TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22487877 en Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:54:27 EDT Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:54:27 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22513009 DCIFRTHS :
said by Bit See Profile :

You should bother to read who posters are replying to.
Oops. You are right...

Never Mind -Roseanne Roseannadanna]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22513009 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:28:48 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22510190 Bit : You should bother to read who posters are replying to.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22510190 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:13:07 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22509509 DCIFRTHS :
said by Bit See Profile :

They are religious fanatics. They accuse people of not checking the facts when they obviously haven't read any of the other patents that preceded TiVo's claimed invention. TiVo stole everything and they just close their eyes and plug their ears screaming, "la la la la la la".

If you dare question the "awe inspiring greatness and perfection" that is TiVo they act as if you insulted their mother. That is what is ridiculous.
Do you think that posting such nonsense will get a rise out of me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22509509 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:14:41 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22509168 Bit : They are religious fanatics. They accuse people of not checking the facts when they obviously haven't read any of the other patents that preceded TiVo's claimed invention. TiVo stole everything and they just close their eyes and plug their ears screaming, "la la la la la la".

If you dare question the "awe inspiring greatness and perfection" that is TiVo they act as if you insulted their mother. That is what is ridiculous.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22509168 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:08:12 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22508796 KrK :
said by DCIFRTHS See Profile :

TiVo won, Dish didn't. It's nice to see that money couldn't buy justice. That's my fascination with the situation :D
You mean that money couldn't defend Justice, I'm sure.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22508796 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:23:34 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22508567 Bit : Uh huh, riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22508567 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:12:54 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22508519 DCIFRTHS : You should check your facts. I am very critical of TiVo - particularly with respect to the ads they force on me (I am a subscriber).

Sorry, but your sarcasm is not applicable in this case.

I have a different opinion than you, For some reason, you can't accept that, so you lump me into a group of people that blindly follow an inanimate object? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22508519 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:01:57 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22507008 KrK : :uhh:

Sure. Whatever you say, Bicker.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22507008 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:27:45 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506997 KrK :
said by Bit See Profile :

The patent office granted TiVo patents on what is obvious to everyone else to be prior art.
This is where Echostar screwed up. They assumed this was apparent, this technology was under development all over the place, including theirs in-house. With prior-art and obviousness, I'm sure patent issues seemed minor and solve-able. With theirs and other DVR's under development, they'd not expect problems in perfecting their own. Which they did... and then had the boom lowered on them several years later after they had them out in circulation and lots of customers used to them and loving them. (Hello Rambus). Then in court Echostar still thought they'd win because they felt the Tivo patents would be voided. So they were wrong again. No wonder they fought it all the way and I don't blame them one bit. Even though a lot of people appear to dislike Ergen, very few people can say the man is stupid. If Echostar believed that they were wrong and had no case they'd of settled and licensed years ago. They fought because it the the right thing to do. Too bad they still lost. I admire them for standing on principle rather then just taking the bean-counter way and settling.... in this case the gamble didn't pay off.

It's not over for the 2nd round of extortion payments. but at his point Dish has little to lose, because they aren't going to turn off millions of DVR's. Tivo knows this and is looking to not only win big legally, they want to force Echostar into a really big licensing agreement that will cost subscribers milllions. SO no wonder they will fight on, and hope for the patents to be voided in the future.

It is laughable that the only quarter the "inventors of the DVR" turn a decent profit is when they extort money through their patent trolling schemes. But no matter, with ever declining revenues, their source of patent trolling revenues drying up and cable operators moving toward centralized storage, TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and the TiVo thieves unemployed. THEN justice will be served.
I worry they'll move on to Media PC type systems/Slingboxes etc next as their next target.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506997 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:25:00 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506923 KrK :
said by bicker See Profile :

You can claim that they stole something all that you want, but you'd still be wrong.
Yes, yes, you are. When you say Echostar stole from Tivo.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506923 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:09:44 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506402 Bit : You TiVo fanboys are too funny. Read the patents genius. Read the Gemstar and EPG patents. TiVo didn't invent anything. They stole all of it from the REAL innovators in the industry. You can ignore these very simple, obvious facts and continue lying about TiVo innovation all you want. TiVo lawyers certainly have no trouble lying for them either but it doesn't change the simple undeniable fact that TiVo didn't invent ANYTHING.

You not seeing a problem with patent trolls like TiVo gaming our hugely flawed patent system is your business, but that isn't justice by any stretch of the imagination. Oh, the court says so...yeah, cause judges and juries never screw up...just ask O.J. Oh, cause the patent office says so, just ask IBM who was granted a scroll bar patent in 1995, when every GUI based OS and nearly every application already had it and had it for a decade.

The patent office granted TiVo patents on what is obvious to everyone else to be prior art. Then the idiots on the jury are instructed to determine whether or not Dish violated a patent that should never have been granted in the first place. Then we are expected to have the same patent office that screwed up in the first place, admit that they screwed up and reverse themselves...after allowing this scam to continue for years. Uh huh. Our patent system is a farce, endlessly gamed by patent trolls and thieves like TiVo.

It is laughable that the only quarter the "inventors of the DVR" turn a decent profit is when they extort money through their patent trolling schemes. But no matter, with ever declining revenues, their source of patent trolling revenues drying up and cable operators moving toward centralized storage, TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and the TiVo thieves unemployed. THEN justice will be served.

News to the TiVo zealots...TiVo is not a religion and you don't have to endlessly excuse their IP theft and patent trolling.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506402 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:48:43 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506259 bicker : You can claim that they stole something all that you want, but you'd still be wrong. You're not the judge. The judge is the judge. Justice as spoken, and your perspective lost. Get over it. And get over yourself. Just because people believe something different from your own personal opinion doesn't make them fanboys -- are you a Dish Network fanboy? Is that why you're lying repeatedly in this thread about TiVo?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506259 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:55:53 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506199 Bit : As if TiVo stealing the work of others, patenting it as their own and then suing everyone is justice. They are patent trolls, not innovators.

Note to the TiVo fanboys, TiVo isn't a religion. They did not invent simultaneous recording and playback or doing it with a hard drive. They did not invent the on screen guide. They did not invent on screen navigation. They did not even invent picking recordings from an on screen guide. They did not invent searching for programs based on criteria. They were not even first to market with their box. TiVo did not invent anything that their box does. It was ALL prior art, some of which patented prior art.

They are technology leeches who have exploited flaws in our patent system to their advantage then like every patent troll outfit, seek to extort money from other companies. Of course like many here, juries are too stupid to follow any of this. If it don't fit, you must acquit.

Enjoy your victory. TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and all of these injustices will be righted.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506199 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:30:44 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506181 Bit : TiVo didn't invent anything, they just stole it from everyone else. And before you start barfing up that the patent office gave them the patent on this prior art remember they also game IBM a scroll bar patent in 1995 and the trademark office granted dispair.com a registration for ":-(". Our patent system is a joke.

You are right, there was no justice here.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22506181 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:24:59 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505953 bicker : You evidently don't know anything about justice. It sounds to me that you equate justice with things going your way. :rolleyes:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505953 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:53:03 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505913 DCIFRTHS :
said by KrK See Profile :

Explain your excessive fascination with Ergen. You certainly seem to hate the man with a passion.
TiVo won, Dish didn't. It's nice to see that money couldn't buy justice. That's my fascination with the situation :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505913 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:01:28 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505781 DCIFRTHS : Deleted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505781 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:37:40 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505675 KrK : Explain your excessive fascination with Ergen. You certainly seem to hate the man with a passion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505675 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:21:36 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505672 KrK : Stop trying to confuse him with the truth. He's either a Dish hater, or a Tivo fanboi, or both. He doesn't care about the injustice, he just likes the result.

"Dish copied Tivo". What a joke.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22505672 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:19:57 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22504001 Bit : I said they got a new patent (vs licensing) for their guide. It was a good chunk of their "interface" patent 6757906.

Lots of the elements TiVo was granted a patent for in their interface patent were all prior art, previously patented by Gemstar or even the 1985 EPG patent and I'm sure many others.

And this wouldn't be the first time the PO handed out a patent on prior art as IBM got one for the scroll bar in 1995 when obvious to everyone, the scroll bar had long existed, including in Windows 3.1.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22504001 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:25:32 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22503662 DCIFRTHS :
said by Bit See Profile :

No, then they would have merely paid licensing fees or purchased Gemstar's patent, not have been granted a new patent with a new number for the exact same thing.
That's what I said.

I'm not sure where I posted that TiVo was issued a new patent for the TV Guide Spreadsheet. If I did, I was wrong. Please quote me, so I can correct it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22503662 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:12:37 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22500231 Bit : No, then they would have merely paid licensing fees or purchased Gemstar's patent, not have been granted a new patent with a new number for the exact same thing.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22500231 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:56:38 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22500226 Bit : Because our patent system is a joke and allows someone who adds background animation to obvious prior art to get a patent on it. Just ask IBM who was granted a scroll bar patent in 1995, when virually every GUI had already long had it including Windows 3.x

Then you have it tried in front of a bunch of postal workers who haven't a clue as to what they are hearing. They just think that TiVo was the first DVR and switch everything else off. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit".

The PO is reexamining yet again whether TiVo's patents are valid, but getting the organization who screwed up in the first place to admit that after all this money was spend in litigation that they screwed up won't be easy.

Plain and simple, TiVo did not invent the DVR nor did they invent anything in it including the GUI, content linking, simultaneous recording and playback, none of it. They didn't even invent picking an onscreen program to record. They weren't even first to market. Even if they managed to be the first to get a patent on it, that just leaves us with a users keepers losers weepers system that decimates innovation and rewards thieves who exploit the real patented work of others. Our patent system is a joke and then relies on idiot jurors who make sense of it. That is a recipie for epic fail.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22500226 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:55:58 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22499444 DCIFRTHS :
said by pandora See Profile :

OK,
I believe you. Why didn't Charlie bring this stuff up in court? 200 million dollars is going to hurt Dish, but its really going to hurt Dish customers who eventually have to pay it.
I believe that "Charlie's" lawyers used every tactic available to them, including ignoring a ruling by the judge, but still lost.

When you run your business by stealing copying intimidating throwing around your weight, and the little guy just happens kick your ass anyway, you have to pay the price.

Unfortunately, this may affect Dish customers, but it certainly won't impact Charles "Charlie" Ergen "...the 89th richest person in the world with a net worth of $9.1 Billion."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22499444 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:21:33 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22499357 DCIFRTHS :
said by Bit See Profile :

You should actually bother to read some of TiVo's patents, like their TV viewer interface patent 6757906 which is absolutely prior art (EPG 4751578 from 1985). TiVo in their patent laid claim to on screen guides, searching, selection and control, all of which are patented prior art. TiVo ads some background animation to the EPG patent and claimed it as their own and the PTO bought it hook line and sinker. A "more/next" arrow, what an innovation...never saw one of those before 1997. Gemstar (formerly Starsight) has similar patents from 1995 for interactive on screen menuing including scrolling and searching based on program characteristics, etc. They also had PiP and contextual linking within the guide. Hell the 1994-1995 Samsung Starsight enabled VCR could do most of what TiVo shows in their GUI patent.

Same goes for simultaneous recording and playback, TiVo didn't invent it.

TiVo didn't invent crap and the PTO screwed up granting patents for prior art as they frequently do.
... and TiVo had to strike a deal with Gemstar aka TV Guide Inc. (who has that AMAZING patent for using a spreadsheet to view TV shows :uhh: ). Gemstar had the patent, and TiVo had to concede. This is the way it works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22499357 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:49:44 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22498890 pandora : OK,
I believe you. Why didn't Charlie bring this stuff up in court? 200 million dollars is going to hurt Dish, but its really going to hurt Dish customers who eventually have to pay it.
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Same goes for simultaneous recording and playback, TiVo didn't invent it.

TiVo didn't invent crap and the PTO screwed up granting patents for prior art as they frequently do.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22498114 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:26:50 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22498079 KrK : Oh FFS. Whatever, your agenda is right, blah blah.

Simple fact: Echostar didn't steal Tivo's code, period.

The Tivo patent is based on pre-existing work.
There were other DVR's besides Tivo's in development, including Echostar's concurrently

IMHO the patent shouldn't be granted in the first place, but it was, so it's a moot point.... but I'll be damned if I let myths and lies slide by as if they were historical fact.

It doesn't affect the outcome, but the outcome is just as unjust now as it was then. Believe what you wish, but pardon me for not supporting an injustice when I see it.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22498079 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:20:20 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22498005 bicker :
said by KrK See Profile :

Instead of patenting the method, they have patents on the concepts or very ideas.
Incorrect. You seem to need to read up on what you're talking about before you post.

said by KrK See Profile :

But that doesn't mean it's a just ruling. It's just a legal one.
The perfect rationalization for whatever you want to be right is to just say that your way is the only "just" way. How incredibly self-serving. And utterly ridiculous. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22498005 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:06:18 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497982 KrK : Yeah, but it doesn't make them right.

Firstly, Dish WAS developing their own DVR prior to the much ballyhooed "Tivo demos." In fact, I remember they were working with Microsoft at the time. MS briefly promoted their "Ultimate TV" box but quickly withdrew it or cancelled it. I remember Echostar got with MS and had them develop software.

Engineers testified at the trial that the Echostar DVR's were not based on Tivo's hardware or software but on inhouse developed code.

It really doesn't matter, what it all boils down to is Tivo won patents and then the features Echostar was using *were* infringing on those patents, so they win. However it bugs me when people say it's "Stolen" or "copied" and that the judgements are deserved. They're legal, alright, but hardly "fair". There's a reason DirecTV bought up ReplayTV's patent portfolio. It becomes a shield against Tivo. Personally I think the Tivo patents are overly broad in scope and patent not just a method but a concept or idea, and they they were granted while prior art or at least co-developing DVR's were clearly evident. Some of the patents they have also seem to seriously violate the "Obviousness" of extensions of existing technology.

So, heads, Tivo wins, tails, Echostar loses. But that doesn't mean it's a just ruling. It's just a legal one.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497982 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:02:26 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497964 Bit : Yeah, 'cause juries and judges always get it right, just as O.J.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497964 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:58:39 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497962 Bit : Just like patenting prior art is the "right" thing to do?
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497962 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:58:11 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497961 Bit : I'll invent a device that records desired shows by voice. I don't actually have to figure out how the whole voice recognition things works or anything. I'll wait for a REAL company to work that out, let them deploy it for a few years, then sue them for patent infringement.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497961 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:57:54 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497880 DCIFRTHS :
said by KrK See Profile :

That's not what happened, and everybody knows it.

It's easy to say they just copied everything.
Apparently the judge, and jury, don't agree with you...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497880 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:39:15 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497650 KrK : That's not what happened, and everybody knows it.

It's easy to say they just copied everything. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497650 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:48:11 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497647 KrK :
said by fifty nine See Profile :

Don't like it, go invent your own technology.
That's the problem. Instead of patenting the method, they have patents on the concepts or very ideas.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22497647 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:47:12 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494181 bicker : Yes, perhaps... now paying for the value that they have been benefiting from for many years. It is a shame that Echostar chose to pursue a path that delayed that assessment from the people who should have paid it (their customers of past years) requiring it to be placed as a burden on their current customers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494181 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:25:43 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494157 DCIFRTHS :
said by KrK See Profile :

The whole case is BS in the first place, and having Echostar over a barrel because they couldn't just turn everybody's PVR's off.
Yeah. Echostar stealing from another company is the right thing to do. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494157 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:02:06 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494132 dvd536 : Looks like DISH subs get to enjoy another line item unfee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494132 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:40:39 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22493177 fifty nine :
said by KrK See Profile :

Nonsense. Another Tivo Fanboi.... or one of those Dish haters.

I still own my ReplayTV and showstopper, and am very familar with the details of these cases and DVR patents.

Tivo is acting like another Rambus.
That doesn't matter.

They own the patents so they can make the profit.

Don't like it, go invent your own technology.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22493177 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:12:31 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22492245 KrK : Nonsense. Another Tivo Fanboi.... or one of those Dish haters.

I still own my ReplayTV and showstopper, and am very familar with the details of these cases and DVR patents.

Tivo is acting like another Rambus.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22492245 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:38:09 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22491713 bicker : Actually, the defense was what was BS. Did you even read up on the case?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22491713 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:05:58 EDT Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22490235 KrK : The whole case is BS in the first place, and having Echostar over a barrel because they couldn't just turn everybody's PVR's off.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22490235 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:14:20 EDT TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487877 bicker : That's one way to make profit. :)

Good for them! I suspect that the "damages" is actually higher that what licensing would have cost, if Echostar just licensed the technology from TiVo. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487877 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:01:15 EDT