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1 edit | said by sirwoogie  :...we can believe in. Oh, never seen that one before. You're clever! 
While this pisses me off to no end, if you thought every single thing in Washington was going to change, you (not you specifically) are a fool. A lot has changed and a lot already is changing, but unfortunately this didn't and I hope the EFF is able to win this battle.
Psst, the judge who dismissed it was appointed by Bushie the 1st: »www.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=2483 |
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Buffalo, NY | Yeah, I'm not happy about this one (understatement), but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Which is undoubtedly changing for the better. I haven't taken an in-depth look at these cases yet, but I really believe that this was just plain wrong. |
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said by Matt : A lot has changed and a lot already is changing Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change. |
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Matt
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| said by jester121 :said by Matt : A lot has changed and a lot already is changing Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change. You see what you want to see. If you don't want to see any, you won't. If you look at the educational, scientific, economic, and worldwide perception changes that have taken place already, you might have a different perspective. |
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said by expert007 :Yeah, I'm not happy about this one (understatement), but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Translated:I'm not going to make the same stink over it that I would if it were Bush we're talking about.
The severity of the crime depends on who's committing it, after all.
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Things have changed.. some for the better, some for the worse. |
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|  said by en102 :Things have changed.. some for the better, some for the worse. I think that is a very fair and open-minded assessment of the situation. |
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said by sirwoogie :...we can believe in. Yes We Can! |
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I have to agree with that... |
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Wow... cranky. It's a pessimistic post... get used to it.
Things have changed for the worse overall, not better. While I agree that certain perceptions from the world have changed, the important ones have not. Fortunately, the current president isn't a bumbling idiot as the previous one was. Yes, Obama hasn't shown much to be encouraged about:
• Absolutely no course change on hiding the fact of spying on Americans (e.g. this topic).
• Not punishing those that ordered or performed torture. Most especially for using your own Justice department to increase the pressure to close all cases that relate to this (e.g. photos, trials in California, etc.).
• A veiled attempt to close Guantanamo while simultaneously further the use of a camp in Afghanistan.
• Continuing the bailout of industries and corporate entities. Downright becoming a dictator with respect to automotive companies.
• Encouraging (in fact threatening... "we don't get it passed this year, it'll never pass") a completely socialistic health care program.
and so on. I agree, he has done some good things. But when you have nowhere to go but up, that doesn't necessarily translate into success. Also, don't use the excuse of "give him time." He's had time to do things, and the things he has done have made it worse for Americans overall. |
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| Again, I don't view all the things you've mentioned in the same light as you. I could go bullet-point by bullet-point and offer my counter-points, but in politics, opinions (and facts) rarely change the views of others.
So, I'll leave it with this -- I completely disagree with you. |
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said by Matt :You see what you want to see. If you don't want to see any, you won't. If you look at the educational, scientific, economic, and worldwide perception changes that have taken place already, you might have a different perspective. Not really. I don't go in much for touchy-feely when it comes to observing government action. I see insane amounts of spending, campaign promises broken on a near daily basis, shocking hypocricy and cowardly pandering, and a power grab by the federal government that we may never recover from. A lot more of the worst of the previous administration, none of the good, and a lot that I never imagined we'd see.
And "worldwide perception" isn't a metric I care much about -- after today's speech it's pretty clear that Isreal is going to have little choice but to send a little present to Iran to try to prevent or delay their own destruction, since the CIC isn't going to lift a finger.
Anyhow, this has gotten pretty off topic for DSLR's news page.  |
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expert007
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Check your instant messages Spanky, I don't take kindly to others "translating" my posts. Have a nice day. |
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Health care socialist?
said by sirwoogie :• Encouraging (in fact threatening... "we don't get it passed this year, it'll never pass") a completely socialistic health care program. We already have socialized health care. Public law sets quality standards for goods and services higher than a truly "free market" would produce. The result is that those who can't afford this artificially (socially) created market are threatened with prison if they attempt to purchase lessor medical services from someone who isn't duly licensed by *the* medical association. Or, tries to purchase lessor products (like medicine) from a neighbor who makes it in their bathtub.
I'm not necessarily saying we should have a truly "lassez faire," market-driven health care system. But, it's creative to say that what we have now isn't socialized.
IMO, what we have to today is incredibly perverse. We limit health care choices for the poor. We deny them the opportunity to purchase inferior goods and services if that's all they can afford. We do this so everyone else's "market-based" choices will be easier. (Their "market" outcomes more predictable than if they had to perform their own due diligence in a wild, raw, "free" market of willing buyers and willing sellers.). And then, when it's suggested that this is essentially a *wealth transfer* from the poor (denying them a market of willing buyers and sellers which would exist in a free market), we're told that anyone who would suggest this is a *socialist.*
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Right-Wing Socialism Argument - The Reality |
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Re: Change
said by jester121 :Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change. Explain how that's changed from the previous administration. Oh, it hasn't. Oh in fact the waste and spending you talk about is largely to help fix the mess that was made.
Also, there's another saying "You find what you're looking for."
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| said by KrK :said by jester121 :Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change. Explain how that's changed from the previous administration. Oh, it hasn't. Oh in fact the waste and spending you talk about is largely to help fix the mess that was made. I bolded the 2 important words that apparently you missed. Got it now?
None of the trillions in spending is going to do anything to "fix" the mess; it's going to drastically increase the size of the government and its debt, and saddle future generations with it. It's nothing new and it's not a (R) or (D) issue. It's just wrong. |
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Re: Health care socialist?
said by Matt :The socialism argument always makes me laugh. Percentage of American corporations that the government is entitled to own: 0%. No graph needed. |
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| said by jester121 :Percentage of American corporations that the government is entitled to own: 0%. No graph needed. Hardly entitled. Paid for them. Way overpaid for them, actually, to stop them from dying off.
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