dazedandconfused
@rogers.com
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Re: [ Extreme] Has Rogers ever shut any one down for overusage?
Really. It puts me in mind of people who post comments like "P2P is only used for theft". Let me give you an example. I recently purchased two used HP laptops off ebay. Both come with legit XP home edition bulk licenses and a proprietary recovery software (with drivers specific to each laptop). The laptops didn't have harddrives, battery(s) or RAM. So. I'm stuck? I purchased the laptops that are still under warranty, but I can't get a recovery disk because HP no longer supports that model. And the system have legitimate XP licenses, but I don't have XP home. Therefore, I'm at a loss even though I have a legal right to own both of these items? So. Without P2P, I'd be SOL. Though I have the right to own this software and recover the systems. |
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dirtyjeffer
Merry Christmas
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join:2002-02-21
London, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| yea, i am sure that happens all the time. 
downloading a copy of XP that you should "legally" own is understandable...that doesn't account for hundreds of gigs per month, every month.
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xgmranti
join:2005-10-31
Almonte, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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| reply to crazlunatic
Re: [ Extreme] Has Rogers ever shut any one down for overusage?
The sadness is people continue to debate about completely pointless issues in ethics and law when compared to the far more severe problems within society.
As far as I know, I haven't heard of anyone getting kicked off. I've hit 500GB consistently a few times and exceed the cap to varying degrees each month. Using Extreme Plus service. |
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KPaul
join:2007-02-08 | reply to dirtyjeffer
Re: [ Extreme] Has Rogers ever shut any one down for overusage?
but still illegal?
seems you have some points of your own you need to work out. |
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idlewillkill
Go Blue
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join:2005-09-28
North York, ON
1 edit | reply to crazlunatic
I can understand arguments such as DJs; that said:
1) I doubt many, if any of us are squeaky-clean in what we download, or for that matter, upload over the interwebs.
2) Given that ISPs concern themselves as far as bit caps go, with how much is transferred rather than what is transferred, it's not germane to these discussions.
Whether someone's dropping 1 TB a month on hentai toons or linux distros, it has the same impact on the network. |
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Demonoid
@rogers.com
| reply to crazlunatic
Rogers should seriously consider upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0 and switch to fibre-optics. In the US they're paying $50 for 10/2 line with UNMETERED connections, now that's a value. It's kinda sad, we're getting ripped off downloading some 100gb, while people next to us downloading terabytes and laughing at us. Thanks to greedy Rogers and Bell. |
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Poser
join:2002-07-28
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I was kicked off rogers during the @home days. Back then the max upload speed was 40kB/s, but I was able to get over 800kB/s. I would send large files to my friends and family. When you upload at 800kB/s during peak times, it pisses off a lot of people. People complained, they looked into it, and I got kicked off for degrading the service. So it wasn't for over usage, because back then everything was unlimited. |
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dirtyjeffer
Merry Christmas
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join:2002-02-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to Demonoid
said by Demonoid :
Rogers should seriously consider upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0 and switch to fibre-optics. In the US they're paying $50 for 10/2 line with UNMETERED connections, now that's a value. It's kinda sad, we're getting ripped off downloading some 100gb, while people next to us downloading terabytes and laughing at us. Thanks to greedy Rogers and Bell.
upgrading costs millions of dollars...why should i pay more (through price increases) so you can download 2 TB per month of crap...my internet works just fine...go buy your movies and music - that is why they make it.
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| said by dirtyjeffer  :go buy your movies and music - that is why they make it. is this the same guy who said the following just a day or two ago.
said by dirtyjeffer :I bought a CD (Yea, I know, I could have downloaded it for free). Are you telling me that you bought a CD that was available to download for free ! can you provide us a link to said treasure? |
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KrappyInternet
@rogers.com | reply to dirtyjeffer
You're going to pay more regardless and for less service. |
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dirtyjeffer
Merry Christmas
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join:2002-02-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by KrappyInternet :You're going to pay more regardless and for less service. no, i pay less than i paid Bell and get 2.5 times faster service...no issues either.
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dirtyjeffer
Merry Christmas
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join:2002-02-21
London, ON | reply to Stewy
yea, i could have downloaded the disc, but that isn't right...i did the right thing and purchased it.  |
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KPaul
join:2007-02-08 | reply to crazlunatic
legally, if you own a copy of the windows key, you cannot download a copy of the cd to supplement it.
99% sure of that |
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to dirtyjeffer
said by dirtyjeffer :that doesn't account for hundreds of gigs per month, every month. those hundreds of gigs come from hordes piggybacking on wireless connections. Sometimes people are unaware sometimes it's deliberate. |
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dirtyjeffer
Merry Christmas
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join:2002-02-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| there might be a few of those out there, but there are plenty of people in here who openly admit to downloading hundreds of GB or even a couple of TB per month of stuff.
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| The point is that ISPs speak out of both sides of their mouths.
They say they don't want people downloading unlimited, and yet provide a pricing scheme that promotes, for a relatively nominal sum, just that!
ISPs currently have in their arsenal of weapons in the terms and conditions of use a clause related to the use of the service to transfer copyright material. This is why they are doing the "notice and notice" thing with the copyright holders.
It's very important to remember too that most stuff on the net is protected by copyright ... these very pages are copyright 1999-2009 dslreports.com! The fact remains that copyright in this digital age is very hard to define, to define license and to enforce.
The recording and motion picture industry associations have gone about protecting the copyright by agressive means that we rarely see in the printed media (although it is done occasionally). But the industry wants ISPs to be their police force. |
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vintagewino
join:2003-07-22
Grimsby, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·magicjack.com
·Look Communications
| reply to dirtyjeffer
said by dirtyjeffer :there might be a few of those out there, but there are plenty of people in here who openly admit to downloading hundreds of GB or even a couple of TB per month of stuff.
To me, the legality of the material is irrelevant. I have a 200GB limit, and haven't even come remotely close to even approaching that limit.
But, given the general consensus that cable being faster (let's use 8000), a quick calculation tells me that still works out to something over 50 hours to d/l 200G+. Not to mention the time required to catalog and store the above mentioned files. That person must either not: (a) sleep, (b) work, and/or (c) have a life.
I'm involved in a service where a device can generate approximately 4G of data to be sent to storage within a typically busy working day (99.99% of this data is images, the remaining is automatic cataloguing, billing, history, etc.). Even they have a problem of exceeding 200GB in a month.
Even going whacko with my 12MP camera, and 8GB cards ... I donno ... |
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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| reply to KPaul
said by KPaul :legally, if you own a copy of the windows key, you cannot download a copy of the cd to supplement it. 99% sure of that You shouldn't have to, if it's a retail copy you can call Microsoft for a replacement disc for a nominal fee, same with computer manufacturers, most of them still offer disc replacements. |
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