http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521233 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:56:47 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:56:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22527176 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22527176 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:59:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526488 said by iansltx:

$90 per month vs. $100. $0 setup vs. $300 setup. If CV kills the setup fee I'd expect VZ to respond in a speedy fashion to stay on top.
Not true, I got VZ for the internet first, then added TV. My FiOS internet is rock solid and reliable. I started with 10/2 and now upgraded to 20/5 and I get those speeds consistently. I used to have Cox & Comcast cable and the net was going down all the time. It was really a mess how often something would cause the system to go down & during peak hours your speeds would slow to a crawl.

Don't get me wrong, I love FiOS TV in all its HD glory....but the real gem is the internet service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526488 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:39:06 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526088
I think the point is that only until faster pipes are available for everyone will services start to be developed that actually make use of those pipes. You can't claim "there are no services" until there is actually an incentive for those services to come online.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526088 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:51:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526345 --
lovswr = good hivswr = bad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526345 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:43:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526183 said by RadioDoc:

Not necessarily. An unreliable 4 to 6 megabits from Comcast doesn't beat much of anything.
Comcast and Lovin' it! Can't wait for D3.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22526183 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:53:44 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22525130 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22525130 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:17:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524957 Good side of Cloud computing is that those centralized upgrades will take no time.... I'm sure there's more to it but I'm rather too lazy to dig further.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524957 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:44:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524905 said by vinnie97:

Yes, AT&T is abysmal...now combine them with TWC as the two incumbent providers and things can't get much worse (welcome to hell...Dallas, TX metro area and many points to the east).
...and West. Here in much of Metro Los Angeles as well...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524905 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:33:23 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524793
By cloud computing I mean having your applications, data and even computing power hosted elsewhere in a scalable fashion. That's about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524793 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:08:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524741
It amazes me how much AT&T still charges for a basic voice line with no features. It's also amazing how much they charge for features that cost them absolutely nothing to implement. It's all built into the switch and even though they've recovered those switch costs years ago, they still price them like a theme park soda.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524741 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:59:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524675 said by iansltx:

Used any of 'em? They're quite solid if you ask me, and will get even better as more bandwidth is available. Seriously, bandwidth is the big limiting factor here. Chick-and-egg problem.
Yes, I have. I've also researched building applications on top of them and right now, they are very immature and aren't revolutionary at all. They provide the ability to access massive amounts of processing power fairly cheaply, but the back end is nothing more than commonly available open source solutions. (Minus Microsoft's Azure, I haven't seen that one yet but I imagine it's just Server 2008.)

Anyone with a little Linux know-how can throw a LAMP platform together and achieve the same basic principle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524675 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:47:36 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524617 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524617 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:35:52 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524539 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524539 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:19:04 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524183
On the business side of things, I could give you examples of awesome systems that are bandwidth-hungry, if you're interested :) Just finished talking with a guy here in town that's going to try bringing serious bandwidth into town for this purpose. He and I actually want to do many of the same things, and fat pipes are required for his IT solutions.

On the cloud side, my primary computer just shut off last night. Have to drive about 60 miles to the Apple store to see what's wrong with it. Fortunately I have much of my stuff on GMail, however my Adobe CS4 install is sitting on that computer. I'm at a local coffee shop to download Photoshop CS4 trial to get the work done I need to. It's a cable connection but bandwidht is much better than at home 9WISP). However on uploads things still take a bit.

If I had this connection, but symmetric, I'd be happy (15/15). 10 Mbps up? Not so much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524183 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:28:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524000 said by iansltx:

One word: cloud. Actually two words: cloud computing. When yu get more people wanting to "live in the cloud" upload speed differences will be noticeable. It's all about what applications you want to run over the pipe. Right now there are apps that like more bandwidth than is available over even a DOCSIS 3 cable connection...
Cloud Computing is years and years away. Aside from video, people can store all their files in the cloud right now on most connections anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22524000 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:59:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523358
...oh wait, FiOS doesn't like to go into AT&T areas :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523358 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:12:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523353
Verizon, with FiOS, provides superior service on that triple play. Thus they get custoemrs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523353 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:11:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523331 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523331 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:09:07 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523323 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523323 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:07:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523320 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523320 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:07:04 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523316 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523316 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:06:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523008 said by sonicmerlin:

If it were true that people are happy with their slow upload speeds, then DSL companies wouldn't be hemorrhaging customers to cable. If that were true Verizon wouldn't have bothered spending $23 billion on fiber rollout. DSL can achieve decent download rates, but upload-wise it fails miserably.
DSL is typically not cheaper than cable. So all things being equal, cable is generally less expensive. Especially if you figure in the discount for multiple services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22523008 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:18:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522859 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522859 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:53:37 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522711 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522711 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:37:20 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522444 I think they do care but their choice are limited
Why would I go with comcast at 42.95 for 6/1 when I can get 20/20 for 69.99

In my area comcast only offer 6/1 and 8/2
You probably want to laugh too

att formerly sbc is even worse then comcast thought their cheaper you get slower speed, 3.0/512k then 1.5/384k recently
due to stricter speed caps because the technician are playing guessing game called setting speed base on distance. DSL is obsolete, slow and a waste of investment

comcast have no problems kicking a few user off their network because we use more bandwidth
i would have to limit my computer use with comcast or face disconnect. what kind of attitude is that?
as for comcast user, you may as well go to the library frequently to conseve bandwidth for comcast subscriber
It is obvious that comcast network are limited in bandwidth usage, especially the upload. their network capacity is so small that they can't offer similar speed to fios
hence the same limit with 50/10 tier for 99.95 a month
its a scam to make more profits for the investor or insider
not very exciting... its like a faster car but you're only given 10 gallons of gas to drive per month so you can't go any further then those with slower car.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522444 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:37:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522330 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522330 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:19:04 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522086
If video conferencing or some other upstream dependent application emerges, then FiOS will have the upper hand, but for now, people want inexpensive and companies want to improve their bottom line. Comcast is in a better position to do that.

FWIW, I am a HUGE Verizon fan and I think they made the right decision to go all-fiber now. I just think in the current economic situation, Comcast is better positioned to reap the rewards of lower consumer spending.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22522086 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:43:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521981 said by Matt:

Contrary to popular belief here, whomever offers the least expensive service and makes the most profit per customer is the winner. So while FiOS may be a superior product in all aspects, I'd say Comcast (for the foreseeable future) will actually have the last laugh.
I'm laughing at those who will pay for 50/10 which is no better then 10/10 for a lot less with fiber service
Even 20/20 for 69.99 by surewest or verizon is a lot better value
a symmetric connection is a lot more useful then asymmetric
even 15/15 vs 50/10, many would go with 15/15 for the same price
don't give us excessive download and mediocre upload to fool us because smart user aren't that gullible]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521981 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:29:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521447 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521447 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:19:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521405
Honestly most people I know who have FiOS got it for the TV service. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521405 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:12:21 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521392
The slowest POS service from Comcast is better than a non-existant VZ service, right?
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Think outside the Fox... Opera]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521392 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:10:50 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521280
Bottom line: when FiOS rolls out to an area Comcast, even with the new 50 mbps pricing and DOCSIS 3, is the losing party. If CC decides to go with 100 Mbps, Verizon simply reprovisions their packages and wins again. Though at this point who really cares above 50 Mbps symmetric except large businesses? Oh wait, "symmetric" isn't in Comcast's vocabulary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Competition-22521280 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:52:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Competition-22521233 --
"Citius, Altius, Fortius" [Faster, Higher, Stronger]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Competition-22521233 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:45:52 EDT