Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time in Canadian Chat

Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time in Canadian Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22479523 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:45:34 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:45:34 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645724 Wolfie00 : Interesting chart -- thanks for posting.

Probably the most direct comparison of Airbus with Boeing is to compare the large population of smaller Airbus models in the A318 to A321 family with the Boeing 737 family. That's quite the tough comparison for Airbus, because the 737 is widely recognized as one of the safest, most robust aircraft ever made.

The result -- from that chart -- is that the Airbus family has a lower accident rate than the 737 "Classic" series -- that is, the "newer" 737 models with efficient turbofan engines -- "Classic" and "NG" together represents almost all 737's flying today*. However, Boeing's "next-generation" (NG) 737's (models 600 and up) have a lower accident rate than the Airbus models. The accident rate for all of them is spectacularly low compared to the world fleet average.

Some of the other conclusions one can draw from that chart:

- passenger jet aircraft have generally been getting safer with newer models

- the two earliest Airbus models had about an average safety record; the majority are way better than the world fleet average

- if any major multi-model manufacturer can be criticized as having a poorer than average record, it would have to be the now-defunct McDonnell Douglas. This is especially so when considering the trouble-plagued DC-10 and its equally defective successor, the MD-11 -- an aircraft with so many flight deck problems that the FAA forced Boeing to redesign the flight software. Ironically, McDonnell Douglas is now part of Boeing!

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* with the exception of the one pollution-belching 737 that was leased from Air Inuit by Stephane Dion's campaign in the last election :D :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645724 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:17:14 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645000 Ian :

said by dirtyjeffer

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i'm not blaming anything on anyone...just pointing out yet another observation...ANOTHER crash, ANOTHER Airbus.

Pretty good safety record overall. Although the A310 seems a bit dodgy.

Part of the problem is the fleets in 3rd world countries (like...say...France :D) with poor maintenance and training, flying older aircraft.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645000 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:59:46 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644663 dirtyjeffer : i see where you are going, but i don't want to blame everything on the French. :p ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644663 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:52:54 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644525 Wolfie00 :

said by dirtyjeffer

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i'm not blaming anything on anyone...just pointing out yet another observation...ANOTHER crash, ANOTHER Airbus.

And what inference are we supposed to make from that?

Here's another equally useful observation. AF447 was headed to Paris. This flight had left from Paris. TWA 800 had also been headed for Paris. Uh-oh! :o
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644525 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:25:47 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22643009 dirtyjeffer :

said by Wolfie00

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So you're accusing Airbus of making shoddy planes, despite the absence of one shred of evidence to support that, or any statistical validity whatsoever?

i'm not blaming anything on anyone...just pointing out yet another observation...ANOTHER crash, ANOTHER Airbus.
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If you want some facts, Airbus is very highly regarded in the aerospace community and has delivered more aircraft than Boeing in every single year since 2003. In the ten and a half year period beginning in 1999, Airbus has received more orders than Boeing in every year but three.

OT, but many years ago -- before 9/11 and all the security crackdowns -- I flew to New York with my young son on his very first airplane flight. It was an Air Canada A319 and, rambunctious child that he was, he asked to see the cockpit. They let him in and he plunked himself on the floor behind the two pilots and had such a great time that the stewardess thought I should go up and check it out too. So I spent some time up there and was just blown away by the awesome technology that Airbus is using. I've been a fan every since! :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642475 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:29:04 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642384 dirtyjeffer : it doesn't matter...it's still an Airbus...besides, people curse Ford, GM and Chrysler for different models, different circumstances and different failures...i will hold the aircraft to the same set of standards. :p
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Hey at least they ain't made in China, though it sometimes feels like it. Hoping a 380 comes to Ottawa, I'd make the trip out to plane spot it for sure!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642308 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:48:32 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22641547 Wolfie00 : I guess you missed the part about "completely different type of plane, completely different circumstances, completely different type of failure"! :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22641547 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:01:44 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22641544 Mashiki : Maybe just the airlines I've flown on but every airbus that I've ever flown on has felt like it's tried to drive the seat through my ass.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22641544 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:01:12 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22641400 dirtyjeffer :

said by dirtyjeffer

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yea, i know...that's why i said "seems"...even the latest accident involves an Airbus jet. :(

»www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/0···?ref=rss

hey look...another crash, another Airbus (this time an A310):

»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31638822/ns···s-africa
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said by DKS

said by Wolfie00

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I suspect, though, that Western airlines wouldn't have such "rules". I think this just reflects Singapore's notoriously strict and conservative culture. :)

Would Emirates, based in Dubai, be much different?

Probably not, but Dubai isn't "the west"! ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22483260 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:19:08 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22483178 dirtyjeffer : yea, i know...that's why i said "seems"...even the latest accident involves an Airbus jet. :(

»www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/0···?ref=rss
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said by dirtyjeffer

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naa...it just seems that a disproportionately high number of issues seem to happen to Airbus planes, that's all.

Proof? I think we had this exact same discussion with you before.
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»www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o···1164388/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22483066 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:45:46 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22482955 SK : Probably because they're European. All skill, and no heart. ;)
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said by theninjasqua

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Where is a good spot near the airport to go and sit to watch the planes come in? I've gone over to the Tim Hortons or Wendys parking lot once on Airport road but its not overly ideal. Anyone have some good site seeing tips?

Dixie Road in Mississauga is almost right up against 23-05 and there's almost like a parking area where people go to watch the planes fly in right overhead. Only issue is that I don't think that runway is used as often as the 24-06es further south, but you should still get a good view.
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said by dirtyjeffer

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it looks nice, but i still don't trust Airbus planes.

Yeah, I'd like to know why too. Airbus have an excellent safety record.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22482923 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:19:37 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22482921 theninjasqua : Where is a good spot near the airport to go and sit to watch the planes come in? I've gone over to the Tim Hortons or Wendys parking lot once on Airport road but its not overly ideal. Anyone have some good site seeing tips?
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It doesn't look that big in a picture without a scale of reference because everything in it is proportionally bigger.
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said by dirtyjeffer

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it looks nice, but i still don't trust Airbus planes.

Why not ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22482782 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:53:53 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22482610 dirtyjeffer : it looks nice, but i still don't trust Airbus planes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22482610 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:28:43 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22481945 elwoodblues :

said by DKS

said by Wolfie00

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I suspect, though, that Western airlines wouldn't have such "rules". I think this just reflects Singapore's notoriously strict and conservative culture. :)

Would Emirates, based in Dubai, be much different?

Thats where they cut off your private parts when having sex with an unmarried woman ;)
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said by Wolfie00

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I suspect, though, that Western airlines wouldn't have such "rules". I think this just reflects Singapore's notoriously strict and conservative culture. :)

Would Emirates, based in Dubai, be much different?
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I suspect, though, that Western airlines wouldn't have such "rules". I think this just reflects Singapore's notoriously strict and conservative culture. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22480746 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:16:16 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22480647 digitalfutur : I doubt very much that aspiring mile-high club members are going to forego what can be done on a double bed if they can do it in the washroom !

If the plane is a rockin', don't come knockin'. :D
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Must have been one heck of a change order.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22480418 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:14:44 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22480397 Wolfie00 : Some pics of the interior.

The first three are concepts done up by Airbus. The last one is inside one of the luxury-class suites available on Singapore Airlines (SQ). Yep, on some airlines you will be able to book your own private bedroom on these things.

And before anyone gets any ideas, SQ has already thought of it and banned it ... ;)

quote:
"If couples engage in inappropriate activities we will kindly request them to stop. There are acceptable and unacceptable things in an airplane. The same rules apply in the double suites as in the rest of the airplane," a SQ spokesman said.

Australian couple Tony and Julie Elwood who were one of the first couples to book such a suite don't understand. "They give you a double bed, privacy and loads of champagne but won't allow you in the most natural act that could come of this".

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22480397 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:11:34 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22480393 beefy : About 3:30 I was in a parking lot in Burlington (about 30-40 kms west of PIA).

I looked up and saw this MASSIVE plane just floating like a giant bird. At first I thought it wasn't moving--it was flying that low and slow. It did a 180 degree turn and headed back toward Toronto.

p.s.Our city (Burlington) is the home of the pilot. I am sure he was looking to see if his house was still there.
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Seeing that thing land will be something. Will have to figure out the landing times so I can time to be at the window.
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Cooling off: Jets are used to hose down the Airbus after landing

»www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···row.html (towards the end of the article)

I thought it was some sort of welcome ceremony. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22479597 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:48:20 EDT Re: Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22479554 Styvas : Cool! Any idea why they appeared to be hosing it down after landing? I couldn't find that in the article or the video commentary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22479554 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:37:06 EDT Emirates A380 Airbus Lands in Toronto For the First Time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22479523 DKS : Full video here:

»www.thestar.com/videozone/643788

Story here:

»www.thestar.com/travel/article/643689
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