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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/829195"><b>Carr</b></A> : LOLOLOLOL.  Yep..... <br><br>Well.... I run Linux and have run both Linux and Windows for many years.... I stay out of the flame wars...I like SUSe but there are a lot of good distros out there.... as we speak Im loading XP Pro on VMWare on my Linux laptop.  Ah well. <br><br>I dont have a dog in the fight :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Carr <A HREF="/useremail/u/829195"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Yeah Matt I think you're right......and after  an oil change or tires or brake pad replacement then you would have to re verify the Windoze installation and if it failed then you would spend 4 hours on the phone with someone in  some other part of the world swearing that you were who you were supposed to be and the car wasnt a pirated clone.......<br></div>I feel like the "Windows Defender&trade;" sometimes, but let's be fair. Out of hundreds (or perhaps thousands) of installs I've done, I've had to call Microsoft for one machine and the whole process took all of 5 whopping minutes. And they have no idea where or how you've installed it, only that the hardware hash doesn't match. I've used my laptop's XP OEM key across all sorts of machines I play with at home and yet, not a single problem having MS re-activate it. Same with the original Office 2007 key I have. I activated it numerous times throughout the history of my machines, yet I've never had them deny me a re-activation. (And to be honest, it's been activated a few times on machines that aren't even mine. You get 10 activations before you have to call.)<br><br>If you have an issue with Microsoft requiring you to activate your software, deride that based upon its own merits, but when you (not literally you, a figuratively you) exaggerate how horrible the activation process is, you make it harder for me to suggest an open source product for a project because it creates a bad perception of Linux as a whole. I've run into this first hand numerous times in my career and had to fight to implement the Linux solution. I won all of them minus a single Fortune 500 company. I wasn't allowed to mention open source (the word Linux specifically) when I described the technical aspects of the project. I almost had to deploy JBoss on Windows Server because of it. Yikes!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/829195"><b>Carr</b></A> : Yeah Matt I think you're right......and after  an oil change or tires or brake pad replacement then you would have to re verify the Windoze installation and if it failed then you would spend 4 hours on the phone with someone in  some other part of the world swearing that you were who you were supposed to be and the car wasnt a pirated clone.......<br><br>OTOH  I ve got to get out of here... I ve been worried about EMP for a while and brain waves from cellular towers and my tinfoil hat itches in this heat! A good dose of EMP would reduce a lot of this useless stuff we all follow back to some pretty shelf ornaments  and it would be back to points, condenser and capillary tube gauges..... simpler way of life eh? I wonder what EMP would do to dental fillings... ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ropeguru <A HREF="/useremail/u/295948"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>You know, all these computer controlled gadgets in in cars now are great until you run into the rogue EMP. <br><br>Then what do you do?  :o :o :o<br> </div>In a Microsoft controlled vehicle you'd get the dreaded 'BDoD'. The Blue Dashboard of Death.<br><br>Then you'd need to call MS, convince them that you are the vehicle title owner, and get permission from them to restart it.<br> </div>As opposed to Linux, where you'd have to post in a forum, wait 3 days for a reply, only to be told the EMP recovery feature is going to be added in the next release. In the mean time feel free to code the feature yourself.<br><br>Seriously though, have you used Sync? It's really slick and the execution is quite impressive for a MS product. Hopefully we'll see some alternatives start to arrive on the scene that are executed equally as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : I deleted this. Please recycle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : Never mind. Forget it.<br><br><small>matunga, really. geez.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><b>Steve</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Please bicker about who's e-penis is longer elsewhere. </div>But in terms of <b>shortest</b>, that would be  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :-)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : (replying to the original post, but to all)<br><br>This is my favorite forum.  Not only is it dedicated to a topic I care about and use daily, it almost never requires any moderation.  How we got from a prototype design for an embedded Linux device to a spat over compromised Windows devices is beyond me..<br><br>Please bicker about who's e-penis is longer elsewhere.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN, matunga. I promise! Geez!<br><br>Yes, I strongly support FOSS. Guilty.<br>Yes, I find many of MS' well documented tactics unappealing and frequently skirting legality, if not plunging overboard. Groklaw and numerous others have published the sordid details over the years.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Steve <A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Lurkarooski   :</small><br><br> I think you owe  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> an apology for that comparison. </div> As do I; this is not even close.</div>Thank you, you are gentlemen. Sorry about being strident, Steve.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Although I think both methods are disingenuous.</div>strident - loud, harsh, grating, or shrill; discordant. See Synonyms at loud, vociferous.<br>vociferous - loud and forceful<br>disingenuous - not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating<br><br>Disingenuous? I strive to be accurate and clear.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>So if I offended anyone, I apologize.</div>Anyone in particular?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:58:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Steve <A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br> From what I have seen of both, neither are open minded to dissenting opinions. I was merely attempting to illustrate that Matunga is as anti-Linux as Sumware is anti-Microsoft. </div> No:  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> has a strident view, but he sticks around to at least attempt to defend his position.<br><br> matunga <A HREF="/useremail/u/847301"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> engages in drive-by shillery.<br> </div>I agree with that. Although I think both methods are disingenuous. <br><br>Regardless, it was tongue in cheek as I don't actually think they are the same person. So if I offended anyone, I apologize.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><b>Steve</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> From what I have seen of both, neither are open minded to dissenting opinions. I was merely attempting to illustrate that Matunga is as anti-Linux as Sumware is anti-Microsoft. </div> No:  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> has a strident view, but he sticks around to at least attempt to defend his position.<br><br> matunga <A HREF="/useremail/u/847301"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> engages in drive-by shillery.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Steve <A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Lurkarooski  :</small><br><br> I think you owe  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> an apology for that comparison. </div> As do I; this is not even close.<br> </div>From what I have seen of both, neither are open minded to dissenting opinions. I was merely attempting to illustrate that Matunga is as anti-Linux as Sumware is anti-Microsoft.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><b>Steve</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Lurkarooski :</small><br><br> I think you owe  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> an apology for that comparison. </div> As do I; this is not even close.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Personally, I think Sumware and Matunga are the same guy. They are both equally zealous if a bit misguided -- a ying and yang if you will.  :) </div>Now that's a low blow, no matter how you look at it.<br> <br> SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> may be an unabashed Linux advocate, but he will always engage in discussions of his posts, which are usually informative at least, and legitimate. Matunga's 'smear-and-run' posts are quite a different animal.<br> <br>I think you owe  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> an apology for that comparison.<br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Steve <A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You seem positively determined to make this about Microsoft, but it's not.</div><small>That sounds positively shilly there Steve</small>  :p<br><br>Personally, I think Sumware and Matunga are the same guy. They are both equally zealous if a bit misguided -- a ying and yang if you will.  :)<br><br>As to the original article, that's neat. Linux does a lot of neat things and is perfect for most embedded applications.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Santa Fe <A HREF="/useremail/u/189890"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>But how do you update it? Yast, Synaptic Package Manager, or Adept?  ;)</div>Ya know, one day that may be possible. After all, it is software. Why not develop specialized packages, region-specific, or adaptable upgrades for example?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/189890"><b>Santa Fe</b></A> : But how do you update it? Yast, Synaptic Package Manager, or Adept?  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ropeguru <A HREF="/useremail/u/295948"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Personally, I think the things it can do are great. But the looks of it are horrible.<br> </div><i>The design is said to be highly customizable by automotive OEMs, enabling a wide range of dashboard designs for entry-level to high-end cars.</i><br><br>And maybe further on 'down the road', with evolving Linux technology, OEMs might offer dash configuration systems similar to desktops. The car user could tailor dash elements and placement to individual preferences.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/295948"><b>ropeguru</b></A> : Personally, I think the things it can do are great. But the looks of it are horrible.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : Anyway, returning to our regularly scheduled program, here's another gauge pic to add to this thread topic.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/22534906?c=1438367&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjUyNzkzNC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="30443 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=450 HEIGHT=328 SRC="/r0/download/1438367~c0fc2cefd9ede838f1a4b6598810122e/Yazaki.jpeg"></A><br>Yazaki Concept Gauge</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><b>Steve</b></A> : You seem positively determined to make this about Microsoft, but it's not. I wrote about this <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22508671-">in the Security forum</a>, and the speculation:<div class="bquote"><small>said by your quoted article :</small><br><br>The hack is most likely inserted using a compromised card that when read by the ATM causes the infection to begin.</div>is almost certainly not true.<br><br>A magstripe card can hold at best 200 bytes of data, so getting 11k or so bytes of isadmin.exe onto the machine that way seems like a serious stretch.<br><br>But later we learn that this hack did indeed involve <A HREF="http://www.diebold.com/ATMs_illegalsoftware_Russia/default.htm">physically breaking into the machine</a> - that's how the bad stuff got installed into the OS. Once it's on the machine, no other details really matter.<br><br>Now I'm sympathetic to disbelieving anything Diebold says (shall we take a vote on that?), but I'm really, really skeptical how this could be done with a cardswipe.<br><br>---<br><br>The larger point here is that properly determining culpability is <b>important</b>, and it certainly has nothing to do with keeping a good image on the face of a favored vendor, or maintaining bragging rights in Linux <i>versus</i> Windows.<br><br>If you mis-assess the reason for a security compromise, you are less likely to take steps to protect <b>yourself</b> properly in the future by spending time on stuff that doesn't matter.<br><br>In the case of the ATM hack, it involved <b>physical access</b> and expertise in how the particular machines operated. Does anybody really believe that changing the OS to Linux would have made <b>any</b> difference to the skilled bad guys?<br><br>Steve<br><small>--<br>Stephen J. Friedl | Unix Wizard | Microsoft Security MVP | Orange County, California USA | <A HREF="http://www.unixwiz.net">my web site</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : From <A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/news/12423/flaw_in_xp_lets_malware_steal_pin_numbers/">TweakTown</a><br>June 5, 2009 -   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>Flaw in XP lets malware steal PIN Numbers</b><br><br>There is a hack that has been put into place on ATM (Automated Teller Machines)using windows XP as an OS that allows for malicious persons to recover account and PIN numbers directly from the machine.<br><br><b>The hack is most likely inserted using a compromised card that when read by the ATM causes the infection to begin. Once the virus is in play it replaces the isadmin.exe file which then replaces the lass.exe file.</b><br><br>Once the infection has run its course another &#147;control&#148; card can be used to harvest the information gathered. According to the report the card can even eject the cash box on the ATM.<hr></blockquote><br><br>From <A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42718/140/">TG Daily</a><br>June 04, 2009 -   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>Windows XP-Based ATMs Targeted by Hackers</b><br><br><b>The malware contains advanced management functionality allowing the attacker to gain full control of the compromised ATM through a customized user interface built into the malware. This is accessible by inserting controller cards into the ATM&#146;s card reader.</b><br><br>Analysts do not believe the malware includes networking functionality that would allow it to send harvested data to other, remote locations via the Internet, but does allow for the output of harvested card data via the ATM&#146;s receipt printer or by writing the data to an electronic storage device inserted into the ATM&#146;s card reader. Analysts also discovered code enabling the malware to eject the cash dispensing cassette.<br><br><b>"This malware is unlike any we have ever had experience with. It allows the attacker to gain complete control over the ATM to obtain track data, Pins and cash from each infected machine," said TrustWave.<br><br>"We believe the current attack vector is an early version of the malware sample, and future attacks will add functionality such as propagation via the ATM network. If an attacker can gain access to one machine, the malware will evolve and propagate automatically to other systems."</b><br><br>The malware is installed and activated through a dropper file called isadmin.exe. It is a Borland Delphi Rapid Application Development (RAD) executable.<br><br>Executing the dropper file produces the malware file lsass.exe within the C:\WINDOWS directory of the compromised system and does so via functionality provided by a Windows API. Once the malware is extracted, the dropper proceeds to manipulate the Protected Storage service that normally handles the legitimate lsass.exe executable, located in the C:\WINDOWS\system32 directory to point at the newly created malware.<br><br>The service is also configured to automatically restart in the event that it crashes, ensuring that the malware remains active.<hr></blockquote><br><br>From <A HREF="http://www.itpro.co.uk/611344/malware-allows-criminals-to-control-cash-machines">IT Pro</a><br>4 Jun 2009 -   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>Malware allows criminals to control cash machines</b><br><br><A HREF="https://www.trustwave.com/downloads/alerts/Trustwave-Security-Alert-ATM-Malware-Analysis-Briefing.pdf">Trustwave Report</a> (pdf)<br><i>The company also said that it had collected multiple versions of the malware and felt that over time it could evolve and infect a more widespread number of ATMs.</i><hr></blockquote><br><br>From <A HREF="http://www.bankinfosecurity.com/articles.php?art_id=1523">BankInfoSecurity</a><br>June 8, 2009 -   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>ATM Fraud: 7 Growing Threats to Financial Institutions<br><br>#7. Malware</b> -- That report from SpiderLabs isn't the only malware found. Sophos researchers in March say they found a Trojan specifically designed to steal information from Diebold ATM users</b> that had infected several ATMs in Russia. SpiderLabs researchers explain the Trojan collects magnetic stripe data and PINs from the Windows XP-based ATM's transaction application's private memory space. Researchers found it came with its own management function that allows the attacker take over the ATM with a custom interface that may controlled by the attacker when they insert a controller card into the ATM card reader. Both research arms say that they expect the Trojans they discovers to evolve and spread, infecting more ATMs. Trustwave recommends that all financial institutions with ATMs perform analysis to identify if this malware or similar malware is present.<hr></blockquote><br><br><small>[some emphasis added]</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><b>Steve</b></A> : Ok, inartful wording.<br><br>The incident to which your first quoted article referred is the same one discussed in the Security forum, and it involved a physical-access hack.<br><small>--<br>Stephen J. Friedl | Unix Wizard | Microsoft Security MVP | Orange County, California USA | <A HREF="http://www.unixwiz.net">my web site</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Steve <A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Well <A HREF="/forum/r22507977-Malware-steals-ATM-accounts-and-PIN-codes">the most recent</a> ATM "hack" (which was the first one you posted)</div>I did not post that originally.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><b>Steve</b></A> : Well <A HREF="/forum/r22507977-Malware-steals-ATM-accounts-and-PIN-codes">the most recent</a> ATM "hack" (which was the first one you posted) involved physically hacking the machine: it doesn't matter that the guy replaced <b>isadmin</b> or did whatever else. No OS can withstand this kind of attack.<br><br>The second article addresses two points: an unencrypted IP network (which seems unrelated to Windows), and Nachi/Welchia/Slammer worm attacks on ATM networks.<br><br>Of all these points, only the last really weighs in on the issue of OS security, and it's not at all dispositive. It's obviously Microsoft's bug if they have a remotely exploitable flaw, but does this obviate <u>any</u> responsibility for a financial network designer to reduce attack surfaces? To turn off services you don't need? To patch issues you know are important?<br><br>In an engagement some years ago, I more or less completely penetrated the network used by Standard & Poors to distribute stock quote information to subscribers: by hacking one machine, I was able to pop my head up inside the network of some very large institutions who had no idea that they were at such risk.<br><br>The device in question ran <b>Linux</b>, had services enabled by default, and had not been patched recently, but never once in the years since this event did I associated the problem with Linux.<br><br>It was the people who built the devices who were simply shockingly careless, and would have made the same mistakes with any other OS.<br><br>I don't mind blaming Microsoft (or any vendor) for <A HREF="/forum/r22125670-Microsoft-Confirms-Critical-0Day-IE8-Vulnerability">stuff they actually get wrong</a>, but it's <b>intellectually dishonest</b> to stop the search for information once you learn that MSFT is involved and just assume it's their fault.<br><br>Steve<br><small>--<br>Stephen J. Friedl | Unix Wizard | Microsoft Security MVP | Orange County, California USA | <A HREF="http://www.unixwiz.net">my web site</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  PToN <A HREF="/useremail/u/488582"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Somebody hijacked the post....<br><br>lol<br> </div>Surprise, surprise!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Steve <A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  JohnInSJ <A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Better then worrying about Malware (ATMs running XP, anyone?) </div>Those ATMs were hacked <b>with physical access to the insides</b> &mdash; no OS could withstand that kind of attack, so this seems like a cheap shot.</div>From <A HREF="http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25484/53/">ITWire</a><br>05 June 2009 -     <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>Windows XP cash machines can steal your PIN<br><br>It is bad enough that the bad guys constantly try and phish your financial data via email and fake websites, now cash machines are getting in on the act.</b><br><br>The <A HREF="http://www.trustwave.com/">SpiderLabs team reports</a> that it has been able to perform an analysis of the malware, which had been discovered on compromised East European cash machines running Windows XP.<br><br>The malware was able to capture the magnetic stripe data from the private memory space of transaction-processing applications that were installed on these compromised ATMs, along with PIN codes for good measure.<br><br>Courtesy of some advanced management functionality found within the malware code, the attackers are able to control the compromised cash machines via a customised interface which can be accessed by simply inserting a controller card into the ATM card slot.<br><br>The stolen data can then be printed using the receipt printer built into the ATM, or output via the card reader to a suitable storage device. SpiderLabs do not believe that there is any networking functionality built into the malware, however.<br><br>I understand that <b>the malware can be installed, and activated, by way of a Borland Delphi Rapid Application Development executable that replaces the original isadmin.exe utility file. Executing this dropper produces the malware file within the C:\WINDOWS directory of the machine.</b><br><br>This is not the first time that <A HREF="http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry2097.html">ATM security has left customers vulnerable</a> nor will it be the last.<br><br>Trustwave warns it "highly recommends ALL financial institutions with ATMs under management perform analysis of their environment to identify if this malware or similar malware is present. Trustwave collected multiple version of this malware and therefore, feels that over time it will<br>evolve."<hr></blockquote><br><br>From <A HREF="http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry2097.html">DaniWeb</a><br>Feb 18th, 2008 -    <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>ATM security leaves customers vulnerable to hackers</b><br><br>It has been estimated that something in the region of 70 percent of the ATMs in current use are based not on the proprietary hardware, software and communication protocol platforms of old but instead on PC/Intel hardware and commodity operating systems, the most popular being <b>Windows XP</b> embedded. In fact, it is not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think of these ATMs as being simple PCs running simple PC operating systems and using the standard Internet Protocol that we are all used to. Of course, all this is housed in a very secure vault-like box along with some additional peripherals, which makes it all OK. Or does it? According to Network Box, a managed security services company which has just published a <A HREF="http://www.network-box.co.uk/whitepapers">white paper</a> on the subject of IP-ATM security, banks and financial institutions are failing to properly secure their ATMs, leaving consumers' personal details vulnerable to hackers. <b>The report itself actually cites three main threats to ATMs: internet protocol (IP) worms; disruption of the IP network and denial of service; and the harvesting of consumers' transaction data for malicious purposes. The latter could result in hackers being able to collect consumers' personal details, such as their card number, account balance and transaction history.</b><br><br><b>It doesn't take a genius to work out that all a determined hacker, and for determined read backed by a highly professional criminal organisation, needs to do is access some part of that IP network between the ATM and payment processor to be privy to the personal detail contained within the unencrypted data stream.<br><br>The ATM manufacturers do integrate firewall software on the devices but these do nothing to prevent unencrypted traffic from leaving the machine, just make it harder for the less professional hacker to get into the ATM itself.</b><br><br>Mark Webb-Johnson, CTO of Network Box, told us "Most people simply assume that because an ATM is invariably provided by a bank, the transactions and the data being transmitted must be secure. This assumption may have been true in the past, but today ATMs operate in a way that makes them far more susceptible to attack. <b>We've already seen in August 2003 how the Nachi (aka Welchia) Internet worm crossed over into 'secure' networks and infected ATMs for two financial institutions; and we've witnessed the SQL Slammer (aka Sapphire) worm indirectly shutdown 13,000 Bank of America ATMs.</b> The chances are that if banks don't use technology that can actually provide an effective level of protection - technology that is already on the market - then it is very likely that more high-profile attacks are to follow."<hr></blockquote><br><br><small>[some emphasis added]</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340145"><b>Steve</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JohnInSJ <A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Better then worrying about Malware (ATMs running XP, anyone?) </div>Those ATMs were hacked <b>with physical access to the insides</b> &mdash; no OS could withstand that kind of attack, so this seems like a cheap shot.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/940717"><b>neonhomer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ropeguru <A HREF="/useremail/u/295948"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You know, all these computer controlled gadgets in in cars now are great until you run into the rogue EMP. <br><br>Then what do you do?  :o :o :o<br> </div>Chuck electronics in favor of a mechanical fuel pump, carburetor, and a points distributor.... basically, anything that was built without computers will become popular again!!!  <br><br>Now if you excuse me, I need to go charge the battery in my Beetle.... <br><small>--<br>"F is for Fire that burns down the whole town...<br>U is for Uranium...... Bombs...<br>N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!"  Sheldon Plankton</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/760271"><b>usa2k</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  EUS <A HREF="/useremail/u/686640"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Back to relays and fuses?<br> </div> Horse and carriage. :)<br><br>But keep the cluster as a secondary information device! :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/686640"><b>EUS</b></A> : Back to relays and fuses?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : True. But a strong EMP will also terminate operations of old non-computer controlled cars. EMPs neutralize electricity. Also one of the 'side benefits' of a thermonuclear pulse.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/295948"><b>ropeguru</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If the EMP was strong enough it would also kill the engine and batteries.<br> </div>And the engine would be.... Computer controlled...  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : If the EMP was strong enough it would also kill the engine and batteries.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/295948"><b>ropeguru</b></A> : You know, all these computer controlled gadgets in in cars now are great until you run into the rogue EMP. <br><br>Then what do you do?  :o :o :o]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1147260"><b>rexbinary</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Someone will load compiz on it and try to make it spin.<br> </div>Or wobble.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Someone will load compiz on it and try to make it spin.<br> </div>Better then worrying about Malware (ATMs running XP, anyone?)<br><small>--<br>My place : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.schettino.us" >www.schettino.us</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Someone will load compiz on it and try to make it spin.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : Thought that this was neat...<br><br>From <A HREF="http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5568675744.html">LinuxDevices</a><br>Jun. 09, 2009 - <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Automotive telematics display firm Yazaki North America announced an instrument cluster display based on embedded Linux, designed for reconfigurable dashboard TFT/LCD displays. The instrument cluster prototype is built around a PowerPC-based Freescale MPC5121e system-on-chip (SoC), and offers 3D effects, says the company.<br><br>Like Ford's new <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dRzx7YGBNM">SmartGauge</a> cluster designed for its 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid, the Yazaki design offers a dynamic GUI interface to simulate analog instrumentation and report on a variety of telematics and related information in a small space. Yakuzi offers a more three-dimensional effect by displaying indicators, fuel gauge, and speedometer information on different levels, as well as adding tunnels and a tapered bezel over the LCD, says Yazaki.<br><br>The design is said to be highly customizable by automotive OEMs, enabling a wide range of dashboard designs for entry-level to high-end cars. When used in hybrids, the reconfigurable instrumentation can also display information such as driver and vehicle performance, as well as environmental impact.<br><br>The design supports integrated video input for displaying camera information, and the lighting system for the TFT/LCD display incorporates light guides, and uses a minimum number of LEDs "to offer styling flexibility and reduced complexity," says Yazaki. Based on embedded Linux, presumably using Freescale's Linux development platform for its MPC processors, the firmware is also said to make use of the chip's OpenGL ES 1.1 graphics.<br><br>The MPC5121e primarily targets "next-generation" telematics systems, such as in-car infotainment, driver assist devices, and digital displays for intelligent dashboards. In October 2007, Wind River, which is scheduled to be acquired by Intel this summer, announced a partnership with Freescale to co-develop a Linux development kit for the SoC. Last year, Freescale shipped a dual-core verson of the SoC called the MPC5123.<br><br>No information was offered on the availability of the Yakazi instrument cluster. More information may be found <A HREF="http://www.yazaki-na.com/product/index.asp?fuseaction=concepts&gp=intrumentation&p=concepts">here</a>.<hr></blockquote><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/22527934?c=1438008&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjUyNzkzNC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="19148 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=260 HEIGHT=209 SRC="/r0/download/1438008~e892078ebd7e097b0db9284f3e83eb42/yakazi_cluster3.jpeg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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