openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to sterneriot
Re: haha
What if you don't have 4 televisions and/or don't watch that much TV? Everything is relative. U-verse will work fine for some while others will prefer cable. Personally, if AT&T has turned up U-verse in my area, I would have tried the service. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| said by openbox9  :What if you don't have 4 televisions and/or don't watch that much TV? Everything is relative. That is true for individual customers.
But one would think a company spending billions of dollars to roll out next generation services would design a system with more headroom and future capacity.
/tom |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | reply to openbox9
2 HD is big limit and is easy to hit with just 2 tv's and having a dvr on 1 of them. Direct tv, dish, cable can do way more then U-verse and $7 /m a box on U-verse? |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :What if you don't have 4 televisions and/or don't watch that much TV? Everything is relative. U-verse will work fine for some while others will prefer cable. Personally, if AT&T has turned up U-verse in my area, I would have tried the service. I have it. I just love the uverse "stutter" that happens all of the time when watching tv. I'm only using 1 tv and it still stutters every day. It's an ok service, but overpriced. |
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gigabitz
join:2009-05-31
Boca Raton, FL
| reply to openbox9
You don't need 4 televisions. What if you would like to record 2 HD channels on your DVR while watching another. You cannot do it. Add to that 18Mbps is pathetic compared to 50Mbps and just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't. If I could get 50/20 with no cap I'd jump on it way faster than 18Mbps which is comparable to Comcast's 16Mbps. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to tschmidt
They believe that they did, but apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to jjeffeory
I assume that you've spoken to tech support about the stuttering? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to gigabitz
"Everything is relative." Just because you do use it doesn't mean others will. My wife and I simply don't watch that much television. In fact, if I could talk her out of the Food Network and HGTV, we would be an OTA only household. As for 18/1.5 Mbps for internet access, I'd take it over my 8/0.5 access that I have now for about the size cost per month. Can you get 50/20 with no cap? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to Joe12345678
If a person needs more, then they usually have a choice. Personally I don't and would have been willing to give U-verse a shot if they'd turned up the VRAD that's been sitting a block away from my house for over a year now. |
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vinnie97
join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | reply to openbox9
I hope it never comes through. U-Verse can sink. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | I don't understand how some can wish such ill-will on a product that brings competition, however questionable it may be in some eyes, to a market. Turning U-verse up in many markets will help push cable. That's what competition is all about. |
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vinnie97
join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX
1 edit | My take is: Either do it the right way, or don't do it all. Coddling copper in 2009 and beyond is the height of asininity. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Copper can work just fine. Fiber isn't the be all and end all. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| said by openbox9 :Copper can work just fine. Fiber isn't the be all and end all. True, but the bandwidth limits of fiber are only hobbled, at this time, by the electronics on either end. Various physical laws make pushing extremely high speeds over long distance runs of unshielded twisted pair virtually impossible. You can at this moment easily push a 10GB data stream over a 10km fiber run. You cannot do the same with UTP.
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I support the right to keep and arm bears. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
·Hollis Hosting
·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected. Pair bonding assumes outside plant has multiple pairs per customer. If it doesn't then AT&T will need to add more copper or build out fiber.
I am no expert but I assume existing telephone outside plant was not built to provide 2 or 3 pairs per customer.
Seems like an expensive stop gap measure to me.
/tom |
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Ark
join:2002-06-08
Hudsonville, MI
·AT&T Midwest
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Most houses I've seen seem to have 3 pairs running into the NID. This lets people order up to 3 regular old phone lines back in the day, without having to run new wires to their house. You just open up the NID and map pair 2 and 3 to other jacks.
At 2100ft, my Max sync according to the logs is between 49M and 53M down and 2M up. Currently I only sync at 25M/2M and can only use 18M/1.5M because that is the profile I'm on.
With pair bonding, I assume it would be easy to sync at 100M down, with nothing more than a RG swap-out. |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  reply to tschmidt
said by tschmidt :said by openbox9 :apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected. Pair bonding assumes outside plant has multiple pairs per customer. If it doesn't then AT&T will need to add more copper or build out fiber. Seems like an expensive stop gap measure to me. /tom You guys think it's so easy to use existing Copper, and evidently the BellHeads at AT&T did too. Maybe 10 years ago the existing Copper Plant was good enough for VDSL U-Verse, but this old Copper won't work and AT&T knows it has to replace it or change to Fiber. Changing to Fiber is not that easy, the Electronics has to change too. Those AT&T BellHeads can't do anything fast, so U-Verse is at a stand still. |
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OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon BroadbandA..
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Ark
How many pairs in the drop wire is irrevelant.if the main lines bring the dialtone to ur pole/ped dont have 2-3 spair pairs for every house it has to serve, the pair bonding wont be possable. Just because a main like has several pairs 50,100,200, ect dont mean they are all useable too. Ever had static on issues with your line? Alot of times the tech will find a better pair to move you over too. Some of this stuff is dating back to the bell days with lead sheeting, and poor splices and repairs. |
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Ark
join:2002-06-08
Hudsonville, MI
·AT&T Midwest
| I don't think that applies with VRADs, where they are using Fiber to the VRAD, not a copper path all the way back to the CO. Perhaps if you are far from the VRAD, and there are still some of those little cross-connect boxes in the path, your 2nd/3rd pair don't make it all the way back to the VRAD, but around here, they seem to put a VRAD right next to every cross-connect box. I don't work for AT&T though, so I don't really know how far they go. Still, AT&T is taking a pretty incremental approach. They laid fiber to the VRAD, and if they want to move to VDSL2+ with pair bonding, they can probably lay a little bit more fiber, get a little closer to each house, and ensure that they get close enough to reach the drop wires directly so all pairs are usable. Then, they can still move slowly to fiber directly into the home, without having to dig up any of the old fiber from the first stages. |
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OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon BroadbandA..
·RoadRunner Cable
| They wouldent dig up the fiber, the vrad would just get converted to a fibewr splice cabnet, and if need be, the vrad removed entirly, and just a burried access vault, that are near most vrads anyways be put in. The biggest cost right now would be the conduit between each pedistal. I just taked to a buddy i have at T and theres an area they has gotten the copper stolen so many times, they even hired security guards to atch that section, the thiefs waited out the guards aftera month, and stole it again. AT&T finaly decided to put the wire in conduit. at the tune of $10,000 dollars.
T needs to start now running the fiber while labor's cheep and possably materials as well, before inflation hits. They gotta start eventually, the longer the wait the more expensive its gonna get when the enonomy rebounds and labor isent as cheep, and there still subs to hold on to. |
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