AT&T Slowing U-Verse Deployment? > haha

reply to sterneriot

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reply to openbox9
2 HD is big limit and is easy to hit with just 2 tv's and having a dvr on 1 of them. Direct tv, dish, cable can do way more then U-verse and $7 /m a box on U-verse?

reply to openbox9

reply to openbox9
You don't need 4 televisions. What if you would like to record 2 HD channels on your DVR while watching another. You cannot do it. Add to that 18Mbps is pathetic compared to 50Mbps and just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't. If I could get 50/20 with no cap I'd jump on it way faster than 18Mbps which is comparable to Comcast's 16Mbps.

reply to tschmidt
They believe that they did, but apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected.

reply to jjeffeory
I assume that you've spoken to tech support about the stuttering?

reply to gigabitz
"Everything is relative." Just because you do use it doesn't mean others will. My wife and I simply don't watch that much television. In fact, if I could talk her out of the Food Network and HGTV, we would be an OTA only household. As for 18/1.5 Mbps for internet access, I'd take it over my 8/0.5 access that I have now for about the size cost per month. Can you get 50/20 with no cap?

reply to Joe12345678
If a person needs more, then they usually have a choice. Personally I don't and would have been willing to give U-verse a shot if they'd turned up the VRAD that's been sitting a block away from my house for over a year now.

reply to openbox9
I hope it never comes through. U-Verse can sink.

I don't understand how some can wish such ill-will on a product that brings competition, however questionable it may be in some eyes, to a market. Turning U-verse up in many markets will help push cable. That's what competition is all about.

My take is: Either do it the right way, or don't do it all. Coddling copper in 2009 and beyond is the height of asininity.

Copper can work just fine. Fiber isn't the be all and end all.

reply to openbox9

Most houses I've seen seem to have 3 pairs running into the NID. This lets people order up to 3 regular old phone lines back in the day, without having to run new wires to their house. You just open up the NID and map pair 2 and 3 to other jacks.
At 2100ft, my Max sync according to the logs is between 49M and 53M down and 2M up. Currently I only sync at 25M/2M and can only use 18M/1.5M because that is the profile I'm on.
With pair bonding, I assume it would be easy to sync at 100M down, with nothing more than a RG swap-out.

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reply to Ark
How many pairs in the drop wire is irrevelant.if the main lines bring the dialtone to ur pole/ped dont have 2-3 spair pairs for every house it has to serve, the pair bonding wont be possable. Just because a main like has several pairs 50,100,200, ect dont mean they are all useable too. Ever had static on issues with your line? Alot of times the tech will find a better pair to move you over too. Some of this stuff is dating back to the bell days with lead sheeting, and poor splices and repairs.

I don't think that applies with VRADs, where they are using Fiber to the VRAD, not a copper path all the way back to the CO. Perhaps if you are far from the VRAD, and there are still some of those little cross-connect boxes in the path, your 2nd/3rd pair don't make it all the way back to the VRAD, but around here, they seem to put a VRAD right next to every cross-connect box. I don't work for AT&T though, so I don't really know how far they go. Still, AT&T is taking a pretty incremental approach. They laid fiber to the VRAD, and if they want to move to VDSL2+ with pair bonding, they can probably lay a little bit more fiber, get a little closer to each house, and ensure that they get close enough to reach the drop wires directly so all pairs are usable. Then, they can still move slowly to fiber directly into the home, without having to dig up any of the old fiber from the first stages.

They wouldent dig up the fiber, the vrad would just get converted to a fibewr splice cabnet, and if need be, the vrad removed entirly, and just a burried access vault, that are near most vrads anyways be put in. The biggest cost right now would be the conduit between each pedistal. I just taked to a buddy i have at T and theres an area they has gotten the copper stolen so many times, they even hired security guards to atch that section, the thiefs waited out the guards aftera month, and stole it again. AT&T finaly decided to put the wire in conduit. at the tune of $10,000 dollars.

T needs to start now running the fiber while labor's cheep and possably materials as well, before inflation hits. They gotta start eventually, the longer the wait the more expensive its gonna get when the enonomy rebounds and labor isent as cheep, and there still subs to hold on to.