Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to mlerner
Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99
said by mlerner  :If it's 50 then it'll be DOCSIS 3 and it can handle that kind of speed but the question again is the caps and if they're the same low caps then it's overpriced. If 50Mbps is only with DOCSIS 3 then yea caps are not necessary.
My question remains, how is Rogers going to justify caps with docsis 3. If they say that a 250Gig cap is necessary with docsis 3 then there's something wrong with Rogers. |
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mlerner
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| said by Stewy :said by mlerner :If it's 50 then it'll be DOCSIS 3 and it can handle that kind of speed but the question again is the caps and if they're the same low caps then it's overpriced. If 50Mbps is only with DOCSIS 3 then yea caps are not necessary. My question remains, how is Rogers going to justify caps with docsis 3. If they say that a 250Gig cap is necessary with docsis 3 then there's something wrong with Rogers. 38 Mbit/s is the max usable speed on DOCSIS 2 so yes it will have to be DOCSIS 3. |
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Commodus
join:2002-08-28
Ottawa, ON
| reply to gamer11200
Two things about possible pricing for the 50Mbps tier:
1. Currency values, folks. If Rogers were to exactly match CableVision, it'd be around $110 CDN a month; just a short while ago it would have been higher.
2. CableVision is something of an exception: with the exception of the just-launched Washington DC service, Comcast charges $140 US a month for 50Mbps. Even Verizon's FiOS service is $140 a month.
Also, it's virtually certain that any DOCSIS 3 tier would have higher caps; the real question is whether they'll be reasonable (120GB would still be a joke). I'd prefer Rogers takes the caps off, but if not that then I'd hope for at least something more like Comcast (plus Rogers' overage fee ceiling).
My question: will I have the option of replacing my existing service with faster DOCSIS 3 service? I wouldn't be surprised if there were upgrades to 20Mbps for Extreme customers... preferably with a higher cap there, too. |
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joshb
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said by sbrook :Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark. With that kind of pricing... and Depending on what the lower tiers offer.. It might be more economical to get 2 connections of a lower tier service.. Probably going to get a better cap. Also willing to bet it's going to be cheaper on a per month basis as well.
One thing I've learned about Internet service... Is in order to get what you want sometimes you really have to mix match not only providers but plans as well... Being creative can really pay off in this area... 
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Some1atRogers
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| reply to gamer11200
Take it from me, it's DOCSIS 3
Word around the office is that it's going to be 50/2. Haven't heard any other numbers thrown around, but take that with a grain of salt. I have no idea what the cap will be like though. |
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Hello_123
@rogers.com
| reply to gamer11200
A couple things... if they offer 50 MB service, it's DOCSIS 3.0, I'm 100% sure of that.
Second, stop comparing US to CDN pricing... Not the same market size... Comcast has 10x the customers, with the same distance to cover infrastructure builds... economies of scale.. sorry, but that's just Canada... We pay more for gas, cars, consumables, and even taxes.... we buy the from the same suppliers, so it's the same costing... why is this new to anyone??
Rogers haven't even talk about cap limit yet, and ppl are already complaining... Just don't buy the service! Stick with the Extreme or Express...I don't think I'd get it no matter what the cost, speed isn't the issue to me. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
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| reply to gamer11200
By the way, just heard from my marketing friend who is working for Rogers on this project.
It is 50 down, 1 up, and coming out in August. The rest is so far unconfirmed.
No info on the restrictions or caps, but unless Rogers suddenly decided to reverse their wicked ways, I'm certain they will exist and be sufficiently stifling to make most people question the worth of this plan. Rogers seems to have perfected the ability to make their services just bad enough to make me not want to buy them. |
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mlerner
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Nepean, ON | If there is caps it's a total rip off. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
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| said by mlerner :If there is caps it's a total rip off. Agreed, just about any caps could easily be overrun in short order. P2P throttling would make this pointless. What am I going to do? Check my email at 50mbit?
However, I don't see why they wouldn't implement them. They already have set the precedent with their other services, and this could be a prime candidate to completely cannibalize their TV offerings if it's not controlled.
The only possible thing I can think of is that at $150 a month, they could market this as an elite, unlimited, super-fast service. And it's not a huge deal if it cannibalizes TV service at that price, because it's more than cable and cheaper to offer provide. But that's just speculation, I know nothing of the cable business. |
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joshb
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| said by static416 :said by mlerner :If there is caps it's a total rip off. Agreed, just about any caps could easily be overrun in short order. P2P throttling would make this pointless. What am I going to do? Check my email at 50mbit? However, I don't see why they wouldn't implement them. They already have set the precedent with their other services, and this could be a prime candidate to completely cannibalize their TV offerings if it's not controlled. The only possible thing I can think of is that at $150 a month, they could market this as an elite, unlimited, super-fast service. And it's not a huge deal if it cannibalizes TV service at that price, because it's more than cable and cheaper to offer provide. But that's just speculation, I know nothing of the cable business. And you just stated and gave them a reason as to exactly why they will put some sort of cap on this service... And it's most likely going to be stupidly low. The simple fact is TV service makes more money than internet service does. So Rogers and all cable companies basically want to avoid exactly the scenario you just painted... Internet service cannibalizing there TV service.
The fact is the cable companies and many other corporations want to have there cake and eat it too. And this just does not happen in the real world.
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travisc
join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON | What makes you think TV service is more profitable than Internet service? |
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shadowwarrior
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I won't spend $149.99 for internet. It wouldn't matter if they had no caps. I just don't need that kind of speed. Half that speed for around $80 would be better. |
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slaman
join:2007-02-22
Toronto, ON | reply to gamer11200
Wow 1mbit up?
What a joke. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON | reply to gamer11200
yup, after caps, and throttling, ...., it'll end up 30k up/down.
whoopeee ! |
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Angelo_
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join:2002-06-18 | these days i say being an ISP is more profitable then having your own tv station...
ISPs get pure profit after overhead |
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dirtyjeffer
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London, ON
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| said by Angelo_ :these days i say being an ISP is more profitable then having your own tv station... ISPs get pure profit after overhead ummm, isn't that the same regardless of what business you are in?...once you cover your overhead, everything left over is profit.
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sbrook
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| reply to gamer11200
Pure profit is not the term I'd use. Pure profit means that the sale or service to a customer costs you nothing, so all his revenue goes to profit. Considering that every user has some portion of Rogers monthly costs, it's not "pure profit". There are actually very few business opportunities that are pure profit. |
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sknighti
join:2004-12-21
North York, ON | reply to gamer11200
caps are set at 175gb i believe |
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Jazdi
join:2009-07-06
Ottawa, ON
| said by sknighti :caps are set at 175gb i believe So, Express has a cap to speed ratio twice that of this proposed 50mb service? Pathetic. |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
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| reply to gamer11200
any company that runs me a 20/20 line I would pay 100 bucks a month for at max, but that includes no caps and no throttle.
This 50/1 deal sucks big time.
50/1 seriously what is the point of having 1mb up would you could easily saturate the line.
This product is aimed at games who have no clue about the internet, my brother would buy this in an instant if I was not around to educate him. |
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