sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to cacruden
Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99
Rogers does NOT block many ports.
They block ports used by Microsoft file/printer sharing on your node to reduce the chance of people stealing files/services from your system or implanting viruses.
They block inbound port 25 into the Rogers network except to the Rogers inbound SMTP servers, and block outbound port 25 except to Rogers outbound SMTP servers. This is done for spam and virus protection. It means that you must either use Rogers servers, OR have a 3rd party server that you can access on an alternate port.
That's it, in total.
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by sbrook  :Rogers does NOT block many ports. They block ports used by Microsoft file/printer sharing on your node to reduce the chance of people stealing files/services from your system or implanting viruses. They block inbound port 25 into the Rogers network except to the Rogers inbound SMTP servers, and block outbound port 25 except to Rogers outbound SMTP servers. This is done for spam and virus protection. It means that you must either use Rogers servers, OR have a 3rd party server that you can access on an alternate port. That's it, in total. But they throttle VPN down to nothing in many cases don't they?
I know they have in the past, but I'm unable to get a straight answer if they do it now. It seems it happens in some places and not in others, like the bittorrent throttle. Will they unblock VPN for my connection if I specifically requested it? |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
·Wightman Telecom
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to gamer11200
Im paying $50/month. (this includes modem rental)
I got 1/.412 service(im at the 5 mile cusp). Static IP, no caps, no throttle, no ports blocked. I run a email server now, hosting two websites, another server for web hosting 2 sites. I deal with lag every once and a while. I also am using 60-100gb a month. I dont play FPS games anymore, but I stopped playing them when I was on rogers because of what they were doing on their network.
So lets break cost structure down and see who is the fool for spending what.
Wightman: $50 unlimited everything under the sun. (taxes in)
Rogers 3/.256 package: No static ip, port 25 blocked, cant run any services. 25 gig Cap, throttling. I would be hit with a modem fee and for sure the 25 dollar fee on top of that. So I would be paying 73-74 bucks (taxes in). Oh there is the other thing, I would need to host my server not at home, so tack on another 6 bucks a month to that.
So 80 bucks a month with rogers for half the service I get with wightman.
Also if I need to ever make a late payment, wightman is basically 1%, rogers is a $25 dollar fee.
So best value for your money?
Wightman wins hands down.
Anyone willing to pay $150+ For a crap service like that, needs to take some classes in economics.
Seriously top webservers out there are barely breaking the 1mb barrier. So you have a 50/2 service basically for news groups. 50mb service with gaming? Don't make me laugh, the most time sensitive gaming out there is fps games. You need a better latency more then a 50mb service. Rogers now sucks for latency. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to gamer11200
No, but the throttling of VPN is not done by port. It's done by detection of encrypted traffic ... which is usually considered a hallmark of trying to get around throttling on P2P. |
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completidiot
@rogers.com
| reply to cpsycho
Geeze, that is strange, but most of the web servers I download stuff from or work on are running at least 20 Mb. Our main webserver is burstable to 40 Mb. And the streaming servers we use are at least 10 Mb.
Speed is everything for some people. Download volume is more important for others. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :No, but the throttling of VPN is not done by port. It's done by detection of encrypted traffic ... which is usually considered a hallmark of trying to get around throttling on P2P. Haha or trying to work. Or trying to maintain your privacy. Or trying to access a remote network securely. Or trying to VNC into your home computer.
Hilarious.
How is the government not giving them crap about privacy infringement? The privacy commission targets Facebook because they make it a little difficult for you to leave. But Rogers is allowed to monitor everything I do online and pass judgement on it. |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
·Wightman Telecom
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to completidiot
I did mention news groups, I also bet that those speeds you listed is when you have a very tiny amount of people on the server. Like a private work server, with a private audience.
Im talking about sites like microsoft and nvidia, I should have listed the sites I was thinking about. My bad.
Plus Wightman... The best customer service from a company I have seen in a long time. Tech guys, top notch. |
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Manesh
join:2005-07-29 | reply to gamer11200
They don't throttle VPN connections... I can work no problem at home |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Just because you can doesn't mean everyone can ... in many cases people have been/are throttled, including Michael Geist |
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fasterfaster
@rogers.com
| reply to gamer11200
I would be willing to pay extra for more speed and more bandwidth. However, the price to upgrade from Extreme is Extreme!!!! When you are looking at a cost that is nearly double you have to stop and pause.
Where is the upgrade for $10 or $20 more a month. A smaller incremental cost like that would be a no brainer. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to gamer11200
I already pay $100/month for internet. $60 with Rogers and $40 with TSI.
The advantage is that I have more lanes but at present with TSI I simply tag newsgroup stuff to download and I don't really care how long it takes since my rogers lanes with VPN or gaming ect... are unaffected.
But with UBB that will be a whole other issue, if I am limited at 60Gb and then overages, it's going to be hard to justify staying with TSI and just go with the 25Mbps and 125Gig/month for the same price. The difference with DSL if/when UBB comes in will just be 30Gb less.
So
Cable 10Mbps 95Gb + DSL 2.5Mbps 200Gb/month = $100 295Gb
with UBB
Cable 10Mbps 95Gb + DSL 2.5Mbps 60Gb/month = $100 155Gb
or
Cable 25Mbps 125Gb/month = $100 (-30Gb/month) |
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Nailbag
join:2001-10-16
London, ON
1 edit | reply to gamer11200
milking us more instead of installing FFTH and look at Verizons prices »/speak/slidesh···MTA0MDU4 |
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giggabotch
join:2006-12-16
East York, ON
| Unless Bell and Rogers start undercutting each others prices, which Bell can't afford to and Rogers doesn't have to, then I think we'll be living with these prices for awhile. |
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completidiot
@rogers.com
| reply to cpsycho
These are not sites which are private. I am talking main stream sites including Microsoft, Dell and others where I download software and updates. I download stuff from them (like MSDN) and when I was using the Extreme before Ultimate, I was topping out at 1.8 MB/s.
Maybe I am lucky. When using speedtest.net I was consistently getting 15/16 Mb down and 957 Kb up. Now I am seeing 50 Mb down and 2 Mb up. And it is taking me half the time now to upload stuff to my servers. So in that case, it has already paid for itself in the one week I have had it. If they boost the upload to a faster speed (which is very doable as it constantly starts uploads faster than 2Mb) it will be even better.
The ironic thing is that I have faster service than the office which is a bonded 5 Mb DSL shared by 30 people. I just wish we had the FTP on the server we have at Q9 instead of at the office and then I would be able to stuff even faster. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| Yeah 15 megs is no problem but most things you won't see anywhere near 50 mbps which means for most customers it's rather useless unless you have a big household. heh boost upstream, no they have the capability and they were supposed to reconfigure the node to handle better upstream but that hasn't happened. |
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canDarian
join:2009-02-16
Waterloo, ON
| reply to gamer11200
Just leave rogers,you all complain yet you still give them your money why would they change YOU WONT LEAVE.
If Rogers saw even a 10% drop in Internet accounts canceled you dam well know that's going to get their attention.
Rogers is easy to set up if you stay for that reason then you have no right to complain,there are plenty of viable competitors albeit they are freakishly annoying to get setup but imo nothing is more annoying then Rogers.
And 149.99 for 50/2 @ 175 cap is a total freaking insult. |
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Manesh
join:2005-07-29
| reply to gamer11200
Can someone please tell me why people always compare prices to the US? I don't understand that logic.
I think some people try and make a problem out of nothing. I know about 10 different people on Rogers who use VPN with no issues. I am not saying they don't throttle VPN at all, but the majority of people won't have an issue. |
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canDarian
join:2009-02-16
Waterloo, ON
1 edit | said by Manesh :I think some people try and make a problem out of nothing. I know about 10 different people on Rogers who use VPN with no issues. The fact that people need to use a VPN in the first place is a problem,the other fact is that some people do have their encrypted VPN traffic throttled. |
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metalhawk
join:2007-02-06
Nepean, ON
| reply to canDarian
said by canDarian :Just leave rogers,you all complain yet you still give them your money why would they change YOU WONT LEAVE. If Rogers saw even a 10% drop in Internet accounts canceled you dam well know that's going to get their attention. Rogers is easy to set up if you stay for that reason then you have no right to complain,there are plenty of viable competitors albeit they are freakishly annoying to get setup but imo nothing is more annoying then Rogers. And 149.99 for 50/2 @ 175 cap is a total freaking insult. Let's see. DSL at 1.5 mbps or Rogers at 10mbps for roughly the same price. It's not like I have much of a choice. |
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canDarian
join:2009-02-16
Waterloo, ON
1 edit | said by metalhawk :Let's see. DSL at 1.5 mbps or Rogers at 10mbps for roughly the same price. It's not like I have much of a choice. Teksavvy Primus and a litany of others offer dsl @5 mb they charge 29.99-39.99 Rogers charges 46.99 + access fees and plethora of equipment fees,I haven't been on Express before so I don't know if they can charge you above the 25$ overage charge @ 2$ a gig if they can charge beyond 25$ that will get expensive real fast.Either way it's $71.99 if you go over your paltry 60 gb limit.
Teksavvy has there's @ 5mb/800k 200gb cap for 29.95 or remove the cap for 39.95.
Primus has there's @ 5mb/800k no cap for 34.95.
And there's plenty more,all I'm saying is there are plenty of decent ISP's.I refuse to give my patronage to company's that feel obligated to downgrade their service then offer an upgrade in service for a fee,if your ok with that then by all means keep paying and paying and paying... |
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