sterneriot
@rr.com
| reply to Doctor Four
Re: haha
said by Doctor Four  :I'd rather have U-Verse 12M/1.5M Max tier and the U200 package than Time Warner any day. More channels for a lower price and a much more reliable Internet connection. At least from what my experience has been with both companies. doctor four, try watching hdtv on 4 tv's and surfing on web on uverse. cant do it can you? u can on cable tv. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | What if you don't have 4 televisions and/or don't watch that much TV? Everything is relative. U-verse will work fine for some while others will prefer cable. Personally, if AT&T has turned up U-verse in my area, I would have tried the service. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| said by openbox9 :What if you don't have 4 televisions and/or don't watch that much TV? Everything is relative. That is true for individual customers.
But one would think a company spending billions of dollars to roll out next generation services would design a system with more headroom and future capacity.
/tom |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
| reply to sterneriot
said by sterneriot :said by Doctor Four :I'd rather have U-Verse 12M/1.5M Max tier and the U200 package than Time Warner any day. More channels for a lower price and a much more reliable Internet connection. At least from what my experience has been with both companies. doctor four, try watching hdtv on 4 tv's and surfing on web on uverse. cant do it can you? u can on cable tv. and on direct tv from ATT. |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | reply to openbox9
2 HD is big limit and is easy to hit with just 2 tv's and having a dvr on 1 of them. Direct tv, dish, cable can do way more then U-verse and $7 /m a box on U-verse? |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :What if you don't have 4 televisions and/or don't watch that much TV? Everything is relative. U-verse will work fine for some while others will prefer cable. Personally, if AT&T has turned up U-verse in my area, I would have tried the service. I have it. I just love the uverse "stutter" that happens all of the time when watching tv. I'm only using 1 tv and it still stutters every day. It's an ok service, but overpriced. |
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gigabitz
join:2009-05-31
Boca Raton, FL
| reply to openbox9
You don't need 4 televisions. What if you would like to record 2 HD channels on your DVR while watching another. You cannot do it. Add to that 18Mbps is pathetic compared to 50Mbps and just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't. If I could get 50/20 with no cap I'd jump on it way faster than 18Mbps which is comparable to Comcast's 16Mbps. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to tschmidt
They believe that they did, but apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to jjeffeory
I assume that you've spoken to tech support about the stuttering? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to gigabitz
"Everything is relative." Just because you do use it doesn't mean others will. My wife and I simply don't watch that much television. In fact, if I could talk her out of the Food Network and HGTV, we would be an OTA only household. As for 18/1.5 Mbps for internet access, I'd take it over my 8/0.5 access that I have now for about the size cost per month. Can you get 50/20 with no cap? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to Joe12345678
If a person needs more, then they usually have a choice. Personally I don't and would have been willing to give U-verse a shot if they'd turned up the VRAD that's been sitting a block away from my house for over a year now. |
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vinnie97
join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | reply to openbox9
I hope it never comes through. U-Verse can sink. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | I don't understand how some can wish such ill-will on a product that brings competition, however questionable it may be in some eyes, to a market. Turning U-verse up in many markets will help push cable. That's what competition is all about. |
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vinnie97
join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX
1 edit | My take is: Either do it the right way, or don't do it all. Coddling copper in 2009 and beyond is the height of asininity. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Copper can work just fine. Fiber isn't the be all and end all. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| said by openbox9 :Copper can work just fine. Fiber isn't the be all and end all. True, but the bandwidth limits of fiber are only hobbled, at this time, by the electronics on either end. Various physical laws make pushing extremely high speeds over long distance runs of unshielded twisted pair virtually impossible. You can at this moment easily push a 10GB data stream over a 10km fiber run. You cannot do the same with UTP.
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I support the right to keep and arm bears. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
·Hollis Hosting
·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected. Pair bonding assumes outside plant has multiple pairs per customer. If it doesn't then AT&T will need to add more copper or build out fiber.
I am no expert but I assume existing telephone outside plant was not built to provide 2 or 3 pairs per customer.
Seems like an expensive stop gap measure to me.
/tom |
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Ark
join:2002-06-08
Hudsonville, MI
·AT&T Midwest
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Most houses I've seen seem to have 3 pairs running into the NID. This lets people order up to 3 regular old phone lines back in the day, without having to run new wires to their house. You just open up the NID and map pair 2 and 3 to other jacks.
At 2100ft, my Max sync according to the logs is between 49M and 53M down and 2M up. Currently I only sync at 25M/2M and can only use 18M/1.5M because that is the profile I'm on.
With pair bonding, I assume it would be easy to sync at 100M down, with nothing more than a RG swap-out. |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  reply to tschmidt
said by tschmidt :said by openbox9 :apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected. Pair bonding assumes outside plant has multiple pairs per customer. If it doesn't then AT&T will need to add more copper or build out fiber. Seems like an expensive stop gap measure to me. /tom You guys think it's so easy to use existing Copper, and evidently the BellHeads at AT&T did too. Maybe 10 years ago the existing Copper Plant was good enough for VDSL U-Verse, but this old Copper won't work and AT&T knows it has to replace it or change to Fiber. Changing to Fiber is not that easy, the Electronics has to change too. Those AT&T BellHeads can't do anything fast, so U-Verse is at a stand still. |
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OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon BroadbandA..
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Ark
How many pairs in the drop wire is irrevelant.if the main lines bring the dialtone to ur pole/ped dont have 2-3 spair pairs for every house it has to serve, the pair bonding wont be possable. Just because a main like has several pairs 50,100,200, ect dont mean they are all useable too. Ever had static on issues with your line? Alot of times the tech will find a better pair to move you over too. Some of this stuff is dating back to the bell days with lead sheeting, and poor splices and repairs. |
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