Wolfie00
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Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time
Interesting chart -- thanks for posting.
Probably the most direct comparison of Airbus with Boeing is to compare the large population of smaller Airbus models in the A318 to A321 family with the Boeing 737 family. That's quite the tough comparison for Airbus, because the 737 is widely recognized as one of the safest, most robust aircraft ever made.
The result -- from that chart -- is that the Airbus family has a lower accident rate than the 737 "Classic" series -- that is, the "newer" 737 models with efficient turbofan engines -- "Classic" and "NG" together represents almost all 737's flying today*. However, Boeing's "next-generation" (NG) 737's (models 600 and up) have a lower accident rate than the Airbus models. The accident rate for all of them is spectacularly low compared to the world fleet average.
Some of the other conclusions one can draw from that chart:
- passenger jet aircraft have generally been getting safer with newer models
- the two earliest Airbus models had about an average safety record; the majority are way better than the world fleet average
- if any major multi-model manufacturer can be criticized as having a poorer than average record, it would have to be the now-defunct McDonnell Douglas. This is especially so when considering the trouble-plagued DC-10 and its equally defective successor, the MD-11 -- an aircraft with so many flight deck problems that the FAA forced Boeing to redesign the flight software. Ironically, McDonnell Douglas is now part of Boeing!
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* with the exception of the one pollution-belching 737 that was leased from Air Inuit by Stephane Dion's campaign in the last election 
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Ian
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said by dirtyjeffer  :i'm not blaming anything on anyone...just pointing out yet another observation...ANOTHER crash, ANOTHER Airbus. Pretty good safety record overall. Although the A310 seems a bit dodgy.
Part of the problem is the fleets in 3rd world countries (like...say...France ) with poor maintenance and training, flying older aircraft.
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dirtyjeffer
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i see where you are going, but i don't want to blame everything on the French.   |
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Wolfie00
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said by dirtyjeffer :i'm not blaming anything on anyone...just pointing out yet another observation...ANOTHER crash, ANOTHER Airbus. And what inference are we supposed to make from that?
Here's another equally useful observation. AF447 was headed to Paris. This flight had left from Paris. TWA 800 had also been headed for Paris. Uh-oh! 
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dirtyjeffer
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said by Wolfie00 :So you're accusing Airbus of making shoddy planes, despite the absence of one shred of evidence to support that, or any statistical validity whatsoever? i'm not blaming anything on anyone...just pointing out yet another observation...ANOTHER crash, ANOTHER Airbus.
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Wolfie00
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Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time
So you're accusing Airbus of making shoddy planes, despite the absence of one shred of evidence to support that, or any statistical validity whatsoever? That makes about as much sense as blaming the Tooth Fairy for airline crashes!
If you want some facts, Airbus is very highly regarded in the aerospace community and has delivered more aircraft than Boeing in every single year since 2003. In the ten and a half year period beginning in 1999, Airbus has received more orders than Boeing in every year but three.
OT, but many years ago -- before 9/11 and all the security crackdowns -- I flew to New York with my young son on his very first airplane flight. It was an Air Canada A319 and, rambunctious child that he was, he asked to see the cockpit. They let him in and he plunked himself on the floor behind the two pilots and had such a great time that the stewardess thought I should go up and check it out too. So I spent some time up there and was just blown away by the awesome technology that Airbus is using. I've been a fan every since! 
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dirtyjeffer
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it doesn't matter...it's still an Airbus...besides, people curse Ford, GM and Chrysler for different models, different circumstances and different failures...i will hold the aircraft to the same set of standards.
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Mark Z
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Just flew an Airbus 310 from Ottawa to Toronto last weekend with the misses, told her "you know this thing is built in 4 different countries..." 100+ flights for me and every Airbus I fly makes me curse Karl and Brian to hell.
Hey at least they ain't made in China, though it sometimes feels like it. Hoping a 380 comes to Ottawa, I'd make the trip out to plane spot it for sure! |
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Wolfie00
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I guess you missed the part about "completely different type of plane, completely different circumstances, completely different type of failure"!  |
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Mashiki
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Maybe just the airlines I've flown on but every airbus that I've ever flown on has felt like it's tried to drive the seat through my ass. |
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dirtyjeffer
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hey look...another crash, another Airbus (this time an A310):
»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31638822/ns···s-africa
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Anonnomy
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It was just for show - I work at pearson |
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Wolfie00
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Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time
said by DKS :said by Wolfie00 :I suspect, though, that Western airlines wouldn't have such "rules". I think this just reflects Singapore's notoriously strict and conservative culture. Would Emirates, based in Dubai, be much different? Probably not, but Dubai isn't "the west"!
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dirtyjeffer
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yea, i know...that's why i said "seems"...even the latest accident involves an Airbus jet. 
»www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/0···?ref=rss
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Snickerdo
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said by dirtyjeffer :naa...it just seems that a disproportionately high number of issues seem to happen to Airbus planes, that's all. Proof? I think we had this exact same discussion with you before.
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dirtyjeffer
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naa...it just seems that a disproportionately high number of issues seem to happen to Airbus planes, that's all. |
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dennilfloss
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Another video.
»www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o···1164388/ |
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SK
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Probably because they're European. All skill, and no heart.
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