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1 edit | Procedure to Cancel I am moving on to PP from VT after my 1+1 service ends on July 15.
I know I read this before but I went back in history of posts to Feb and could not find so let's start a new one as I am sure there are some interested people with SR meltdown anniversary coming up.
What is sequence for cancellation? Note I am in the second free year right now.
Submit ticket and send in adpater? Should ticket be to cancel or to return adapter (with separate one to cancel)? What do I include with adapter (phone number and ticket number, all accessories)?
1. Get new service (done). 2. Port number (in progress with June 9 target) 3. Confirm number has ported 4. Submit ticket to cancel 5. Send PAP back (where to? with what info?) 6. what else?
I thought someone said it must cancel 30 days prior but TOS seems to suggest 24 or 48 hours? Any pointer here?
Is the $3/month charge "for next month" meaning I should see it stop right away)?
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel The following is the TOS for cancellation... Couldn't find anything about cancelling 30 days prior?? Interested to know if this is true though!
You must return the provided equipment before a cancellation can be processed. If you cancel service before returning equipment, you will be charged a $50 non-return fee for said equipment which will be refunded if the equipment is returned within 30 days. If you have a refund due in accordance with our money back guarantee or our prepayment policies, this $50 will be deducted from said refund in lieu of the charge. If you then return the equipment within 30 days, the fee will be refunded. If any returned equipment that ViaTalk sent you is damaged or the return is incomplete you will be responsible for the following:
Nothing returned: $50.00 Adapter/router damaged/missing: $50.00 Power adapter damaged/missing: $15.00 Ethernet cable damaged/missing: $5.00
If equipment is damaged while in your possession before cancellation, please contact our customer service department to arrange for free replacement. This replacement is limited to 1 time per year and we reserve the right to refuse any replacement if we deem that the damage was intentional or you didnt take reasonable action to protect the equipment.
Upon termination of service, your account will receive a full pro-rated refund for any remaining pre-paid months calculated from the 1st day of the following month. Activation fees, shipping fees and one-time fees are not eligible for any type of refund; only service fees are refundable as outlined in this agreement. Customer will be charged a disconnect fee of $49.95 per line for all cancellations not processed within fourteen (14) days of service activation as per the terms of 14 Day Money Back Guarantee as provided in this agreement, or within fourteen (14) days of the end of the prepaid term. The Disconnect Fee becomes due and payable immediately upon cancellation and will be deducted from any refunds due, or billed directly to Customers credit card. Non-usage of service does not constitute cancellation of service. All cancellation requests must be submitted in the form of a customer service ticket.
You agree that ViaTalk LLC may suspend or terminate the account for reasons including, but not limited to, non-payment, violating the Terms of Service or declined credit card charges. If at any time the account is at least 30 days past due all accounts may be subject to a collection fee of $25.00. You agree that failure to pay may result in further collection actions.
ViaTalk LLC reserves the right to modify or change pricing at any time.
ViaTalk LLC offers a 14 Day Money Back Guarantee. The 14 day Money Back Guarantee begins on the day your equipment is delivered or [in the case of a BYOD account] on the day your SIP credentials are emailed. Service charges are refundable if you cancel service within 14 days and agree to return your device within 30 days of cancellation. Fees incurred for using premium services, long distance fees (if on a measured plan), activation fees, shipping fees and one-time upgrade fees are non-refundable. The 14 Day Money Back Guarantee does not apply if you are found to be in violation of our terms of service or if you have taken advantage of the guarantee in the past.
There is a $50 administrative fee for any illegitimate chargebacks placed against us. Any illegitimate chargebacks or threatened illegitimate chargebacks are grounds for immediate account cancellation.
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by v35_pilot :said by Aveamantium :There is a $50 administrative fee for any illegitimate chargebacks placed against us. What if you contest this administrative fee, resulting in a chargeback? And so on, and so on.... Good point... As for the $49.95 cancellation fee, it looks like you can avoid this if you cancel in the first 14 days or the last 14 days of the contract? That is if I'm reading this correctly? Could someone please verify this!? | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by Aveamantium :said by v35_pilot :said by Aveamantium :There is a $50 administrative fee for any illegitimate chargebacks placed against us. What if you contest this administrative fee, resulting in a chargeback? And so on, and so on.... Good point... As for the $49.95 cancellation fee, it looks like you can avoid this if you cancel in the first 14 days or the last 14 days of the contract? That is if I'm reading this correctly? Could someone please verify this!? The response I got from a VT trouble ticket on this subject...
You may terminate the account within the 14 day trial period or the last 14 days of the term without any penalty. I hope this information is helpful, please feel free to contact us with any other questions or concerns. Thank you and have a good night!
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel I'm not in my "free" year as I extended 1 year so I'll have to wait until the last 14 days of my contract to cancel. Could be fun trying to time porting, sending in the ATA and cancelling such that it falls sometime in those last two weeks. Or I guess I could port earlier and just keep the account open until the last two weeks, assuming VT allows this? | |
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| dcurrey makes a good point about using month-to-month to keep your number secure and avoid mistiming a port. Furthermore, you could use that time as insurance to make sure your new provider will work for you, as expected. If things didn't work out, it would give you the chance to either stay with the old provider, or choose another new one without a disruption.
As most of us know here in these forums, no one VoIP provider works for everyone. | |
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join:2006-10-02 Loveland, CO | Re: Procedure to Cancel Thanks dcurrey and unknvoip... So you just tell them in a trouble ticket that you want to go monthly after your prepaid term expires? Or do you wait until the last 14 days to "switch" to the monthly? | |
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join:2006-10-02 Loveland, CO | Re: Procedure to Cancel Also, I just re-read the TOS and it doesn't say anything about monthly customers being exempt from the cancellation fee? I'm sure I'm missing it, but... | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel From the TOS:
...or within fourteen (14) days of the end of the prepaid term.
A monthly plan is not a prepaid plan. Besides, if you paid for a month of service, what would be the reason to cancel in the first 16 days over the last 14 days of the month? Just program a reminder to yourself to cancel 20 days into your month. | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by unknvoip :From the TOS: ...or within fourteen (14) days of the end of the prepaid term.A monthly plan is not a prepaid plan. Besides, if you paid for a month of service, what would be the reason to cancel in the first 16 days over the last 14 days of the month? Just program a reminder to yourself to cancel 20 days into your month. Makes sense! Thanks!! | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by ptrowski :It's not sad, burris. Usually a call to customer service is the easiest way. When I cancelled it was painless. I had my number ported, sent my email to cancel, sent my adapter, and it was done. After my BYGO term I went monthly. I think it is easier to have them move you to monthly billing if you are porting out to ensure you have your port 100% secure. Paying one extra month to ensure it is done is better, wouldn't you agree? Some logic there, but I don't think it really addressed my comments.
I think that if you search the posts for the last 2 years, you will see hundreds of posts both asking this question...interpretations of this question by others...insults heaped on some of the posters who dared question the providers motives...and let's not forget the bandwidth spent on trying to interpret the taxing structure, that I see is still in question.. Although you suggest a safe way, the sad part is that the ordinary folk have great difficulty as well as trepidation in either signing up or in trying to safely leave. | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by ptrowski :I would venture to guess that 99% of the questions could have been answered with an email or call before posting. Instead you have multiple parties offering multiple interpretations usually started in a thread where someone may/may not have searched the topics here. Like I usually suggested a call/email to the source usually clears it up. Not to dig too far into the past, but I'm sure you remember how interminably long it took for either a trouble ticket to be answered or how long you had to queue up on hold before a call was answered. Some of those times were so long, the customer would have had to renew for another year to connect to someone.  And the price was the same then as it is now.. | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel Wow, thanks guys for bringing some life back to the VT forum. This is a little like the old days, except that all of you are on other providers. I'm still here, service working fine and not willing to risk messing with the WAF to chase a few pennies.
It is nice to see that there are a few people I can count on to jump into the fray when there is a chance for a visit from the Ghost of VT past.
To borrow from another thread in another forum, I think I'll go make some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show. | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by unknvoip :Wow, thanks guys for bringing some life back to the VT forum. This is a little like the old days, except that all of you are on other providers. I'm still here, service working fine and not willing to risk messing with the WAF to chase a few pennies. It is nice to see that there are a few people I can count on to jump into the fray when there is a chance for a visit from the Ghost of VT past. To borrow from another thread in another forum, I think I'll go make some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show. Good for you, I'm happy, the CEO needs someone to keep his sports cars on the road at all costs, lol. | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by 44402812 :Good for you, I'm happy, the CEO needs someone to keep his sports cars on the road at all costs, lol. I am thrilled to have your approval, Champ, but I hardly doubt my phone bills are keeping Brendan's car habit going.  | |
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| said by 44402812 :said by unknvoip :Wow, thanks guys for bringing some life back to the VT forum. This is a little like the old days, except that all of you are on other providers. I'm still here, service working fine and not willing to risk messing with the WAF to chase a few pennies. It is nice to see that there are a few people I can count on to jump into the fray when there is a chance for a visit from the Ghost of VT past. To borrow from another thread in another forum, I think I'll go make some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show. Good for you, I'm happy, the CEO needs someone to keep his sports cars on the road at all costs, lol. I would rather have his sports car than a motor scooter. Last time I checked VT was not a non-profit organization.
I agree with no_one, you have someone that asked a question and the same thing happens every time.
So when you got the cut and paste of the TOS chemie and asked for clarification what was their response? -- "So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel I have typically found that it is easier to post in these forums than submit a ticket. However, this time I submitted a ticket and got my answer within a few minutes (posted here to help others), and only got grief on this forum... Nice... I understand why people don't post here anymore. There are still a few that help around here (you know who you are) but other than that it is nothing but a flame fest! | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by Aveamantium :However, this time I submitted a ticket and got my answer within a few minutes (posted here to help others), and only got grief on this forum... Nice... I understand why people don't post here anymore. There are still a few that help around here (you know who you are) but other than that it is nothing but a flame fest! Been that way for several months now. Have a couple uses that should have been banned some time ago. Why the flaming and trolling is allowed to continue is beyond me. Maybe being a premium member gets you a free pass. Guess the only option is to ignore them but then someone quotes the text anyway so it really doesn't help.
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| Actually, it is a motorcycle. A scooter does not go 110 MPH, but then again I noticed most people here can't take a joke or veer OT without getting the facts straight. If ViaTalk is non-for-profit then post your proof, don't just assume. Even the CEO can be a real jerk! I guess water seeps its own level? JMHO | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel said by ptrowski :said by 44402812 :Actually, it is a motorcycle. A scooter does not go 110 MPH, but then again I noticed most people here can't take a joke or veer OT without getting the facts straight. If ViaTalk is non-for-profit then post your proof, don't just assume. Even the CEO can be a real jerk! I guess water seeps its own level? JMHO I was making a comparison between two vehicles. How about a 10 speed bike vs a sports car? I also assumed that they are a "for profit" company. I need proof that they are looking to make money? Yeah but why? unknvoip was replying to me not you? He got my joke regarding Brenden posting of his car. No harm was meant by it. So let it drop! Why make a comparison about anything? BTW I also drive a Mazda Maita so ya can make fun of that also? | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel O okay thanks for clearing that up. If you have seen some of the PMs he has sent people in the past you would understand. For someone that is a "CEO" he does not act like it? JMHO? Anyway, your right dude I'm just going to let it drop and apologize to ya. Just going to try to bite my tongue on this type of thread As far as starting my own VoIp? No way in hell! To much grief, look at nitzan the poor guy. Your a consultant right? Why don't ya tell ViaTalk it is not good business to charge cancellation fees with the economy being so bad? Thanks | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel I am not a consultant, I place them.
Many places have a cancellation fee. Heck, even Phonepower has one, but I assume you forgot that.
"If this Agreement is terminated prior to the end of a Contract Subscriber's Contract Term, such Contract Subscriber must pay, in addition to all fees and other charges accrued or otherwise payable under the terms of this Agreement, an early termination fee in the amount of ninety-nine dollars($99.00) ("Early Termination Fee") or the remainder of the contract amount, whichever is less." -- "So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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1 edit | Re: Procedure to Cancel said by ptrowski :I am not a consultant, I place them. Many places have a cancellation fee. Heck, even Phonepower has one, but I assume you forgot that. "If this Agreement is terminated prior to the end of a Contract Subscriber's Contract Term, such Contract Subscriber must pay, in addition to all fees and other charges accrued or otherwise payable under the terms of this Agreement, an early termination fee in the amount of ninety-nine dollars($99.00) ("Early Termination Fee") or the remainder of the contract amount, whichever is less." I just got this email from PhonePower! Thanks for bringing that up potrowski:
Thank you for your inquiry. There are no cancellation fees for the service. The early termination fee is to terminate a contract between the customer and Phone Power. The early termination fee is assessed for contract plans only. Regular month to month plans can be cancelled at any time with 30 days written notice with no cancellation fee.
Regards, jimw Customer Support, Business Account Specialist 888-607-6937 Extension 4430 | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel Who wants some? | |
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2 edits | Re: Procedure to Cancel said by unknvoip :Who wants some? I want some... Can I get some beer nuts as well  | |
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1 edit | said by burris :said by ptrowski :It's not sad, burris. Usually a call to customer service is the easiest way. When I cancelled it was painless. I had my number ported, sent my email to cancel, sent my adapter, and it was done. After my BYGO term I went monthly. I think it is easier to have them move you to monthly billing if you are porting out to ensure you have your port 100% secure. Paying one extra month to ensure it is done is better, wouldn't you agree? Some logic there, but I don't think it really addressed my comments. I think that if you search the posts for the last 2 years, you will see hundreds of posts both asking this question...interpretations of this question by others...insults heaped on some of the posters who dared question the providers motives...and let's not forget the bandwidth spent on trying to interpret the taxing structure, that I see is still in question.. Although you suggest a safe way, the sad part is that the ordinary folk have great difficulty as well as trepidation in either signing up or in trying to safely leave. I feel ya burris, it is very sad to have to go through all the hoops. I spent an hour on the phone to cancel ViaTalk. The 50.00 cancellation fee after prepaying for a year I feel is BS as well? Now I'm with another provider and am thankful if I ever have to cancel I won't be nickel and dimed to death! | |
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| said by burris :It certainly seems sad that paying customers must go through all these machinations in order to survive. It should be obvious that the TOS is so obscure that only until one needs to change something, do the answers surface...and even then, the ones who have been around for years have a number of interpretations. Just read the voluminous posts. One would have thought that by now, the picture would be crystal clear. I bet some actually sort of know the process. They want a last jab at I am leaving told you so. Here is how to do it so others can follow me. Lets flee the sinking ship. It must be bad I am leaving hurry and follow me. Lets rehash old threads so I can whine one last time.
This is not against anyone specific, just in general about always bringing up how to leave. Could work with other providers also. | |
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| It's like a bad breakup. Whine and complain before leaving. Then take forever leaving and want to know how to do it. I need the support or others. Please agree with me and leave also. Then come back later to say why does anyone else want to date my ex. I didn't like them why should you. Plus whine that someone owning a company thinks they can own a better car than you. It is not the American way. We should all drive yugos. They are a private company. No monopoly and tons of competition. | |
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join:2005-01-01 Midland, MI | I did post a ticket with my question and all I got was a cut-paste of TOS. | |
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1 edit | Well, thanks for hi-jacking my post as I never did get the answers but there is certainly a lot of back and forth on totally unrelated topics...
Anyway, number ported so I submited a ticket to return the hardware and put that inside the box and mailed it off. I will cancel in a week after it arrives there.
See you later VT forums.. | |
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| Re: Procedure to Cancel I believe your specific question was answered in the second post by dmolavi : »Re: Procedure to Cancel
Simply submit a ticket to cancel and return the equipment, was the point of the two links provided - and that is essentially what you have done.
Of course, then some other discussions ensued, some relevant, some not. Some would call it entertainment, some not. Either way, I think the topic was covered as well as some other related discussion.
Now I am off to try to figure out why, when offered popcorn, a guest thinks its ok to request beer nuts. Kind of like trying to get a sports car on a scooter budget. | |
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