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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | Apple doesnt care about all this.... Apple is a business, and as such will go where the $ is. If ATT offers them a nice package to stay exclusive, then thats what will happen. I know its shocking, but Apple wants to make as much profit as possible. Anyone ever heard of the "Apple Tax"? | |
|  ecoPremium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE | Re: Apple doesnt care about all this.... That's true to an extent, but at what point does all the negative publicity outweigh the money they'd be making from AT&T? By opening up to 2 or more carriers, they get more people who want the phone but simply won't switch services for it. Plus, it'll keep the carriers on their toes. You can bet that if Verizon had the iPhone also that there would be no delay in implementing MMS and tethering. | |
| | RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: Apple doesnt care about all this.... "there would be no delay in implementing MMS and tethering."
Have you seen the crippling VZW does to their existing handsets? | |
| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Apple doesnt care about all this.... They don't cripple smartphones, other than the HTC Touch Pro. Shed a tear for a phone that's great everywhere else, but horribly underpowered on VZW. | |
| | | | | | Re: Apple doesnt care about all this.... Huh, so Verizon doesn't remove the bluetooth profile for doing things like copying files/ringtones? | |
| | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Apple doesnt care about all this.... Not on their smartphones. The more business-centric, high-end stuff doesn't get the feature-crippling axe of doom. | |
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| bemis
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| said by eco:That's true to an extent, but at what point does all the negative publicity outweigh the money they'd be making from AT&T? It seems like the majority of the bad press I've seen has been with AT&T, not Apple.
The sentiment seems to be that this is an AT&T problem rather then an Apple mistake--which is probably backed up by the fact that the current exclusivity agreement was signed prior to any major concerns over AT&T's service.
That sentiment may change if Apple decides to renew the exclusivity agreement despite all the complains now hanging around AT&T's neck. | |
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1 edit | Thats not really true Apple wants to provide the best device possible, and still make money.
At this rate with AT&T I don't see apple lasting with them past 2010. They will move the next one over to verizon. No matter how much AT&T offers. They are going to have to jump ship.
And that Apple tax doesn't really exist either. If you would actually break it down correctly you would see that there really isn't one. The 24" iMac is the perfect example at $1799. Break that down.
Processor ~ $500
Hard Drive ~ $70
Ram ~ $75
Video Card ~ $120
CD/DVD ~ $25
Power supply/Chassis ~ $150
Display ~ $700
OS /Other ~ $50
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Total - $1690
And thats approx. what you would pay to build a computer on par with that iMac. And I am not joking about the display $700 is a conservative price I've seen the same panel for much higher. And before you go saying I can get a 24 In monitor for $200 bucks take a look at how much a good S-IPS 24 In monitor costs. | |
| | | | Re: Apple doesnt care about all this.... I love my screen name 
Quick fact check on newegg for your claims results in:
ram - 59 (4GB ddr3)
vid - 40 (as close as i can get to the imac laptop chip (9400GT))
mouse - 10 (mighty mouse is not well respected even by apple lovers)
keyboard - 10
processor - 149 (laptop processor vs desktop, this one is closest 3.06Ghz core 2 duo, 1066 FSB)
Motherboard - 60 (not going to be that close but a respected brand with decent ports)
Hard drive - 75 (1TB)
DVD burner - 25 (imac uses laptop drive)
24 inch ips panel - 550 (HP)
chassis & powersupply - 100 (beauty is in the eye of the beholder, this could be as cheap as 40, and as much as a few hundred)
OS - 50 (your number)
Camera - 30 (i think they are useless but for the sake of parity)
Approx $1150
Apple charges $2199 for these specs
Yes, that's right you could buy nearly two if you looked elsewhere.
The imac (along with most macs) are terrible to try to equate because nothing is *exactly* the same. The imac is like half laptop, half desktop, in a fancy form factor. But the above components would build a system that would perform similar.
The other issue is that most users would be plenty happy without the ips panel (in fact much of the imac line had regular tn panels) but since this monitor is built in they cannot opt to save hundreds of dollars for a different display type. Nor can they in the future upgrade/replace the computer with a new one less the cost of the monitor (since monitors tend to live thorugh 2-3 generations of computers)
Also realize that we're quoting retail newegg prices which are guaranteed to be higher than what apple would pay. | |
| |  Killa200Premium
join:2005-12-02
Southeast TN
1 edit | Lets be a little more realistic with those prices.... after looking up this $1799 24" imac and its specs, i priced out this similar set of pc parts, and remember.... no complaining about the maker of the parts, as apple like all other companies looking to make a profit are going on the rock bottom bid of parts.....
Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz - $139.99
JetWay HI03 LGA 775 - $53.99
SAMSUNG F1 RAID Class HE753LJ 750GB - $89.99
Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2(1066Mhz) - $54.99
ECS N9500GT-512MXL-F GeForce 9500 GT 512MB (OEM GT 120 Equivalent) - $49.99
LITE-ON Dvd Burner iHAP322-08 - $25.99
Rosewill R512BS w/ 500 watt PSU - $64.99
DELL ULTRASHARP 2408WFP - $599
OS - Microsoft Windows XP Pro w/SP3 - $93
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Total - $1171.93 (or even less if you don't go with windows or don't need an uber quality lcd)
Before someone brings it up, yes the dell is an S-PVA panel.... but it also gets better reviews than the Hazro HZ24W.... which has the exact panel the 24" imac has. The Hazro HZ24W even has an A-TW polarizer, giving it an edge in black viewing angles over the 24" imac to begin with.....
Now i agree the prices of apple computers have come down.... but i also will play that off tot he fact that they succumbed to using standard parts like everyone else as well, 
::EDIT:: - damn, with delusion ftl on board thats two apple burns in a row, lol | |
| |  neowulf
join:2000-10-20
Port Orange, FL | Sure a good 24" S-IPS cost a lot, but the average person wouldn't really know the difference between that and a VA or TN panel.
But really that goes along with the whole apple tax, as you can find a bigger higher rez monitor such as the H-IPS Planar PX2611W, doesn't carry the apple name on it, but can be had for around ~$750. Or if you want to be more compareable with size, you could go with the 24" HP LP2475W which is also a H-IPS that can be had for ~$550, which to me both offer a higher quality picture then any of the apple offerings in the same price range.
I just built a PC for a friend, that I would say is pretty much comparable with the 24" iMac in tech specs, it cost about ~$650 to put together sans the monitor. He did go with a cheap 24" TN panel because he really couldn't see spending a extra $500 on a S-IPS or H-IPS panel because some people just don't see the difference.
The Apple name does carry a premium, and the people who use their products love them, and I can not fault them. Is "Apple tax" the right word? Maybe, if so, I guess you could also say there is a Porsche, Lamborghini, or Ferrari tax. The premium hardly ever stops the consumers willing to buy what they consider worth it.
Since Apple has a market, one can assume they haven't priced them selves out of it. | |
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| said by dlewis23:Thats not really true Apple wants to provide the best device possible, and still make money. At this rate with AT&T I don't see apple lasting with them past 2010. They will move the next one over to verizon. No matter how much AT&T offers. They are going to have to jump ship. And that Apple tax doesn't really exist either. If you would actually break it down correctly you would see that there really isn't one. The 24" iMac is the perfect example at $1799. Break that down. Processor ~ $500 Hard Drive ~ $70 Ram ~ $75 Video Card ~ $120 CD/DVD ~ $25 Power supply/Chassis ~ $150 Display ~ $700 OS /Other ~ $50 --------------------------------------- Total - $1690 And thats approx. what you would pay to build a computer on par with that iMac. And I am not joking about the display $700 is a conservative price I've seen the same panel for much higher. And before you go saying I can get a 24 In monitor for $200 bucks take a look at how much a good S-IPS 24 In monitor costs. The mac ios simply a PC with the Intel EFI system firmware and OSX..that's all
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| | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | said by dlewis23:Thats not really true Apple wants to provide the best device possible, and still make money. At this rate with AT&T I don't see apple lasting with them past 2010. They will move the next one over to verizon. No matter how much AT&T offers. They are going to have to jump ship. And that Apple tax doesn't really exist either. If you would actually break it down correctly you would see that there really isn't one. The 24" iMac is the perfect example at $1799. Break that down. Processor ~ $500 Hard Drive ~ $70 Ram ~ $75 Video Card ~ $120 CD/DVD ~ $25 Power supply/Chassis ~ $150 Display ~ $700 OS /Other ~ $50 --------------------------------------- Total - $1690 And thats approx. what you would pay to build a computer on par with that iMac. And I am not joking about the display $700 is a conservative price I've seen the same panel for much higher. And before you go saying I can get a 24 In monitor for $200 bucks take a look at how much a good S-IPS 24 In monitor costs. Those costs are all way off, as others have pointed out. Regardless, it is well known/documented that Apple charges a premium for their products; and they have every right to do so. As long as there are people who are willing to pay for it, then more power to them. However, that takes us off topic. My point is that Apple is going to go with the carrier(s) who offer them the best deal, plain and simple. They dont care about the fact that some people on DSLR are whining about the slow rollout of HSPA. They dont give a rats ass about a few nerdy (but lucky!) guys booing them at the WWDC. They want to squeeze as much money out the the Apple fanboys (you know who you are!) as they can before they lose market share. Dont forget that literally 8 years ago, 99% of "tech" people still thought an 'Apple' was nothing more than a piece of fruit....
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@charter.com | said by dlewis23:And that Apple tax doesn't really exist either. diehard apple fan, huh? | |
| | | | We purchased additional ram for an imac at MicroCenter.
The MAC labeled ram was $99.
The same ram chip a couple of shelves down was about $20-$30.
Apple is not the only company that pulls these stunts on unsuspecting consumer. A wii branded SD card is about 3x more than the same everyday variety. | |
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