AT&T Slowing U-Verse Deployment? > haha

reply to openbox9

Re: haha

They believe that they did, but apparently the pair bonding isn't coming through as easily/quickly as they expected.

I hope it never comes through. U-Verse can sink.

I don't understand how some can wish such ill-will on a product that brings competition, however questionable it may be in some eyes, to a market. Turning U-verse up in many markets will help push cable. That's what competition is all about.

My take is: Either do it the right way, or don't do it all. Coddling copper in 2009 and beyond is the height of asininity.

Copper can work just fine. Fiber isn't the be all and end all.

reply to openbox9

Most houses I've seen seem to have 3 pairs running into the NID. This lets people order up to 3 regular old phone lines back in the day, without having to run new wires to their house. You just open up the NID and map pair 2 and 3 to other jacks.
At 2100ft, my Max sync according to the logs is between 49M and 53M down and 2M up. Currently I only sync at 25M/2M and can only use 18M/1.5M because that is the profile I'm on.
With pair bonding, I assume it would be easy to sync at 100M down, with nothing more than a RG swap-out.

reply to tschmidt

reply to Ark
How many pairs in the drop wire is irrevelant.if the main lines bring the dialtone to ur pole/ped dont have 2-3 spair pairs for every house it has to serve, the pair bonding wont be possable. Just because a main like has several pairs 50,100,200, ect dont mean they are all useable too. Ever had static on issues with your line? Alot of times the tech will find a better pair to move you over too. Some of this stuff is dating back to the bell days with lead sheeting, and poor splices and repairs.

I don't think that applies with VRADs, where they are using Fiber to the VRAD, not a copper path all the way back to the CO. Perhaps if you are far from the VRAD, and there are still some of those little cross-connect boxes in the path, your 2nd/3rd pair don't make it all the way back to the VRAD, but around here, they seem to put a VRAD right next to every cross-connect box. I don't work for AT&T though, so I don't really know how far they go. Still, AT&T is taking a pretty incremental approach. They laid fiber to the VRAD, and if they want to move to VDSL2+ with pair bonding, they can probably lay a little bit more fiber, get a little closer to each house, and ensure that they get close enough to reach the drop wires directly so all pairs are usable. Then, they can still move slowly to fiber directly into the home, without having to dig up any of the old fiber from the first stages.

They wouldent dig up the fiber, the vrad would just get converted to a fibewr splice cabnet, and if need be, the vrad removed entirly, and just a burried access vault, that are near most vrads anyways be put in. The biggest cost right now would be the conduit between each pedistal. I just taked to a buddy i have at T and theres an area they has gotten the copper stolen so many times, they even hired security guards to atch that section, the thiefs waited out the guards aftera month, and stole it again. AT&T finaly decided to put the wire in conduit. at the tune of $10,000 dollars.

T needs to start now running the fiber while labor's cheep and possably materials as well, before inflation hits. They gotta start eventually, the longer the wait the more expensive its gonna get when the enonomy rebounds and labor isent as cheep, and there still subs to hold on to.

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reply to n2jtx
I'm not disputing that one bit. And I don't know of any company attempting to push 10 Gbps over a 10 Km run of copper.

reply to vinnie97
I have no doubt that AT&T (and every other last mile provider, including CATV) will migrate to FTTH at some point. The FTTN and copper to the house is a step on the road to FTTH. My point is that for where we are in the development of the Internet and what most customers are demanding, copper can work and fiber isn't necessary. That will change, I just don't believe we're at that breaking point yet.

reply to tschmidt
I would guess that most house built in the last 30 years would have at least two pair ran to them. And yes, if the cable pairs aren't available to the houses, that makes pair bonding extra challenging and expensive.

Also, even after adding enough pairs to make 3 pairs per customer, there still remains the problem of having over 30-50% of the pairs in a trunk all carrying VDSL signals. As some may remember from the DSL days, if over a certain percentage of the lines in trunk have DSL/other high-frequency signals being carried through them, they may have an adverse impact on each other, at one point causing severe noise and crosstalk issues.
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