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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
reply to Matt3

Re: Change

said by Matt3:

A lot has changed and a lot already is changing
Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change.


Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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Jamestown, NC
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said by jester121:

said by Matt3:

A lot has changed and a lot already is changing
Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change.
You see what you want to see. If you don't want to see any, you won't. If you look at the educational, scientific, economic, and worldwide perception changes that have taken place already, you might have a different perspective.


en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

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Things have changed.. some for the better, some for the worse.


Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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Jamestown, NC
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said by en102:

Things have changed.. some for the better, some for the worse.
I think that is a very fair and open-minded assessment of the situation.

barn25

join:2005-11-17
Springfield, IL
I have to agree with that...


jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
reply to Matt3
said by Matt3:

You see what you want to see. If you don't want to see any, you won't. If you look at the educational, scientific, economic, and worldwide perception changes that have taken place already, you might have a different perspective.
Not really. I don't go in much for touchy-feely when it comes to observing government action. I see insane amounts of spending, campaign promises broken on a near daily basis, shocking hypocricy and cowardly pandering, and a power grab by the federal government that we may never recover from. A lot more of the worst of the previous administration, none of the good, and a lot that I never imagined we'd see.

And "worldwide perception" isn't a metric I care much about -- after today's speech it's pretty clear that Isreal is going to have little choice but to send a little present to Iran to try to prevent or delay their own destruction, since the CIC isn't going to lift a finger.

Anyhow, this has gotten pretty off topic for DSLR's news page.


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to jester121
said by jester121:

Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change.
Explain how that's changed from the previous administration. Oh, it hasn't. Oh in fact the waste and spending you talk about is largely to help fix the mess that was made.

Also, there's another saying "You find what you're looking for."
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini


jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
said by KrK:

said by jester121:

Other than even more government spending and waste, I haven't seen much change.
Explain how that's changed from the previous administration. Oh, it hasn't. Oh in fact the waste and spending you talk about is largely to help fix the mess that was made.
I bolded the 2 important words that apparently you missed. Got it now?

None of the trillions in spending is going to do anything to "fix" the mess; it's going to drastically increase the size of the government and its debt, and saddle future generations with it. It's nothing new and it's not a (R) or (D) issue. It's just wrong.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by jester121:

It's nothing new and it's not a (R) or (D) issue. It's just wrong.
Its the 2 party system issue. Either way one of the 2 win, and if you bribe both.....

republic != democracy

the US republic is a monarchy of lords who elect their puppet king

remember a true federal republic usually turns into a low level civil war as members of the federation take their states rights to the limit, thats the closest you can get to a democracy in a federal republic


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to jester121
said by jester121:

None of the trillions in spending is going to do anything to "fix" the mess; it's going to drastically increase the size of the government and its debt, and saddle future generations with it. It's nothing new and it's not a (R) or (D) issue. It's just wrong.
Actually, I think the staved off a disaster with this spending. Yes, I know it's a disaster we had to do this, but I believe had they NOT done this, out entire economy would have collapsed and we'd be living under marshal law right now.

You may find this video interesting. Listen to the angry caller at first, and then the reply. But the important part comes about 2:20 or so into the video. Listen to what he says about a global run on our banks.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMu1mFao3w

--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini