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1 edit | I have so little faith that government can do anything right
Due to massive corruption anything that is done will be based on whatever incumbent providers want. Spine or not, Congress pulls the purse strings and votes on this stuff and every member has been bought and paid for by corporate America.
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| said by Bit  :due to massive corruption that anything that it done will be based on whatever incumbent providers want. Spine or not, Congress pulls the purse strings and votes on this stuff and every member has been bought and paid for by corporate America. Thats certainly a cynical veiwpoint. However, the fact that I concur to a certain degree is actually kind of sad! On the other hand, this is also an opportunity to make some actual progress. We'll see...
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| said by S_engineer :Thats certainly a cynical veiwpoint. However, the fact that I concur to a certain degree is actually kind of sad! On the other hand, this is also an opportunity to make some actual progress. We'll see... Cough*amtrak*cough.
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00000 | Just about every government program is a disaster of waste and inefficiency especially now that they're being given blank checks with no transparency or oversight.
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PapaMidnight
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Cynical or not, past history tell us its true. How about that "LANDMARK HEALTH CARE BILL" of 2005...? |
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| said by PapaMidnight :Cynical or not, past history tell us its true. How about that "LANDMARK HEALTH CARE BILL" of 2005...? True, maybe...but whats the alternative?
The megacarriers have also proven that they can't build this innitiative on their own. Billions in tax credits were given to these carriers during the Clinton era, and few rewards were seen in rural areas. Few carriers do their own upgrades without pulling the teeth of shareholders, and some carriers only consider surgical upgrades to specific areas rather than system-wide. Yes there are some that stand above, but they get associated with the cutthroats like Time-Warner.
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said by Bit :Due to massive corruption anything that is done will be based on whatever incumbent providers want. Spine or not, Congress pulls the purse strings and votes on this stuff and every member has been bought and paid for by corporate America. Don't blame you. Republicans have been in charge far too long. What else do you expect but bad government when people who despise the role of government get into government and sabotage it from the inside out?
Government can be an instrument of good. The 1996 telecom act would have resulted in a lot of competition and lower prices for consumers....had telcos and republicans not gutted it over the years.
This is great news!
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said by Bit :Just about every government program is a disaster of waste and inefficiency especially now that they're being given blank checks with no transparency or oversight. Any government program with the words "Universal", "Landmark", or "Social" in its title means trouble and higher taxes. Not to mention the fact that they all turn out to be money pits with no accountability.
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| said by wifi4milez :said by Bit :Just about every government program is a disaster of waste and inefficiency especially now that they're being given blank checks with no transparency or oversight. Any government program with the words "Universal", "Landmark", or "Social" in its title means trouble and higher taxes. Not to mention the fact that they all turn out to be money pits with no accountability. or worse, something that will inevitably lead to our bankruptcy...amazing how far we are along this path and the SS+medicare problem is still ignored. *sigh* |
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Wow, so you think that just because the Republicans don't run the show now then the government can be "an instrument of good". Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans and take just as much money from special interests. This new telco project will do nothing but raise taxes and create an even bigger tax debt on the American people. |
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Bit
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Unlike GM, the government can simply mandate higher "revenues" as our Governator calls them. Revenues have replaced taxes in California just as "undocumented" has replaced "illegal" here.
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said by Huh :
Wow, so you think that just because the Republicans don't run the show now then the government can be "an instrument of good".
Yes.
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Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans
There are corrupt democrats and honest republicans. But, by and large, Republicans are greedy, selfish rich people or ignorant rednecks who are in it for themselves while Democrats actually stop and think about others once in a while. I'll take the latter any day.
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raise taxes
Aah. The tried and true, and tired, republican cliche - the tax boogie monster. A) Shit costs money...taxes are a fact of civilized life. You want roads, military and running water? Pay taxes...or go live in an impoverished developing country where none of those things exist. and B) The vast majority of poor republicans who get scared into supporting this bullshit would be better off under democratic policies. A single mom who is a truck driver from Alabama making 40k a year needs single-payer health care...not a "healthcare savings account".
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Corruption isn't exclusive to either party.
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kapil
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said by Bit :Unlike GM, the government can simply mandate higher "revenues" as our Governator calls them. Revenues have replaced taxes in California just as "undocumented" has replaced "illegal" here. That's what happens when you hire pretty people, regardless of their competence on the subject matter, to do important jobs.
You have millions of illegal immigrants because Reagan allowed them in. That's where this bullshit really started.
You don't like the economic mess? ...shouldn't have fired the last governor who was doing a hell of a job managing the shitty hand he was dealt. You want a movie star, you got it! Sadly, real life is a little harder to manage than movies....no stunt doubles here.
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said by Bit :Corruption isn't exclusive to either party. I didn't say it was. But an ideology that promotes the rich getting richer while the poor suffer is very corrupt and morally bankrupt....and only one party peddles those wares.
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Reagan hasn't been president in 20 years. The majority of illegals currently here came to California long after 1988.
Davis was a joke who made California the mess it is with his endless union giveaways. Davis grew California gov't at a rate far exceeding population and inflation.
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The ideology that would steal even more from those who produce to give it to those who won't is even more morally bankrupt and corrupt.
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kapil
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said by Bit :Reagan hasn't been president in 20 years. The majority of illegals currently here came to California long after 1988. Davis was a joke who made California the mess it is with his endless union giveaways. Engaging in a a little historic revisionism, are we? Do your research...Reagan's immigration policy was a disaster. And Davis was handed an actual crisis after the dot com crash...made much worse by Enron's fraudulent energy price manipulation....a byproduct of deregulation championed by republicans. Given the shitty deal he was dealt, he was doing pretty good.
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kapil
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said by Bit :The ideology that would steal even more from those who produce to give it to those who won't is even more morally bankrupt and corrupt. What do the likes of Angelo Mozillo and Bernie Madoff produce except fake wealth that only benefits them and theirs while screwing everyone else?
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Davis wasn't handed shit. He increased gov't spending at rates far exceeding combined population and inflation.
Democrats have run the California legislature since Christ was a corporal, so don't try and pin California's disaster on Republicans.
California is the result of applied Obamanomics.
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