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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Stupid article "Studies continually show that users who pirate content via BitTorrent also buy more content than regular users."
Does this even make sense? Now if I said to you that shoplifters bought more stuff at wal-mart than non-shoplifters would you think that made sense? Would wal-mart let people start shoplifting? No. If I'm the type of person that downloads stuff of BitTorrent then WHY would I ever pay? Why would I steal some stuff and not others? The author of this article is talking out of his ass. | | |
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 sivranBack to Opera againPremium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
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| Because... you liked it? ('lo anime, NFSMW) Maybe you wanted an actual physical copy? Maybe a slightly better quality copy? In the case of movies, one that would work on any old dvd player without the hassle of authoring it yourself? Wanted a legit copy of a game to play online without worries, or use legitimate patches on? ('lo AVP2, Fallout 3)
With the volume of shit that is pumped out by the entertainment industry, piracy becomes a necessity to find the rare gem worth buying.
So, in answer to your question: of course it makes sense.
Besides, didn't you ever see that old "Don't Copy That Floppy!" video? If no one buys, there'd be nothing left to pirate! 
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by sivran:Because... you liked it? ('lo anime, NFSMW) Maybe you wanted an actual physical copy? Maybe a slightly better quality copy? In the case of movies, one that would work on any old dvd player without the hassle of authoring it yourself? Wanted a legit copy of a game to play online without worries, or use legitimate patches on? ('lo AVP2, Fallout 3) With the volume of shit that is pumped out by the entertainment industry, piracy becomes a necessity to find the rare gem worth buying. So, in answer to your question: of course it makes sense. Besides, didn't you ever see that old "Don't Copy That Floppy!" video? If no one buys, there'd be nothing left to pirate! Do you watch porn? How many porn sites memberships have you actually purchased? Or do you just get it free. | |
 pogPremium
join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI
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said by BF69:Now if I said to you that shoplifters bought more stuff at wal-mart than non-shoplifters would you think that made sense? Would wal-mart let people start shoplifting? Shoplifting involves the loss of finite, physical goods... an actual cost to the store. OTOH, digital content is in infinite supply and, when "pirated", carries no cost to the owner. So... whether or not Walmart would let people shoplift has no meaning here.
The last part of what you wrote is important, though. Yes, there are lots of people that download stuff and never buy anything. The article is saying that there are also lots of people that aren't total cockroaches! The stats are talking about both groups combined. Whether you should believe these numbers or not is debatable.
Why would I steal some stuff and not others? That's not what's happening. A lot of people consider it previewing... it they like it, they buy it. If they don't like it, they delete and move on.
I don't see anything morally wrong with this... too many times I've been burned by total crap that's not at all how it was made out to be. Now the pendulum has swung to the other extreme.
Personally, I'm probably worse news for the RIAA/MPAA than those pesky "pirates" out there. I'm among the group that more and more doesn't care about their product at all... free or paid.
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by pog:Shoplifting involves the loss of finite, physical goods... an actual cost to the store. OTOH, digital content is in infinite supply and, when "pirated", carries no cost to the owner. So... whether or not Walmart would let people shoplift has no meaning here. What if wal-mart had digital downloads of movie available via kiosk in the store and you knew way to hack into it and get your content for free. Is it ok to do? There wouldn't be any physical loss to wal-mart then.
or how about I to sneak into the theater through the backdoor? Isn't that the same thing as what you're doing? There isn't any loss of a physical product. And don't say I'm taking up a seat. What if the theater is mostly empty. The owner can't lose revenue on a seat that wouldn't have gotten sold anyways. And don't say buying some food and drink help makes up for that not buying a ticket. Let's say I don't buy any snacks. Is it ok for me to sneak into a theater? No of course not. Even though there isn't any loss of a physical product.
The last part of what you wrote is important, though. Yes, there are lots of people that download stuff and never buy anything. The article is saying that there are also lots of people that aren't total cockroaches! The stats are talking about both groups combined. Whether you should believe these numbers or not is debatable. Look at WHO is putting out that data.
I don't see anything morally wrong with this... too many times I've been burned by total crap that's not at all how it was made out to be. You can choose NOT to go to the movies. The when the movie studios ask the theater owners why no one is coming they can tell them their products are crap. THEN they'll get it. When you illegally download a movie it tells the movie studios that their movie must be in high demand. So when the box office suffers it's not because that the movie sucked but because of pirates in their minds. You see they didn't get the point that the movie was crap. So if your intention is to "teach" the studios a lesson it's not going to work. You're having the opposite effect.
The fact is people like you are BIASED because you do these activities. So of course your opinion is most likely to be wrong. I am UNBIASED. I don't own a theater or work for a studio. I have no financial stake in any media company. So I am UNBIASED. And only an UNBIASED person can come to a RATIONAL conclusion. My opinion is base don LOGIC and REASONING. Your opinion is based on what you LIKE to do. You like illegal downloading so you HAVE to justify it. I have more respect for the pirates that ADMIT what they are doing is wrong, they just don't a fuck. People that come up with EXCUSES are lame. Why not just admit "Hey I steal, it's wrong, I just don't care" | |
wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
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Maineville, OH | If you sneak into the theater, you are trespassing on private property, which makes it wrong. They were still running the movie, and suffered no loss by your attendance.
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to BF69
said by BF69:said by sivran:Because... you liked it? ('lo anime, NFSMW) Maybe you wanted an actual physical copy? Maybe a slightly better quality copy? In the case of movies, one that would work on any old dvd player without the hassle of authoring it yourself? Wanted a legit copy of a game to play online without worries, or use legitimate patches on? ('lo AVP2, Fallout 3) With the volume of shit that is pumped out by the entertainment industry, piracy becomes a necessity to find the rare gem worth buying. So, in answer to your question: of course it makes sense. Besides, didn't you ever see that old "Don't Copy That Floppy!" video? If no one buys, there'd be nothing left to pirate! Do you watch porn? How many porn sites memberships have you actually purchased? Or do you just get it free. I have memberships at pay sites - thing is I was a member long before they went to the pay membership scheme and was grandfathered in - for FREE! 
Then there are all the quality free porn sites out there.
What does this have to do with MPAA hosing *US* with crap we cannot preview before paying for?
Buy it, no likey? Tough shitsky? Bite me! 
Don't keep apologizing for the cartels... it's getting old friend.
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pogPremium
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said by BF69:What if wal-mart had digital downloads of movie available via kiosk in the store and you knew way to hack into it and get your content for free. Is it ok to do? There wouldn't be any physical loss to wal-mart then. Still not a good analogy... access to the kiosk is a finite resource.
or how about I to sneak into the theater through the backdoor? Isn't that the same thing as what you're doing? Actually, it's not what I'm doing. I just don't see a problem with file sharing.
There isn't any loss of a physical product. And don't say I'm taking up a seat. What if the theater is mostly empty. The owner can't lose revenue on a seat that wouldn't have gotten sold anyways. And don't say buying some food and drink help makes up for that not buying a ticket. Let's say I don't buy any snacks. Is it ok for me to sneak into a theater? No of course not. Even though there isn't any loss of a physical product. You are taking up a seat. You are using theater resources. You are on private property. You are trespassing and you can be arrested and charged with a crime.
You can choose NOT to go to the movies. The when the movie studios ask the theater owners why no one is coming they can tell them their products are crap. THEN they'll get it. When you illegally download a movie it tells the movie studios that their movie must be in high demand. So when the box office suffers it's not because that the movie sucked but because of pirates in their minds. You see they didn't get the point that the movie was crap. So if your intention is to "teach" the studios a lesson it's not going to work. You're having the opposite effect. I do choose not to go to the movies. Personally, I also do not see telesyncs as worthwhile alternatives. They work as extended "previews" but the quality is crap and, if the movie is worth watching, it's best to (yes) buy a movie ticket or wait for blueray/dvd.
The fact is people like you are BIASED because you do these activities. So of course your opinion is most likely to be wrong. I am UNBIASED. I don't own a theater or work for a studio. I have no financial stake in any media company. So I am UNBIASED. And only an UNBIASED person can come to a RATIONAL conclusion. My opinion is base don LOGIC and REASONING. Your opinion is based on what you LIKE to do. You like illegal downloading so you HAVE to justify it. I have more respect for the pirates that ADMIT what they are doing is wrong, they just don't a fuck. People that come up with EXCUSES are lame. Why not just admit "Hey I steal, it's wrong, I just don't care"
No one, including you, is unbiased. It's simply not possible. You may not have a financial stake in any of this but your preconceptions are evident. How so? Easy to spot... you build all your arguments backwards, starting with your predetermined conclusion and then pulling in whatever premises you think will work. Yeah, that's the definition of unbiased. LOL!
Another indicator that you are, in fact, biased is that you can't seem to break "piracy" down at all. To you, all who engage in "it" do so equally and in the same ways. All are lumped together in your mind. There is, after all, a full spectrum here but you seem to think that if you can get agreement that one type of "piracy" is wrong that you can then say "aha! so you admit it's all wrong".
Your opinion, in the end, is based on what you don't LIKE other people to do. Thanks for caring! But you miss the biggest part of the picture... practicality.
It's clearly impractical to prevent/curtail copying... that horse is out of the barn. The conversation can move towards monetizing things differently without the parties involved having to agree on morality issues. IOW, you could maintain your position and still discuss new solutions. You choose not to, of course.
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