kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
1 edit | Nope
They'll try, the greedy providers, to sustain their unrealistic revenue growth projections and to try and prop up their failing stock prices which will plummet once investors in companies like AT&T realize they have no next-gen deployment plan like Verizon and its FTTP. But it will fail.
Bandwidth has become a cheap commodity. There's more bandwidth available and fewer buyers willing to buy it. Supply vs. demand....the numbers don't favor the ISPs.
It's funny that they're claiming supply/demand thing to justify their greed....claiming that there's more demand due to bandwidth hungry apps....simply not true.
Try as you might TW, Comcast and AT&T, you will not succeed long-term in gouging consumers.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by kapil  :... Try as you might TW, Comcast and AT&T, you will not succeed long-term in gouging consumers. Unfortunately, they will unless congress does something to stop them.
With the lack of competition, there is nothing to moderate price increases because customers have no other choice in a lot of cases. I can only get broadband thru comcast; if they decide to implement low caps and throttle and all that other stuff, my choice is grin and bear it or have no broadband. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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said by kapil :Try as you might TW, Comcast and AT&T, you will not succeed long-term in gouging consumers. Nope. They forget MS, Sony, Amazon, Google and Netflix among others are trying to make money off digital downloading and online video and caps hurt that. Do they think they can mess with those guys and get away with it? Doesn't Sony own A LOT of content? It would suck if they told all the cable companies they weren't allowed to show any of that content anymore now would it?
MS just announce 1080p movies and full game downloads for XBL. How are you going to get people to rent a 1080p movie when they have a 40 GB cap and $1 or more per GB overage. a 720p movie is about 6 GB so that makes a 1080p movie what 12-15 GB? XBOX 360 games run about 7-9 GB. How do you get people to buy games if they're going to pay an extra $8 for the game because of some cap?
Don't Google and Amazon own a lot of pipe? Did it ever occur to the cable guys at some point in the future it may be necessary to have access to that? Be funny if they were told NO. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| reply to kapil
Unfortunately, as there are few alternatives, (eg. in a TWC/AT&T area - they are 'it' ).
If both carriers promote bandwidth billing, who will stop them.
No other carrier is out there building infrastructure (Covad / Sonic or Clearwire) - Its basically collusion. I still tip my hat to those that are fighting against it (i.e. Verizon / Frontier)
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jt7
@comcast.net | reply to kapil
comcast has not said anything aboue charging people by usage. please read this carefully . it said tw could do what comcast is doing putting a really high cap on the service and if you go over they ask you to sign up for business services. |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| That's what Comcast wants you think. They've hired some really shrewd PR people...and apparently the image makeover is working. But at its core, it's still the same old anti-consumer company it always was.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to kapil
my understanding about the Comcast cap is the likelyhood of getting a Nastygram also depends on your Node, if its low usage suburban and you dont impact the other customers you are less likely to get one then say if you are on a high density node in downtown Philly.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to BF69
Sony likes the old way of doing things (cable video etc.). However Netflix et al might show some nice muscle. "Sorry, you can't use YouTube because it might go over your cap. Please switch internet providers." Heheheh. |
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baineschile
2600
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to kapil
when you lease a car, you buy miles; and if you go over the alotted miles, you get charged per mile.
i dont see how thats any different, other than broadband has been all you can eat since its inception. |
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tosu23
@utoronto.ca
| said by baineschile :when you lease a car, you buy miles; and if you go over the alotted miles, you get charged per mile. i dont see how thats any different, other than broadband has been all you can eat since its inception. Except when I lease a car, I can put my whole family of 6 in the car and we all get use in those same miles.
Not 25 gigs cut up between 6 people... Could you imagine that being written into your lease? |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
Premium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo
1 edit | reply to baineschile
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PaulHikeS2
join:2003-03-06
Merrimack, NH
·Comcast
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said by kapil :That's what Comcast wants you think. They've hired some really shrewd PR people...and apparently the image makeover is working. But at its core, it's still the same old anti-consumer company it always was. It's not about what you or I think, but what they are actually doing. People used to complain about the "secret cap" and wanted it spelled out. Under legal pressure, Comcast has spelled it out and apparently it affects very few users, even on this site. No overage charges and not a peep about usage based billing.
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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said by baineschile :when you lease a car, you buy miles; and if you go over the alotted miles, you get charged per mile. i dont see how thats any different, other than broadband has been all you can eat since its inception. I rent cars frequently. I haven't rented a car by the miles in ages. Like over a decade. It's now unlimited miles everywhere I rent. |
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WileEC
mindtaker, macky cat, etc.
join:2002-02-07
Yonkers, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
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said by baineschile :when you lease a car, you buy miles; and if you go over the alotted miles, you get charged per mile. i dont see how thats any different, other than broadband has been all you can eat since its inception. What a dumb analogy.
Car leases are based directly on the projected residual value for a given vehicle as it will be after a predetermined length of time and a specific maximum mileage amount as agreed upon ahead of time by all parties involved in the lease. Of course they charge you for mileage overages as additional mileage accumulation outside of the amount originally agreed upon would further reduce a vehicle's residual value and there must be compensation for that. Without a mileage limit and overage charges, an auto lease would be an impractical agreement.
There is no parallel to broadband. Not even close. |
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idosha
@verizon.net
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Leasing is retarded. So are caps and usage-billing. I say if your unhappy about what these companies are doing and they are the only choice then kick them out of your town so there's none. At that point a new company will move in. Anarchy is needed at some point ; ) |
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babystars_13
join:2009-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to kapil
Verizon is a joke now I will never use them again for ANYTHING including Wireless. |
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baineschile
2600
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to tosu23
You or your whole family could drive that car and use its mileage, and it counts towards the total mileage. You are way off |
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baineschile
2600
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to WileEC
The analogy is the exact same, just the details and dates are different. You buy a certain amount of a variable (bandwidth, miles) for a certain amount of time (1 month, 24 months), and if you go over you are charged per. |
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albundyhere
join:2000-10-26
New York, NY
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said by baineschile :when you lease a car, you buy miles; and if you go over the alotted miles, you get charged per mile. i dont see how thats any different, other than broadband has been all you can eat since its inception. your statement is dangerously misleading. With a car, you also have the option to buy it, not just lease it. I dont have the option of buying my internets. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to nasadude
Congress does not have the right to butt their asses into these private businesses.
You are free to start up your own ISP and compete just like anyone else on this board. Instead of asking for more control you should be asking for money to build YOUR OWN ISP and give the people want they want. Unlimited 1gig by 1gig internet for $10 per month. |
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