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 ·Insight Communic..
| reply to Ark
Re: haha How many pairs in the drop wire is irrevelant.if the main lines bring the dialtone to ur pole/ped dont have 2-3 spair pairs for every house it has to serve, the pair bonding wont be possable. Just because a main like has several pairs 50,100,200, ect dont mean they are all useable too. Ever had static on issues with your line? Alot of times the tech will find a better pair to move you over too. Some of this stuff is dating back to the bell days with lead sheeting, and poor splices and repairs. |
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 Ark
join:2002-06-08
Ada, MI
·Comcast
| I don't think that applies with VRADs, where they are using Fiber to the VRAD, not a copper path all the way back to the CO. Perhaps if you are far from the VRAD, and there are still some of those little cross-connect boxes in the path, your 2nd/3rd pair don't make it all the way back to the VRAD, but around here, they seem to put a VRAD right next to every cross-connect box. I don't work for AT&T though, so I don't really know how far they go. Still, AT&T is taking a pretty incremental approach. They laid fiber to the VRAD, and if they want to move to VDSL2+ with pair bonding, they can probably lay a little bit more fiber, get a little closer to each house, and ensure that they get close enough to reach the drop wires directly so all pairs are usable. Then, they can still move slowly to fiber directly into the home, without having to dig up any of the old fiber from the first stages. |
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Reviews:
·Insight Communic..
| They wouldent dig up the fiber, the vrad would just get converted to a fibewr splice cabnet, and if need be, the vrad removed entirly, and just a burried access vault, that are near most vrads anyways be put in. The biggest cost right now would be the conduit between each pedistal. I just taked to a buddy i have at T and theres an area they has gotten the copper stolen so many times, they even hired security guards to atch that section, the thiefs waited out the guards aftera month, and stole it again. AT&T finaly decided to put the wire in conduit. at the tune of $10,000 dollars.
T needs to start now running the fiber while labor's cheep and possably materials as well, before inflation hits. They gotta start eventually, the longer the wait the more expensive its gonna get when the enonomy rebounds and labor isent as cheep, and there still subs to hold on to. |
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 tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:5
 ·Fairpoint Commun..
 ·Hollis Hosting
| reply to Ark
said by Ark:Perhaps if you are far from the VRAD, and there are still some of those little cross-connect boxes in the path, your 2nd/3rd pair don't make it all the way back to the VRAD, but around here, they seem to put a VRAD right next to every cross-connect box. The problem is feeder cable size from cross connect box to customer. The whole ideal of using FTTC VRADs is to eliminate need to run fiber all the way to the customer. If they run out of copper pair and need to install more economic model falls apart.
This happened once before during the heyday of dialup modems. Lots of hard core data users opted for second phone line - causing local copper shortages in many locations.
/tom |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to OSUGoose
said by OSUGoose:I just taked to a buddy i have at T and theres an area they has gotten the copper stolen so many times, they even hired security guards to atch that section, the thiefs waited out the guards aftera month, and stole it again. AT&T finaly decided to put the wire in conduit. at the tune of $10,000 dollars. Um, how do you steal copper off poles without the neighbors' cooperation? Where do you get a cherry picker? Or nobody notices there is no utility company name on the side of your cherry picker?
I think it would be pretty easy for the cops to look up through the DMV every cherry picker owned by a small business or private individual in a 50 mile radius. |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | reply to tschmidt
said by tschmidt:said by Ark:Perhaps if you are far from the VRAD, and there are still some of those little cross-connect boxes in the path, your 2nd/3rd pair don't make it all the way back to the VRAD, but around here, they seem to put a VRAD right next to every cross-connect box. The problem is feeder cable size from cross connect box to customer. The whole ideal of using FTTC VRADs is to eliminate need to run fiber all the way to the customer. If they run out of copper pair and need to install more economic model falls apart. This happened once before during the heyday of dialup modems. Lots of hard core data users opted for second phone line - causing local copper shortages in many locations. /tom And I would assume today the inverse is happening. The 2nd line is going away and probably very rapidly and those 2nd lines are still in there. |
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from how de described it, the line was buried, but a creek ran over a section of it and kept exposing it, and they would rip that up all the way till it starts to go back up a pole. i havent gone by there to see exactly how/what yet. |
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tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:5 Reviews:
·Fairpoint Commun..
·Hollis Hosting
| reply to cwh
said by cwh: I would assume today the inverse is happening. The 2nd line is going away and probably very rapidly and those 2nd lines are still in there. Good point. Had forgotten Telcos are Hemorrhaging land line customers.
/tom |
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