TiVo Wins Another Echostar Patent Ruling > TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar

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Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar

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I believe you. Why didn't Charlie bring this stuff up in court? 200 million dollars is going to hurt Dish, but its really going to hurt Dish customers who eventually have to pay it.
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Because our patent system is a joke and allows someone who adds background animation to obvious prior art to get a patent on it. Just ask IBM who was granted a scroll bar patent in 1995, when virually every GUI had already long had it including Windows 3.x

Then you have it tried in front of a bunch of postal workers who haven't a clue as to what they are hearing. They just think that TiVo was the first DVR and switch everything else off. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit".

The PO is reexamining yet again whether TiVo's patents are valid, but getting the organization who screwed up in the first place to admit that after all this money was spend in litigation that they screwed up won't be easy.

Plain and simple, TiVo did not invent the DVR nor did they invent anything in it including the GUI, content linking, simultaneous recording and playback, none of it. They didn't even invent picking an onscreen program to record. They weren't even first to market. Even if they managed to be the first to get a patent on it, that just leaves us with a users keepers losers weepers system that decimates innovation and rewards thieves who exploit the real patented work of others. Our patent system is a joke and then relies on idiot jurors who make sense of it. That is a recipie for epic fail.
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No, then they would have merely paid licensing fees or purchased Gemstar's patent, not have been granted a new patent with a new number for the exact same thing.
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I said they got a new patent (vs licensing) for their guide. It was a good chunk of their "interface" patent 6757906.

Lots of the elements TiVo was granted a patent for in their interface patent were all prior art, previously patented by Gemstar or even the 1985 EPG patent and I'm sure many others.

And this wouldn't be the first time the PO handed out a patent on prior art as IBM got one for the scroll bar in 1995 when obvious to everyone, the scroll bar had long existed, including in Windows 3.1.
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Stop trying to confuse him with the truth. He's either a Dish hater, or a Tivo fanboi, or both. He doesn't care about the injustice, he just likes the result.

"Dish copied Tivo". What a joke.
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Explain your excessive fascination with Ergen. You certainly seem to hate the man with a passion.

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You evidently don't know anything about justice. It sounds to me that you equate justice with things going your way. :rolleyes:

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TiVo didn't invent anything, they just stole it from everyone else. And before you start barfing up that the patent office gave them the patent on this prior art remember they also game IBM a scroll bar patent in 1995 and the trademark office granted dispair.com a registration for ":-(". Our patent system is a joke.

You are right, there was no justice here.
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As if TiVo stealing the work of others, patenting it as their own and then suing everyone is justice. They are patent trolls, not innovators.

Note to the TiVo fanboys, TiVo isn't a religion. They did not invent simultaneous recording and playback or doing it with a hard drive. They did not invent the on screen guide. They did not invent on screen navigation. They did not even invent picking recordings from an on screen guide. They did not invent searching for programs based on criteria. They were not even first to market with their box. TiVo did not invent anything that their box does. It was ALL prior art, some of which patented prior art.

They are technology leeches who have exploited flaws in our patent system to their advantage then like every patent troll outfit, seek to extort money from other companies. Of course like many here, juries are too stupid to follow any of this. If it don't fit, you must acquit.

Enjoy your victory. TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and all of these injustices will be righted.
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You can claim that they stole something all that you want, but you'd still be wrong. You're not the judge. The judge is the judge. Justice as spoken, and your perspective lost. Get over it. And get over yourself. Just because people believe something different from your own personal opinion doesn't make them fanboys -- are you a Dish Network fanboy? Is that why you're lying repeatedly in this thread about TiVo?

You TiVo fanboys are too funny. Read the patents genius. Read the Gemstar and EPG patents. TiVo didn't invent anything. They stole all of it from the REAL innovators in the industry. You can ignore these very simple, obvious facts and continue lying about TiVo innovation all you want. TiVo lawyers certainly have no trouble lying for them either but it doesn't change the simple undeniable fact that TiVo didn't invent ANYTHING.

You not seeing a problem with patent trolls like TiVo gaming our hugely flawed patent system is your business, but that isn't justice by any stretch of the imagination. Oh, the court says so...yeah, cause judges and juries never screw up...just ask O.J. Oh, cause the patent office says so, just ask IBM who was granted a scroll bar patent in 1995, when every GUI based OS and nearly every application already had it and had it for a decade.

The patent office granted TiVo patents on what is obvious to everyone else to be prior art. Then the idiots on the jury are instructed to determine whether or not Dish violated a patent that should never have been granted in the first place. Then we are expected to have the same patent office that screwed up in the first place, admit that they screwed up and reverse themselves...after allowing this scam to continue for years. Uh huh. Our patent system is a farce, endlessly gamed by patent trolls and thieves like TiVo.

It is laughable that the only quarter the "inventors of the DVR" turn a decent profit is when they extort money through their patent trolling schemes. But no matter, with ever declining revenues, their source of patent trolling revenues drying up and cable operators moving toward centralized storage, TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and the TiVo thieves unemployed. THEN justice will be served.

News to the TiVo zealots...TiVo is not a religion and you don't have to endlessly excuse their IP theft and patent trolling.
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