mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | reply to Manesh
Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99
said by Manesh  :You guys forget that only a small % of people care about caps. Rogers has over 500,000 subscribers and less then 100 people are complaining... I rather have ~100GB caps with a more consistent speed and less down time. At the end of the day, to the complainers leave Rogers... I''m sure they will be happy to see you go. The whole point is the CAPS AREN'T NECESSARY! They've built up the network to adequate levels, as long as they keep increasing capacity every 6 months (their figure) then they don't need to add a bandwidth caps or at least not ones that low. |
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Manesh
join:2005-07-29 | reply to gamer11200
I don't agree with that... There are times that I can't maintain 10Mbps during peak hours. Very often I get limited to 8Mbps. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Manesh :I don't agree with that... There are times that I can't maintain 10Mbps during peak hours. Very often I get limited to 8Mbps. And? you're only missing 2 mbps. |
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Manesh
join:2005-07-29 | reply to gamer11200
You just said caps are not necessary... however there is clearly network congestion.
Most people don't want volume, but want speed. |
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Manesh :You just said caps are not necessary... however there is clearly network congestion. Most people don't want volume, but want speed. Caps have nothing to do with network congestion. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to Xec
said by Xec :What Rogers Should Do... Extreme: 15 Mb Down /10 Mb Up 325 GB Cap $55.00 I'd be happy for example to see something like this.
500Kbs down / 256Kbs up with 2Gb Cap for $20
(other tiers N/A)
$1 per Gb overage to a max of $50
3Mb down / 256Kbs up with 5Gb Cap for $30
(other tiers N/A)
$1 per Gb overage to a max of $50
8Mb down / 512Kbs up with 60Gb Cap for $45
(other tiers N/A)
$1 per Gb overage to a max of $50
12Mb down / 1Mb up with 100Gb Cap for $60
12Mb down / 1Mb up with 250Gb Cap for $80
12Mb down / 1Mb up with 500Gb Cap for $100
$2 per Gb overage to a max of $50
25Mb down / 1Mb up with 100Gb Cap for $95
25Mb down / 1Mb up with 250Gb Cap for $115
25Mb down / 1Mb up with 500Gb Cap for $135
$2 per Gb overage to a max of $50 |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to mlerner
said by mlerner :said by Manesh :You just said caps are not necessary... however there is clearly network congestion. Most people don't want volume, but want speed. Caps have nothing to do with network congestion. I second that. |
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cacruden
join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to gamer11200
The 50 megabit service will allow you to hit the cap in a matter of hours of consistent high-speed downloading. I just cannot see how it is worth it to pay $100 more to download a file fast - if it is the last thing you will be able to do that month 
This service is only for those people that are complete idiots, that is what Roger's is banking on anyway |
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by cacruden :The 50 megabit service will allow you to hit the cap in a matter of hours of consistent high-speed downloading. I just cannot see how it is worth it to pay $100 more to download a file fast - if it is the last thing you will be able to do that month This service is only for those people that are complete idiots, that is what Roger's is banking on anyway Agreed but I think perhaps they're targeting big households where you might have multiple people watching youtube or downloading from itunes. That kind of tier with that kind of low bandwidth is useless for anyone else who doesn't do many simultaneous downloads since you're not going to see that kind of speed on any individual source. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to Manesh
said by Manesh :I don't agree with that... There are times that I can't maintain 10Mbps during peak hours. Very often I get limited to 8Mbps. Caps don't really help with that. Speed is impacted by daily peak-period usage, not by monthly overall usage. In fact, monthly caps can actually make it worse, as many people will either actively monitor their usage (meaning they don't leave downloads running overnight, instead only using bandwidth at peak times) or try to play catch-up and get as close to the cap as possible at the end of the month.
If they actually wanted to use caps to help avoid congestion, they'd either do daily limits (to encourage spreading your usage evenly across a month) or only cap peak-period usage (to encourage downloading outside of peak periods, when congestion is less likely). |
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cacruden
join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON | Not to mention that - if you cannot reach your peak during that time -- maybe the other system is loaded at that peak time |
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completidiot
@rogers.com
| reply to cacruden
I guess I am one of those complete idiots. Speed is everything for me not the amount of cap. I have never hit the cap once and I have had the top tier service they offer including the new DOCSIS 3. When I need to get a database from a server that is HUGE, the speed is everything especially if there is a problem I need to solve. Same goes for the uploading back to the server.
And I am doing a lot of downloading and uploading of HD videos to the streaming servers we use. I am just disappointed that the upload speed is still low. It should be 5 Mbit. |
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BliZZardX
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Toronto, ON
·Bell Sympatico
·Rogers Hi-Speed
4 edits | reply to gamer11200
I called in again today. They won't let me order. You can't have Ultimate without also subscribing to either digital cable or Rogers Home Phone. I don't understand how they can justify the price with that kind of restriction.
Read the fine print:
** Service only available in some areas in the GTA. Digital TV subscription required.
^ B.S. |
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jackr
join:2004-03-10
Barrie, ON
·3 Web
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Acanac
| reply to gamer11200
On one had is the government trying to desperately clamp down on any type of file sharing. And to make that work, they would have to enlist the help of Rogers and all ISP's to make your IP instantly available by log to the police/RIAA/CRIA. On the other hand, you have a 50 mpbs that's practically made for file sharing, that Rogers wants us to buy into. What's the freaking message Rogers is trying to send. Get 50 mbps service and get your mail faster. Get you Facebook account to open in a billionth of second? Nope. They're practically acting like pushers. Psst. Hey you. Want to buy some fast service. Just don't smoke it anywhere anyone can see. Hokay? |
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by jackr :On one had is the government trying to desperately clamp down on any type of file sharing. And to make that work, they would have to enlist the help of Rogers and all ISP's to make your IP instantly available by log to the police/RIAA/CRIA. On the other hand, you have a 50 mpbs that's practically made for file sharing, that Rogers wants us to buy into. What's the freaking message Rogers is trying to send. Get 50 mbps service and get your mail faster. Get you Facebook account to open in a billionth of second? Nope. They're practically acting like pushers. Psst. Hey you. Want to buy some fast service. Just don't smoke it anywhere anyone can see. Hokay? I think really it's all about marketing. If you got an eager rich guy or average joe who doesn't know the details of what they're buying you can say "Well sir this is the fastest service you can get. Bell only offers 60% that of our speed." Like the poster above, he can't get it without another Rogers service. Why? cause they don't want him to actually use it for p2p! |
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cacruden
join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to completidiot
said by completidiot :
I guess I am one of those complete idiots. Speed is everything for me not the amount of cap. I have never hit the cap once and I have had the top tier service they offer including the new DOCSIS 3. When I need to get a database from a server that is HUGE, the speed is everything especially if there is a problem I need to solve. Same goes for the uploading back to the server.
And I am doing a lot of downloading and uploading of HD videos to the streaming servers we use. I am just disappointed that the upload speed is still low. It should be 5 Mbit.
So you cannot hit 95 GB cap, and yet you need the speed to download huge databases? What do you call a huge database? I have one on my computer - a small one - 450GB
But seriously, you need the database now, and only once? If you use the full speed to do a download you will hit your cap in a matter of hours (i.e. probably around 5 hours of download time). So you are downloading a huge database, and HD movies (I am assuming that you are not using BitTorrent since it is throttled and you will never get the speed you are talking - so maybe an HD movie from iTunes - at least that is what I will use for my assumption). You download an HD movie from iTunes - that will likely take around 3GB of the 95GB cap - so without the "huge" database you might be able to download 31 movies a month before hitting the cap (assuming you do nothing else).
That means that is going to cost you about $5 per movie to download (on top of the purchase price). [I that the need for speed means that you are one of those special people that needs to download it within minutes of it's release - but were not in that much of a hurry so you did not see it in the Theatre].
A fool and his money is soon parted |
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completidiot
@rogers.com
| When I refer to HD movies, I am talking about movies we have created not commercial movies. While they are not long, maybe 12 minutes, they are about 3 to 5 GB. They are shot in true HD format (1920 x 1080) so they tend to be larger than the average video.
Once I have converted the video to various bitstream rates, uploading them back to the streaming server is an all day event because of the slow upload rates.
Like others in the thread, the only whinners are the ones who are sharing reams and reams of stuff. Just be glad you are not in parts of Europe where the only option is DSL and the speeds are consistently slow both up and down. Doesn't matter about the file sharing even without the throttling, you would have about the same speeds or in some cases no service for hours on end. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to gamer11200
I must say, I'm a current Teksavvy customer and this is tempting. Appeals to the tech-nerd in me that wants the fastest and newest thing. Still a little too expensive for what you're getting, but it's making me think about moving to the 25/1 125GB package.
That's over double what I'm paying now, but it's over 5 times the speed. If the 25mbit package was $75 I wouldn't even hesitate.
But for the moment I'm going to give Rocky the benefit of the doubt and see what he comes up with before the UBB kicks in.
Hmm.....
Now that I think about it, it's really not very useful.
Even on 5mbit DSL I almost never wait for anything. And when I do it's because something is seeded poorly, not because it's limited by the connection. $70 more a month for faster surfing and a lower cap? Probably not worth it.
If it was 5mbit up and 200gb cap, that would be a different story. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON | Now if I had unlimited money? I'd get the 50/2 package, and an OpenVPN account with StrongVPN to get around the throttle.
But while I'm dreaming I'd like a Maserati and a 1500sq ft condo too. |
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cacruden
join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to gamer11200
The problems with the service - that I have is that:
I "could" go as maybe $120 a month, but this would be $149 a month + other commitments - and today I disconnected the Cable (within the last year I went from pretty much all channels, to VIP, and now to none). I found I was only really watching one channel and one channel for $70 is a little too much..... so I have gone OTA with a few downloads from iTunes US (plus the I already own pretty well all TV-shows I can think of pre-2000).
The problems I have with the service is I don't want anyone potentially blocking ports, Rogers does not offer static IPs (at least on any reasonable package - or price point), I would be much happier with 5up/5down up than 25/50up and 1/2down - and even if they did have higher up - I doubt they would allow you to use it since that is where they like to molest things. I want to run any servers that I want, be able to VPN from around the world and hairpin out to the internet. This is just more speed that if I use - I would rarely need. I know that I have a cap (mine is 200 - which I rarely hit) - I download Snow Leopard (6g), Linux (4G) regularly, or TV shows - I usually download one day in advance - no big deal. |
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