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KrK
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Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar

Stop trying to confuse him with the truth. He's either a Dish hater, or a Tivo fanboi, or both. He doesn't care about the injustice, he just likes the result.

"Dish copied Tivo". What a joke.
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You evidently don't know anything about justice. It sounds to me that you equate justice with things going your way. :rolleyes:



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As if TiVo stealing the work of others, patenting it as their own and then suing everyone is justice. They are patent trolls, not innovators.

Note to the TiVo fanboys, TiVo isn't a religion. They did not invent simultaneous recording and playback or doing it with a hard drive. They did not invent the on screen guide. They did not invent on screen navigation. They did not even invent picking recordings from an on screen guide. They did not invent searching for programs based on criteria. They were not even first to market with their box. TiVo did not invent anything that their box does. It was ALL prior art, some of which patented prior art.

They are technology leeches who have exploited flaws in our patent system to their advantage then like every patent troll outfit, seek to extort money from other companies. Of course like many here, juries are too stupid to follow any of this. If it don't fit, you must acquit.

Enjoy your victory. TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and all of these injustices will be righted.
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You can claim that they stole something all that you want, but you'd still be wrong. You're not the judge. The judge is the judge. Justice as spoken, and your perspective lost. Get over it. And get over yourself. Just because people believe something different from your own personal opinion doesn't make them fanboys -- are you a Dish Network fanboy? Is that why you're lying repeatedly in this thread about TiVo?



Bit
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You TiVo fanboys are too funny. Read the patents genius. Read the Gemstar and EPG patents. TiVo didn't invent anything. They stole all of it from the REAL innovators in the industry. You can ignore these very simple, obvious facts and continue lying about TiVo innovation all you want. TiVo lawyers certainly have no trouble lying for them either but it doesn't change the simple undeniable fact that TiVo didn't invent ANYTHING.

You not seeing a problem with patent trolls like TiVo gaming our hugely flawed patent system is your business, but that isn't justice by any stretch of the imagination. Oh, the court says so...yeah, cause judges and juries never screw up...just ask O.J. Oh, cause the patent office says so, just ask IBM who was granted a scroll bar patent in 1995, when every GUI based OS and nearly every application already had it and had it for a decade.

The patent office granted TiVo patents on what is obvious to everyone else to be prior art. Then the idiots on the jury are instructed to determine whether or not Dish violated a patent that should never have been granted in the first place. Then we are expected to have the same patent office that screwed up in the first place, admit that they screwed up and reverse themselves...after allowing this scam to continue for years. Uh huh. Our patent system is a farce, endlessly gamed by patent trolls and thieves like TiVo.

It is laughable that the only quarter the "inventors of the DVR" turn a decent profit is when they extort money through their patent trolling schemes. But no matter, with ever declining revenues, their source of patent trolling revenues drying up and cable operators moving toward centralized storage, TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and the TiVo thieves unemployed. THEN justice will be served.

News to the TiVo zealots...TiVo is not a religion and you don't have to endlessly excuse their IP theft and patent trolling.
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You can claim that they stole something all that you want, but you'd still be wrong.
Yes, yes, you are. When you say Echostar stole from Tivo.
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The patent office granted TiVo patents on what is obvious to everyone else to be prior art.
This is where Echostar screwed up. They assumed this was apparent, this technology was under development all over the place, including theirs in-house. With prior-art and obviousness, I'm sure patent issues seemed minor and solve-able. With theirs and other DVR's under development, they'd not expect problems in perfecting their own. Which they did... and then had the boom lowered on them several years later after they had them out in circulation and lots of customers used to them and loving them. (Hello Rambus). Then in court Echostar still thought they'd win because they felt the Tivo patents would be voided. So they were wrong again. No wonder they fought it all the way and I don't blame them one bit. Even though a lot of people appear to dislike Ergen, very few people can say the man is stupid. If Echostar believed that they were wrong and had no case they'd of settled and licensed years ago. They fought because it the the right thing to do. Too bad they still lost. I admire them for standing on principle rather then just taking the bean-counter way and settling.... in this case the gamble didn't pay off.

It's not over for the 2nd round of extortion payments. but at his point Dish has little to lose, because they aren't going to turn off millions of DVR's. Tivo knows this and is looking to not only win big legally, they want to force Echostar into a really big licensing agreement that will cost subscribers milllions. SO no wonder they will fight on, and hope for the patents to be voided in the future.

It is laughable that the only quarter the "inventors of the DVR" turn a decent profit is when they extort money through their patent trolling schemes. But no matter, with ever declining revenues, their source of patent trolling revenues drying up and cable operators moving toward centralized storage, TiVo will be bankrupt soon enough and the TiVo thieves unemployed. THEN justice will be served.
I worry they'll move on to Media PC type systems/Slingboxes etc next as their next target.
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Sure. Whatever you say, Bicker.



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Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar

You should check your facts. I am very critical of TiVo - particularly with respect to the ads they force on me (I am a subscriber).

Sorry, but your sarcasm is not applicable in this case.

I have a different opinion than you, For some reason, you can't accept that, so you lump me into a group of people that blindly follow an inanimate object?


Bit
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Uh huh, riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Bit
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Re: TiVo gains second judgment against Echostar

They are religious fanatics. They accuse people of not checking the facts when they obviously haven't read any of the other patents that preceded TiVo's claimed invention. TiVo stole everything and they just close their eyes and plug their ears screaming, "la la la la la la".

If you dare question the "awe inspiring greatness and perfection" that is TiVo they act as if you insulted their mother. That is what is ridiculous.
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said by Bit:

They are religious fanatics. They accuse people of not checking the facts when they obviously haven't read any of the other patents that preceded TiVo's claimed invention. TiVo stole everything and they just close their eyes and plug their ears screaming, "la la la la la la".

If you dare question the "awe inspiring greatness and perfection" that is TiVo they act as if you insulted their mother. That is what is ridiculous.
Do you think that posting such nonsense will get a rise out of me?


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You should bother to read who posters are replying to.
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said by Bit:

You should bother to read who posters are replying to.
Oops. You are right...

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