daT
CSM 101
Premium
join:2002-09-15
Toronto, ON | reply to gamer11200
Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99
mwahahahahaha... oh, sorry.. they're serious.
*cough* nvm.  |
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CFoo
join:2008-03-19
Nepean, ON | reply to gamer11200
So what was your answer to the question? |
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JAC70
join:2008-10-20 | reply to gamer11200
Not. A. Chance. In. Hell. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
1 edit | reply to gamer11200
Didn't Shaw offer a 50/10 service at about the same price before dropping it to like $99.99? |
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Sunfox
join:2003-12-14
Markham, ON
| reply to gamer11200
Doesn't Rogers claim that the vast majority of their customers barely use the internet? At least that's what I call the kind of data they claim those users are pushing. So, since all they're doing is downloading emails and surfing Craigslist, how exactly would wooing them from their current "instant" connection to this "uber expensive instant" really work?
If anyone actually wants 50mbit and would pay that kind of money for it, then it's safe to say they find the speed levels of Extreme SLOW, which in turm means they have to be downloading significant volumes of data. Because Grandma downloading photos of the grandkids isn't thinking "what I need is a $150 50mbit connection to make these emails really rip". |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | It's a really poor marketing move that's for sure. No way in **** that I'd pay $150 a month ... As it is, I'm having a hard time justifying Extreme any more! |
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Sunfox
join:2003-12-14
Markham, ON | Now a 50mbit connection with UNLIMITED data for $150... now THAT I might very well be talking into. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark. |
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even then
@videotron.ca | Even at 100$ its too much.
Its throttled, DPI'd, web injected, and about 1-meg up.
That worth 100$?
Not to me. |
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Sunfox
join:2003-12-14
Markham, ON | Well, ideally 50 meg down would involve more than 1 meg up.
Right now "unlimited" 10 meg costs $85 with the overages... |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to even then
said by even then :
Even at 100$ its too much.
Its throttled, DPI'd, web injected, and about 1-meg up.
That worth 100$?
Not to me.
They could not offer a 50/1 service because if you were downloading at 50 Mbps your upload would be more than completely saturated with ack packets. They would more than likely offer something like 50/5 or 50/10.
You are still right though about the throttle, DPI and web injection |
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naaah
@videotron.ca
| said by Robrr  :They could not offer a 50/1 service because if you were downloading at 50 Mbps your upload would be more than completely saturated with ack packets. Sure they could. Videotron does it. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to Robrr
Absolutely no problem at all ... Most residential internet was designed with a 10/1 asymmetry, but even that has a lot of vacancy on the upstream with full downstream. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark. $99 with 250Gig with no bundles, scams, locks or fees, I would take it. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| said by Stewy :said by sbrook :Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark. $99 with 250Gig with no bundles, scams, locks or fees, I would take it. Not enough, while my downloading has dropped significantly.. I wouldn't want any kind of cap on that kind of service. If they could provide full symetrical service (at my business) with a SLA, I would drop my current provider in a heartbeat.
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JAC70
join:2008-10-20
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :Absolutely no problem at all ... Most residential internet was designed with a 10/1 asymmetry, but even that has a lot of vacancy on the upstream with full downstream. Correct me if I'm wrong, but given a packet is 1500 bytes, and an ack is 40 bytes, this would suggest a needed down/up ratio of 37.5 to 1. Wouldn't that mean 50/1 would saturate the upstream and prevent full speed, as suggested? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Apart from the fact that the MAXIMUM packet is 1500 bytes.
Now a quick bit of arithmetic (so there *could* be some errors!)
1500 bytes is 12000 bits which at 50 Mbps will allow 4000 packets to be sent per second.
40 bytes is 320 bits. So 4000 * 320 = 1.28 Mbps
So, yes, a constant stream at that speed would fill the pipe. BUT the reality is that you won't get data flowing at that speed in a constant stream. I doubt Rogers could deliver that much data that fast. If I had to guess, I'd say you're more likely to get a throughput of about half that speed, which would leave space on the upstream. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
1 edit | You can pull 50 Mbps on a constant stream, there are places that will support it. One example of this is the University Of Waterloo Computer Sciences Club. I can download Ubuntu from them at a 50 Mbps at work.
As for Rogers and the delivery of the service, I hope they could come close to offering a steady 50 Mbps before they rolled it out to the public as I would be greatly offended to be a customer paying $149/month for internet and not getting most of that speed. |
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elec999
join:2005-12-19
·Acanac
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to Stewy
Dear friends. $149.99 a month for 50mbits + plus if they have their $25 overage fee, it would be acceptable. Also the Sweden internet, the thing is damn fast within Sweden, outside your connections will drop to slow as help. Connect to a USA server to download a LINUX iso from a 50mbit Swiss ISP, you will get 5mbit or less. |
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thor_
@bredband2.com
| That's actually not true. Some of the larger and cheaper residential Swedish ISPs will throttle external outbound traffic, depending on the time of day, to save on transit fees. Dedicated business lines don't normally have this restriction, the service is left open to its full potential. Bredband2 is a good example of an ISP with such a policy. However, some independent ISPs with very limited availability, and the dominant state-funded ISP, TELIA AB, use an equal network policy for all customers, where it is possible to transfer 10MB/s between say, Stockholm and Sydney. |
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