| Competitve and robust... it would be that way if VZ didn't cherrypick. |
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Why would a company want to invest in a city that doesnt have as much potential earning as another city? If broadband is that important to a consumer, they should move to a metro area, not a rural one. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to fifty nine
Where's the cherry picking data? I'm preparing to move into a neighborhood in northern VA that's relatively affluent and I won't have access to FiOS or Verizon DSL. I could have purchased a house in a lesser neighborhood that was cabled with FiOS. |
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join:2004-07-29
Las Cruces, NM
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And why would a company try to prevent a rural town from building their own infrastructure if that company has no interest in providing service for said town?
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Because allowing municipalities to start their own businesses using taxpayer money establishes precedence that no for profit company wants to allow. |
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IT GuyOw, My BallsPremium
join:2004-07-29
Las Cruces, NM Reviews:
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| That was more of a rhetorical question... My point is, you can't have your cake and eat it too (unless you control the market and have the money to lobby those making the rules, of coarse). LOL
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said by openbox9:Because allowing municipalities to start their own businesses using taxpayer money establishes precedence that no for profit company wants to allow. So? If a company isn't willing to step up to the plate and provide reasonable broadband speeds and prices, then they should have no recourse to stop someone else from doing it. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to openbox9
Not taxpayer money, bonds. It's not city-subsidized, though you're right that there's no profit motive by the city and that scares for-profit companies. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to openbox9
Verizon only picks cheries on the east side of the tree  |
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said by baineschile:If broadband is that important to a consumer, they should move to a metro area, not a rural one. If everyone lived in the urban areas, how do you proposed that we grow the food this nation consumes? Fully automated farming hasn't been perfected yet.
The problem with the logic in your post is that it assumes that everyone lives in the rural areas purely by choice alone. Necessity dictates that folks live in rural areas and those folks shouldn't be cut off from the rest of the world purely by the accident of their location.
Those folks should have access to a modern communications infrastructure and the providers should either provide it or let localities provide it. Problem is that providers want neither.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to digitalfreak
Perhaps you missed the "establish precedence" part of my statement. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to iansltx
Who floats the bonds more often than not? |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Who has floated the bonds so far on a muni fiber deployment? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | The taxpayers most of the time from what I've read. |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA Reviews:
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said by NetAdmin1:said by baineschile:If broadband is that important to a consumer, they should move to a metro area, not a rural one. ... your post ... assumes that everyone lives in the rural areas purely by choice alone. Necessity dictates that folks live in rural areas and those folks shouldn't be cut off from the rest of the world purely by the accident of their location. Those folks should have access to a modern communications infrastructure ... They're not cut off, and their location IS a choice, not "an accident", or a necessity. Nor is broadband a necessity.
They DO have broadband option(s). You just don't like them, and you don't want to pay the rural premium.
Verizon is not holding rural areas hostage without service, as you and others imply. Instead, they've sold off a majority of those holdings to the likes of Fairpoint / Frontier / Carlyle.
As for the OP, he's hit the nail on the head: Move.
Back in the day, I moved many a business concern, lock-stock-and-barrel, from GTE to Pacific Telephone locations, in order that they had dialtone, to stay in business. It wasn't a hard sell. Service was so bad, even the city evicted GTE.
If you have children in Los Angeles, you move to a school district other than LAUSD if you don't want to pay private school tuition. (Palos Verdes rocks!).
If you don't have broadband service to your liking, you either move to it, wait for it, make it happen (plant some poles, run some cable, form a Wisp, etc), or do without. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to openbox9
Give me a specific instance, thanks. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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How's your internet right now? Running smoothly? Out here the least jittery connection is EvDO.
Also, Verizon IS holding some areas hostage. They've apparently forgoten my town exists; no DSL, no fiber, no selling out to another area, no infrastructure improvements.
And by no DSL, I mean Verizon flat-out doesn't have a DSLAM in the CO...in town! |
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said by elray:If you don't have broadband service to your liking, you either move to it, wait for it, make it happen (plant some poles, run some cable, form a Wisp, etc), or do without. If you read the entirety of my post instead of half-ass comprehending it, you would have seen that I advocated that folks do something. Problem is that incumbents, including Verizon, are working very hard to prevent localities that are under-served from doing just that - building the infrastructure that the likes of Verizon and ATT don't want to build.
And just to correct you, people living in rural areas is very necessary. I'd love to see you buy and plow 1000+ acres of land into a corn field in the middle of LA. Seriously, the food you eat doesn't come from the supermarket, it comes from the farms that are spread throughout rural America.
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join:2003-04-23
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Seriously, the food you eat doesn't come from the supermarket, it comes from the farms that are spread throughout rural America. NO! You're lying! The supermarkets pull the food out of their asses, I've seen it myself.
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA Reviews:
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said by NetAdmin1:Problem is that incumbents, including Verizon, are working very hard to prevent localities that are under-served from doing just that - building the infrastructure that the likes of Verizon and ATT don't want to build. And just to correct you, people living in rural areas is very necessary. Nope. No one "has to" live in a rural setting. It is a choice.
If you feel it is more important to have urban broadband, then sell your farm to someone who wants to till the land more than download at blistering speed. It is a choice, pure and simple.
Verizon is NOT preventing people from forming Coops, or Wisps from competing, or munis inviting overbuilders. Verizon's monopoly right extends only to its Fios coverage, and even there, they have at least two discounting resellers. |
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