You have to see these plans for what they are; they are no different than the late-night infomercials that promise 6-pack abs in 3 weeks.
At this point you're just comparing the BS claims of one company against the BS claims of another company. |
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sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | It's called splitting the nodes, which is not that expensive for the company to do. And not everyone in the area has the highest tier of broadband. The vast majority subscribe to the lowest tier. |
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hbk4099
join:2005-12-30
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said by espaeth :said by me1212 :Yes it is a decent cap, but when CV has 101m with no cap But it's not real. Ignoring overhead, there are 4 x 38mbps channels on the entire segment that users are connected to. That's 152mpbs of total capacity shared across at least 100 subscribers, if not more. Under the 101mbps plan, exactly 1 person on the segment can consume that bandwidth at any given time. You have to see these plans for what they are; they are no different than the late-night infomercials that promise 6-pack abs in 3 weeks. At this point you're just comparing the BS claims of one company against the BS claims of another company. maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/s |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Vamp
Not the mid west states. No FiOS to be seen here. Just DSL. Which cable blows away. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
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None of this is real, and that's why people are not happy.
The 50 meg tier can transfer 16 Terabytes in a month. They are giving you 1.5% of the bandwidth that they are charging you for. The 100 meg teir is pointless except as a method to add revenue for people who use more than the cap. The speed upgrade at that point is pointless.
$$ grab....
How much of what you pay for should you actually be able to get?
cw |
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espaeth
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| reply to hbk4099
said by hbk4099 :maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/s Let's see how those stats look in 6 months when more than a handful of people in the entire OOL service area have Ultra subscriptions. |
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espaeth
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| reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc :The 50 meg tier can transfer 16 Terabytes in a month. They are giving you 1.5% of the bandwidth that they are charging you for. Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service.
said by wentlanc :How much of what you pay for should you actually be able to get? That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for. |
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Vumes
join:2009-01-04
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said by baineschile :What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? I am out on the West Coast near Portland, Oregon and I currently have Fios 20/5 and do know that Comcast offers Docsis 3.0 at my place as well. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by espaeth :said by hbk4099 :maybe you should read the cablevision forums with the people who have ultra and have been getting anywere from 92-120Mbp/s Let's see how those stats look in 6 months when more than a handful of people in the entire OOL service area have Ultra subscriptions. Yep, and there is a limit to splitting the nodes, at a certain point, it will be cheaper just to mount a gigabit ethernet switch on the pole and run fiber to your house than to give you a dedicated fiber node since what happens if 3 adjacent houses have 24/7 P2Pers? |
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PGHammer
join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
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said by 54903205 :said by baineschile :What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? Delaware. Most of Maryland. *All* of Washington, DC. Most of Pennsylvania. (Comcast, in addition to being based in Philly, also is the dominant cable company in most of the non-rural parts of Pennsylvania.) Most of Virginia. (Verizon, not AT&T, is the majority ILEC in Virginia; not just in the Tidewater/Northern Neck region, which is ex-GTE territory, as most of the rest of the state is core Bell Atlantic (and before that, C&P Telephone).)
Further, for the record, while some of the area that Verizon is selling to Frontier Communications is the disconnected/rural portions of ex-GTE territory, some of it goes back to the beginning of Verizon, if not Bell Atlantic (West Virginia, for example, was part of the original C&P Telephone, a core component of Bell Atlantic). West Virginia and New England in particular have historically been among the most difficult in terms of M&R for linepersons (climatologically speaking); no wonder VZ wants to get rid of them. |
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Tavokk
join:2009-05-05
Smyrna, DE | reply to 54903205
NORTHERN Delaware.
Unfortunately I live in "Lower" Delaware. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to espaeth
said by espaeth :Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service. You are absolutely right. Let's use your own numbers. If I'm paying $100 a month for 50Mbps service, then given that dedicated service is ~$500 a month (by your own numbers), then I'm paying for ~20% of dedicated service and only getting 1.5%.
said by espaeth :That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for. Again, you said it, I didn't. These companies are misleading consumers purposely to their own benefit. It's a shame that there is not more honesty in this world....
cw |
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MareMare
join:2007-08-02
Washington, DC
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|  reply to baineschile
said by baineschile :What markets do FiOS and Comcast overlap in? I am aware of a few places on the east coast (Virginia, NJ) are there any others in the midwest or west? We've got that competitive combination coming here (maryland near DC) next month or early August, and that'll be the day comcast gets fired!  |
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espaeth
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| reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc :said by espaeth :Unless you're paying $500+/mo, you're not even starting to pay for dedicated 50mbps service. You are absolutely right. Let's use your own numbers. If I'm paying $100 a month for 50Mbps service, then given that dedicated service is ~$500 a month (by your own numbers), then I'm paying for ~20% of dedicated service and only getting 1.5%. You're getting a little closer, but $10/mbps pricing is usually on a GigE handoff within the confines of a carrier neutral meet-me facility. You have to factor in the access costs for getting that connection to your house, which drives the cost up a bit more.
There's also some additional for service features (McAfee subscriptions, email, etc), residential support, and profit.
said by wentlanc :said by espaeth :That depends on if you understand what you are actually paying for. Not the crap the marketing departments are telling you, but what you are honestly paying for. Again, you said it, I didn't. These companies are misleading consumers purposely to their own benefit. It's a shame that there is not more honesty in this world.... True, but that's not unique to the broadband industry. As the phrase goes, a fool and his money are soon parted. Buying broadband access without actually doing some research is like going to a used car dealer without any preparation.
Comcast's 250GB cap is a step in the right direction, although I'm sure most people won't acknowledge it as such. Unlike ISPs that promise the world with absolutely no possibility of delivering to every customer, at least some ISPs are disclosing limits on what reasonable expectations are for usage on shared infrastructure.
It would be awesome if it really could be unlimited, but sadly that's just not the case. |
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indy0365
join:2001-08-25
Franklin, IN | reply to hottboiinnc
verizion is rolling out fios in ft wayne ind a mere 100 mi from toledo |
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