Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 in Rogers

Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 in Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22531398 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:42:11 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:42:11 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23062048 cadsii : ok guys you are missing the point,

if you wanna abuse and have 5-6 terabytes to fill this will be great...

5000-6000 gig take a while to fill

on my 10mbit connection i can only do about 104gigs a day

that would take about 60 days to fill

on this 50mbit connection it will only take about 10-12 days using newsgroups and maxing this faker out

if your already paying 149.99 just add the 25$ for max overage and abuse for a few months to fill those hard drives]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23062048 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:37:08 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22955160 spartan002 : god bless you eeahaih you stole the words out of my mind. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22955160 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:29:38 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22919582 metalhawk :

said by Stewy

said by metalhawk

:

Let's see. DSL at 1.5 mbps or Rogers at 10mbps for roughly the same price. It's not like I have much of a choice.

For some 1.5Mbps on their feet is better than 10Mbps on their knees bent over. Just saying.

For some, maybe. For most people that know the difference and even have 10 mbps in the first place, not even close.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22919582 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:50:45 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22916420 Stewy :

said by metalhawk

:

Let's see. DSL at 1.5 mbps or Rogers at 10mbps for roughly the same price. It's not like I have much of a choice.

For some 1.5Mbps on their feet is better than 10Mbps on their knees bent over. Just saying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22916420 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:34:22 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22916297 sbrook :

said by kliles

:

Wasn't it some U.S. Senator (or perhaps a Congress-critter) who exclaimed "if you have nothing to hide, why are you using encryption?" (more or less).

It's all about who you're hiding information FROM ... the assumption by the Senator is that you're hiding it from government.

I have little to hide, but that doesn't mean I want to broadcast it to the world!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22916297 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:10:34 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22916279 metalhawk :

said by canDarian

said by metalhawk

:

Let's see. DSL at 1.5 mbps or Rogers at 10mbps for roughly the same price. It's not like I have much of a choice.

Teksavvy Primus and a litany of others offer dsl @5 mb they charge 29.99-39.99 Rogers charges 46.99 + access fees and plethora of equipment fees,I haven't been on Express before so I don't know if they can charge you above the 25$ overage charge @ 2$ a gig if they can charge beyond 25$ that will get expensive real fast.Either way it's $71.99 if you go over your paltry 60 gb limit.

Teksavvy has there's @ 5mb/800k 200gb cap for 29.95 or remove the cap for 39.95.

Primus has there's @ 5mb/800k no cap for 34.95.

And there's plenty more,all I'm saying is there are plenty of decent ISP's.I refuse to give my patronage to company's that feel obligated to downgrade their service then offer an upgrade in service for a fee,if your ok with that then by all means keep paying and paying and paying...

Where I live, the phone lines can't give me more than 1.5 mbps. It has nothing to do with Teksavvy or whichever other company that could give me good internet service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22916279 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:07:07 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22914902 kliles : There are a lot of legitimate uses of a VPN. The fact that Rogers arbitrarily blocks content based on presumptions is THE problem. It appears that Rogers may not impose identical rules across their network - that too is a problem.

Wasn't it some U.S. Senator (or perhaps a Congress-critter) who exclaimed "if you have nothing to hide, why are you using encryption?" (more or less).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22914902 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:28:57 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22914737 canDarian :

said by metalhawk

:

Let's see. DSL at 1.5 mbps or Rogers at 10mbps for roughly the same price. It's not like I have much of a choice.

said by canDarian

:

Just leave rogers,you all complain yet you still give them your money why would they change YOU WONT LEAVE.

If Rogers saw even a 10% drop in Internet accounts canceled you dam well know that's going to get their attention.

Rogers is easy to set up if you stay for that reason then you have no right to complain,there are plenty of viable competitors albeit they are freakishly annoying to get setup but imo nothing is more annoying then Rogers.

And 149.99 for 50/2 @ 175 cap is a total freaking insult.

Let's see. DSL at 1.5 mbps or Rogers at 10mbps for roughly the same price. It's not like I have much of a choice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22913671 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:20:52 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22913047 canDarian :

said by Manesh

:

I think some people try and make a problem out of nothing. I know about 10 different people on Rogers who use VPN with no issues.

The fact that people need to use a VPN in the first place is a problem,the other fact is that some people do have their encrypted VPN traffic throttled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22913047 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:06:54 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22912846 Manesh : Can someone please tell me why people always compare prices to the US? I don't understand that logic.

I think some people try and make a problem out of nothing. I know about 10 different people on Rogers who use VPN with no issues. I am not saying they don't throttle VPN at all, but the majority of people won't have an issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22912846 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:55:30 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22912818 canDarian : Just leave rogers,you all complain yet you still give them your money why would they change YOU WONT LEAVE.

If Rogers saw even a 10% drop in Internet accounts canceled you dam well know that's going to get their attention.

Rogers is easy to set up if you stay for that reason then you have no right to complain,there are plenty of viable competitors albeit they are freakishly annoying to get setup but imo nothing is more annoying then Rogers.

And 149.99 for 50/2 @ 175 cap is a total freaking insult. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22912818 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:44:15 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22912027 mlerner : Yeah 15 megs is no problem but most things you won't see anywhere near 50 mbps which means for most customers it's rather useless unless you have a big household. heh boost upstream, no they have the capability and they were supposed to reconfigure the node to handle better upstream but that hasn't happened. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22912027 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:36:06 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22911995 anon : These are not sites which are private. I am talking main stream sites including Microsoft, Dell and others where I download software and updates. I download stuff from them (like MSDN) and when I was using the Extreme before Ultimate, I was topping out at 1.8 MB/s.

Maybe I am lucky. When using speedtest.net I was consistently getting 15/16 Mb down and 957 Kb up. Now I am seeing 50 Mb down and 2 Mb up. And it is taking me half the time now to upload stuff to my servers. So in that case, it has already paid for itself in the one week I have had it. If they boost the upload to a faster speed (which is very doable as it constantly starts uploads faster than 2Mb) it will be even better.

The ironic thing is that I have faster service than the office which is a bonded 5 Mb DSL shared by 30 people. I just wish we had the FTP on the server we have at Q9 instead of at the office and then I would be able to stuff even faster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22911995 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:29:16 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22911559 giggabotch :

said by Nailbag

:

milking us more instead of installing FFTH and look at Verizons prices »/speak/slidesh···MTA0MDU4

Unless Bell and Rogers start undercutting each others prices, which Bell can't afford to and Rogers doesn't have to, then I think we'll be living with these prices for awhile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22911559 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:55:56 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22905515 Nailbag : milking us more instead of installing FFTH and look at Verizons prices »/speak/slidesh···MTA0MDU4]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22905515 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:12:41 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22902577 Stewy : I already pay $100/month for internet. $60 with Rogers and $40 with TSI.

The advantage is that I have more lanes but at present with TSI I simply tag newsgroup stuff to download and I don't really care how long it takes since my rogers lanes with VPN or gaming ect... are unaffected.

But with UBB that will be a whole other issue, if I am limited at 60Gb and then overages, it's going to be hard to justify staying with TSI and just go with the 25Mbps and 125Gig/month for the same price. The difference with DSL if/when UBB comes in will just be 30Gb less.

So

Cable 10Mbps 95Gb + DSL 2.5Mbps 200Gb/month = $100 295Gb

with UBB

Cable 10Mbps 95Gb + DSL 2.5Mbps 60Gb/month = $100 155Gb

or

Cable 25Mbps 125Gb/month = $100 (-30Gb/month)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22902577 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:45:47 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22902459 anon : I would be willing to pay extra for more speed and more bandwidth. However, the price to upgrade from Extreme is Extreme!!!! When you are looking at a cost that is nearly double you have to stop and pause.

Where is the upgrade for $10 or $20 more a month. A smaller incremental cost like that would be a no brainer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22902459 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:27:42 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899972 sbrook : Just because you can doesn't mean everyone can ... in many cases people have been/are throttled, including Michael Geist]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899972 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:08:28 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899897 Manesh : They don't throttle VPN connections... I can work no problem at home]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899897 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:56:15 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899752 cpsycho : I did mention news groups, I also bet that those speeds you listed is when you have a very tiny amount of people on the server. Like a private work server, with a private audience.

Im talking about sites like microsoft and nvidia, I should have listed the sites I was thinking about. My bad.

Plus Wightman... The best customer service from a company I have seen in a long time. Tech guys, top notch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899752 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:29:05 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899418 static416 :

said by sbrook

:

No, but the throttling of VPN is not done by port. It's done by detection of encrypted traffic ... which is usually considered a hallmark of trying to get around throttling on P2P.

Haha or trying to work. Or trying to maintain your privacy. Or trying to access a remote network securely. Or trying to VNC into your home computer.

Hilarious.

How is the government not giving them crap about privacy infringement? The privacy commission targets Facebook because they make it a little difficult for you to leave. But Rogers is allowed to monitor everything I do online and pass judgement on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899418 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:25:08 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899069 anon : Geeze, that is strange, but most of the web servers I download stuff from or work on are running at least 20 Mb. Our main webserver is burstable to 40 Mb. And the streaming servers we use are at least 10 Mb.

Speed is everything for some people. Download volume is more important for others.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22899069 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:41:07 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22898300 sbrook : No, but the throttling of VPN is not done by port. It's done by detection of encrypted traffic ... which is usually considered a hallmark of trying to get around throttling on P2P.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22898300 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:37:01 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22898256 cpsycho : Im paying $50/month. (this includes modem rental)

I got 1/.412 service(im at the 5 mile cusp). Static IP, no caps, no throttle, no ports blocked. I run a email server now, hosting two websites, another server for web hosting 2 sites. I deal with lag every once and a while. I also am using 60-100gb a month. I dont play FPS games anymore, but I stopped playing them when I was on rogers because of what they were doing on their network.

So lets break cost structure down and see who is the fool for spending what.

Wightman: $50 unlimited everything under the sun. (taxes in)

Rogers 3/.256 package: No static ip, port 25 blocked, cant run any services. 25 gig Cap, throttling. I would be hit with a modem fee and for sure the 25 dollar fee on top of that. So I would be paying 73-74 bucks (taxes in). Oh there is the other thing, I would need to host my server not at home, so tack on another 6 bucks a month to that.

So 80 bucks a month with rogers for half the service I get with wightman.

Also if I need to ever make a late payment, wightman is basically 1%, rogers is a $25 dollar fee.

So best value for your money?

Wightman wins hands down.

Anyone willing to pay $150+ For a crap service like that, needs to take some classes in economics.

Seriously top webservers out there are barely breaking the 1mb barrier. So you have a 50/2 service basically for news groups. 50mb service with gaming? Don't make me laugh, the most time sensitive gaming out there is fps games. You need a better latency more then a 50mb service. Rogers now sucks for latency.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22898256 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:28:43 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22898030 static416 :

said by sbrook

:

Rogers does NOT block many ports.

They block ports used by Microsoft file/printer sharing on your node to reduce the chance of people stealing files/services from your system or implanting viruses.

They block inbound port 25 into the Rogers network except to the Rogers inbound SMTP servers, and block outbound port 25 except to Rogers outbound SMTP servers. This is done for spam and virus protection. It means that you must either use Rogers servers, OR have a 3rd party server that you can access on an alternate port.

That's it, in total.

But they throttle VPN down to nothing in many cases don't they?

I know they have in the past, but I'm unable to get a straight answer if they do it now. It seems it happens in some places and not in others, like the bittorrent throttle. Will they unblock VPN for my connection if I specifically requested it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22898030 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:59:09 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22897946 sbrook : Rogers does NOT block many ports.

They block ports used by Microsoft file/printer sharing on your node to reduce the chance of people stealing files/services from your system or implanting viruses.

They block inbound port 25 into the Rogers network except to the Rogers inbound SMTP servers, and block outbound port 25 except to Rogers outbound SMTP servers. This is done for spam and virus protection. It means that you must either use Rogers servers, OR have a 3rd party server that you can access on an alternate port.

That's it, in total.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22897946 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:50:39 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22897809 cacruden : The problems with the service - that I have is that:

I "could" go as maybe $120 a month, but this would be $149 a month + other commitments - and today I disconnected the Cable (within the last year I went from pretty much all channels, to VIP, and now to none). I found I was only really watching one channel and one channel for $70 is a little too much..... so I have gone OTA with a few downloads from iTunes US (plus the I already own pretty well all TV-shows I can think of pre-2000).

The problems I have with the service is I don't want anyone potentially blocking ports, Rogers does not offer static IPs (at least on any reasonable package - or price point), I would be much happier with 5up/5down up than 25/50up and 1/2down - and even if they did have higher up - I doubt they would allow you to use it since that is where they like to molest things. I want to run any servers that I want, be able to VPN from around the world and hairpin out to the internet. This is just more speed that if I use - I would rarely need. I know that I have a cap (mine is 200 - which I rarely hit) - I download Snow Leopard (6g), Linux (4G) regularly, or TV shows - I usually download one day in advance - no big deal. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22897809 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:35:51 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22896648 static416 : Now if I had unlimited money? I'd get the 50/2 package, and an OpenVPN account with StrongVPN to get around the throttle.

But while I'm dreaming I'd like a Maserati and a 1500sq ft condo too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22896648 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:43:33 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22896630 static416 : I must say, I'm a current Teksavvy customer and this is tempting. Appeals to the tech-nerd in me that wants the fastest and newest thing. Still a little too expensive for what you're getting, but it's making me think about moving to the 25/1 125GB package.

That's over double what I'm paying now, but it's over 5 times the speed. If the 25mbit package was $75 I wouldn't even hesitate.

But for the moment I'm going to give Rocky the benefit of the doubt and see what he comes up with before the UBB kicks in.

Hmm.....

Now that I think about it, it's really not very useful.

Even on 5mbit DSL I almost never wait for anything. And when I do it's because something is seeded poorly, not because it's limited by the connection. $70 more a month for faster surfing and a lower cap? Probably not worth it.

If it was 5mbit up and 200gb cap, that would be a different story.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22896630 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:40:36 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22896211 anon : When I refer to HD movies, I am talking about movies we have created not commercial movies. While they are not long, maybe 12 minutes, they are about 3 to 5 GB. They are shot in true HD format (1920 x 1080) so they tend to be larger than the average video.

Once I have converted the video to various bitstream rates, uploading them back to the streaming server is an all day event because of the slow upload rates.

Like others in the thread, the only whinners are the ones who are sharing reams and reams of stuff. Just be glad you are not in parts of Europe where the only option is DSL and the speeds are consistently slow both up and down. Doesn't matter about the file sharing even without the throttling, you would have about the same speeds or in some cases no service for hours on end.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22896211 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:58:11 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22894962 cacruden :

said by completidiot :

I guess I am one of those complete idiots. Speed is everything for me not the amount of cap. I have never hit the cap once and I have had the top tier service they offer including the new DOCSIS 3. When I need to get a database from a server that is HUGE, the speed is everything especially if there is a problem I need to solve. Same goes for the uploading back to the server.

And I am doing a lot of downloading and uploading of HD videos to the streaming servers we use. I am just disappointed that the upload speed is still low. It should be 5 Mbit.

So you cannot hit 95 GB cap, and yet you need the speed to download huge databases? What do you call a huge database? I have one on my computer - a small one - 450GB :p

But seriously, you need the database now, and only once? If you use the full speed to do a download you will hit your cap in a matter of hours (i.e. probably around 5 hours of download time). So you are downloading a huge database, and HD movies (I am assuming that you are not using BitTorrent since it is throttled and you will never get the speed you are talking - so maybe an HD movie from iTunes - at least that is what I will use for my assumption). You download an HD movie from iTunes - that will likely take around 3GB of the 95GB cap - so without the "huge" database you might be able to download 31 movies a month before hitting the cap (assuming you do nothing else).

That means that is going to cost you about $5 per movie to download (on top of the purchase price). [I that the need for speed means that you are one of those special people that needs to download it within minutes of it's release - but were not in that much of a hurry so you did not see it in the Theatre].

A fool and his money is soon parted :p ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22894962 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:47:37 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22894721 mlerner :

said by jackr

:

On one had is the government trying to desperately clamp down on any type of file sharing. And to make that work, they would have to enlist the help of Rogers and all ISP's to make your IP instantly available by log to the police/RIAA/CRIA. On the other hand, you have a 50 mpbs that's practically made for file sharing, that Rogers wants us to buy into. What's the freaking message Rogers is trying to send. Get 50 mbps service and get your mail faster. Get you Facebook account to open in a billionth of second? Nope. They're practically acting like pushers. Psst. Hey you. Want to buy some fast service. Just don't smoke it anywhere anyone can see. Hokay?

I think really it's all about marketing. If you got an eager rich guy or average joe who doesn't know the details of what they're buying you can say "Well sir this is the fastest service you can get. Bell only offers 60% that of our speed." Like the poster above, he can't get it without another Rogers service. Why? cause they don't want him to actually use it for p2p!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22894721 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:00:48 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22894678 jackr : On one had is the government trying to desperately clamp down on any type of file sharing. And to make that work, they would have to enlist the help of Rogers and all ISP's to make your IP instantly available by log to the police/RIAA/CRIA. On the other hand, you have a 50 mpbs that's practically made for file sharing, that Rogers wants us to buy into. What's the freaking message Rogers is trying to send. Get 50 mbps service and get your mail faster. Get you Facebook account to open in a billionth of second? Nope. They're practically acting like pushers. Psst. Hey you. Want to buy some fast service. Just don't smoke it anywhere anyone can see. Hokay?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22894678 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:52:34 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892989 BliZZardX : I called in again today. They won't let me order. You can't have Ultimate without also subscribing to either digital cable or Rogers Home Phone. I don't understand how they can justify the price with that kind of restriction.

Read the fine print:
** Service only available in some areas in the GTA. Digital TV subscription required.

^ B.S.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892989 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:26:53 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892906 anon : I guess I am one of those complete idiots. Speed is everything for me not the amount of cap. I have never hit the cap once and I have had the top tier service they offer including the new DOCSIS 3. When I need to get a database from a server that is HUGE, the speed is everything especially if there is a problem I need to solve. Same goes for the uploading back to the server.

And I am doing a lot of downloading and uploading of HD videos to the streaming servers we use. I am just disappointed that the upload speed is still low. It should be 5 Mbit. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892906 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:23:58 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892878 cacruden : Not to mention that - if you cannot reach your peak during that time -- maybe the other system is loaded at that peak time :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892878 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:05:41 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892138 bt :

said by Manesh

:

I don't agree with that... There are times that I can't maintain 10Mbps during peak hours. Very often I get limited to 8Mbps.

Caps don't really help with that. Speed is impacted by daily peak-period usage, not by monthly overall usage. In fact, monthly caps can actually make it worse, as many people will either actively monitor their usage (meaning they don't leave downloads running overnight, instead only using bandwidth at peak times) or try to play catch-up and get as close to the cap as possible at the end of the month.

If they actually wanted to use caps to help avoid congestion, they'd either do daily limits (to encourage spreading your usage evenly across a month) or only cap peak-period usage (to encourage downloading outside of peak periods, when congestion is less likely).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22892138 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:07:49 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891687 mlerner :

said by cacruden

:

The 50 megabit service will allow you to hit the cap in a matter of hours of consistent high-speed downloading. I just cannot see how it is worth it to pay $100 more to download a file fast - if it is the last thing you will be able to do that month :p

This service is only for those people that are complete idiots, that is what Roger's is banking on anyway :p

Agreed but I think perhaps they're targeting big households where you might have multiple people watching youtube or downloading from itunes. That kind of tier with that kind of low bandwidth is useless for anyone else who doesn't do many simultaneous downloads since you're not going to see that kind of speed on any individual source.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891687 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:59:29 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891647 cacruden : The 50 megabit service will allow you to hit the cap in a matter of hours of consistent high-speed downloading. I just cannot see how it is worth it to pay $100 more to download a file fast - if it is the last thing you will be able to do that month :p

This service is only for those people that are complete idiots, that is what Roger's is banking on anyway :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891647 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:54:30 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891518 Stewy :

said by mlerner

said by Manesh

:

You just said caps are not necessary... however there is clearly network congestion.

Most people don't want volume, but want speed.

Caps have nothing to do with network congestion.

I second that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891518 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:30:27 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891509 Stewy :

said by Xec

:

What Rogers Should Do...
Extreme: 15 Mb Down /10 Mb Up 325 GB Cap $55.00

I'd be happy for example to see something like this.

500Kbs down / 256Kbs up with 2Gb Cap for $20
(other tiers N/A)
$1 per Gb overage to a max of $50

3Mb down / 256Kbs up with 5Gb Cap for $30
(other tiers N/A)
$1 per Gb overage to a max of $50

8Mb down / 512Kbs up with 60Gb Cap for $45
(other tiers N/A)
$1 per Gb overage to a max of $50

12Mb down / 1Mb up with 100Gb Cap for $60
12Mb down / 1Mb up with 250Gb Cap for $80
12Mb down / 1Mb up with 500Gb Cap for $100
$2 per Gb overage to a max of $50

25Mb down / 1Mb up with 100Gb Cap for $95
25Mb down / 1Mb up with 250Gb Cap for $115
25Mb down / 1Mb up with 500Gb Cap for $135
$2 per Gb overage to a max of $50]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22891509 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:28:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890662 mlerner :

said by Manesh

:

You just said caps are not necessary... however there is clearly network congestion.

Most people don't want volume, but want speed.

Caps have nothing to do with network congestion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890662 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:44:13 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890644 Manesh : You just said caps are not necessary... however there is clearly network congestion.

Most people don't want volume, but want speed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890644 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:39:21 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890557 mlerner :

said by Manesh

:

I don't agree with that... There are times that I can't maintain 10Mbps during peak hours. Very often I get limited to 8Mbps.

And? you're only missing 2 mbps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890557 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:07:53 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890542 Manesh : I don't agree with that... There are times that I can't maintain 10Mbps during peak hours. Very often I get limited to 8Mbps. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890542 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:02:02 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890516 mlerner :

said by Manesh

:

You guys forget that only a small % of people care about caps. Rogers has over 500,000 subscribers and less then 100 people are complaining... I rather have ~100GB caps with a more consistent speed and less down time. At the end of the day, to the complainers leave Rogers... I''m sure they will be happy to see you go.

The whole point is the CAPS AREN'T NECESSARY! They've built up the network to adequate levels, as long as they keep increasing capacity every 6 months (their figure) then they don't need to add a bandwidth caps or at least not ones that low.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890516 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:51:07 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890491 Manesh : You guys forget that only a small % of people care about caps. Rogers has over 500,000 subscribers and less then 100 people are complaining... I rather have ~100GB caps with a more consistent speed and less down time. At the end of the day, to the complainers leave Rogers... I''m sure they will be happy to see you go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22890491 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:39:52 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22889257 chronoss2009 : so if i get two extreme accounts ......
haha
2-10 megabit accounts wiht each having 1 megabit upload
110$ and a cap of 190GB versus what?

50 megabit 2 megabit upload and
150$ and a cap of 175GB

PROOF THEY ARE IDIOTS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22889257 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:30:34 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22889017 elec999 : Rogers should really offer a 1000mbit line and 1gb cap. Lets be fair I am joking around. But come on you telling people they can send digital photos and so on to all of your friends. If you are a photographer and want to send your photos to multiples emails in original resolution. (Lets be nice 100 pictures x 2.5 MB each = 250mbs x 4 friends after a party that's 1GB in one day. So a 50mbit service will let you get there really quickly and then run out of gas whats the point then? I give up here, maybe my point of view may be wrong, upload your photos to flickr then share with friends single upload to all friends. I am just trying to show I rather pay a bit more for a slower speed with a more allowance. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22889017 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:47:59 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22888370 Xec : What Rogers Should Do...

Lite: 3 Mb Down / 500 Kb Up 50 GB Cap $15.00

High Speed: 5 Mb Down /1 Mb Up 125 GB Cap $25.00

High Speed Plus: 10 Mb Down / 5 Mb Up 250 GB Cap $35.00

Extreme: 15 Mb Down /10 Mb Up 325 GB Cap $55.00

Extreme Plus: 20 Mb Down/ 20 Mb Up 500 GB Cap $75.00

Ultimate: 50 Mb Down / 20 Mb Up 750 GB Cap $125.00

Ultimate Plus: 50 Mb Down / 50 Mb Up 1000 GB Cap $175.00

And to add, since it's Rogers after all, price's are based on a Rogers Television Subscription.

Based on a slightly kinder Rogers approach.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22888370 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:51:23 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22887717 mlerner : Actually now that I see all these changes, I am quite pissed. They should give us at least another 3 mbps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22887717 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:59:26 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22887695 anon : they need to do something about extreme!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22887695 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:57:47 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22885039 Stewy :

said by comrad :

»www.rogers.com/web/link/hispeedB···ultPlans

They are still screwed up, Extreme Plus at the link show 125Gb per month but if you click on "learn more" it shows 95Gb per month.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22885039 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:46:50 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22885025 Stewy :

said by comrad :

Check out details on the new services here (though it looks like it is not final):

»www.rogers.com/web/link/hispeedB···ultPlans

Oh I've just taken another look and they seem to have cleaned it up a bit.

Also my biggest gripe is between express and extreme, for $14 more you simply get 35Gb more and double the upload speed.

and go figure Ultimate has less download usage than extreme plus but it's $50 more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22885025 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:42:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22885005 Stewy :

said by sbrook

:

My take ...

These tiers are getting to be nonsensical in terms of speeds and caps ... Ultra lite should be sub $25 , Lite should be sub $30, Express should be 8Mbps priced at sub $40, Extreme should be 12Mbps priced at sub $50, Extreme Plus should be 25Mbps (Cap 200GB) priced sub $80 and Ultimate should be 50Mbps (Cap 300GB) priced sub $120.

this is more of what you would normally see in a competitive market in North America.

I do agree that these tiers don't seem to make sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22885005 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:35:22 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881285 mlerner :

said by sbrook

:

Yeah ... which is why the Bell UBB on the wholesalers is a nonsense too ... why should wholesalers have to pay the inflated rates when the major part of the network cost being recouped by bandwidth charges is the external transit ... and wholesalers are using their OWN external transit!

That's always been my biggest gripe and the usage fees they're gonna charge are ridiculous, $22.50 for usage exceeding 60 GB up to 300 GB. If you divide 22.50 by 300 you get, tada 75 cents per GB. Gee where did that 75 cent per GB figure come up, oh yeah that's how much you pay after you exceed 300 GB! Therefor, they're pulling numbers out of thin air.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881285 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:37:59 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881245 sbrook : Yeah ... which is why the Bell UBB on the wholesalers is a nonsense too ... why should wholesalers have to pay the inflated rates when the major part of the network cost being recouped by bandwidth charges is the external transit ... and wholesalers are using their OWN external transit!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881245 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:32:44 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881229 mlerner :

said by sbrook

:

Overage charges across the board are a nonsense and should be constant at ALL levels. Why lower tiers get hit with higher prices is beyond me!

Oh come on sbrook, you know as well as I do the caps and overage fees are just another way to make profit. If they were really concerned about performance constraints they would cut us off after excessive usage and wouldn't have the max overage fee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881229 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:30:31 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881217 sbrook : My take ...

These tiers are getting to be nonsensical in terms of speeds and caps ... Ultra lite should be sub $25 , Lite should be sub $30, Express should be 8Mbps priced at sub $40, Extreme should be 12Mbps priced at sub $50, Extreme Plus should be 25Mbps (Cap 200GB) priced sub $80 and Ultimate should be 50Mbps (Cap 300GB) priced sub $120.

Overage charges across the board are a nonsense and should be constant at ALL levels. Why lower tiers get hit with higher prices is beyond me!

OR there should be a speed/cap matrix for pricing.

You should also be able to buy additional bandwidth packages.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881217 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:27:58 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881117 anon : Check out details on the new services here (though it looks like it is not final):

»www.rogers.com/web/link/hispeedB···ultPlans]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881117 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:23:07 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881136 anon : And here are the usage details:

»www.rogers.com/web/content/inter···vince=ON]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22881136 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:21:19 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22879613 BliZZardX : Which sign up link are you using? When I called in about it last week they told me it wasn't ready yet unless I worked for Rogers and wanted to use it as part of the DOCSIS 3 trial]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22879613 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:45:19 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22879595 LINCSAT : Tried signing up but you need to have rogers tv in order to get the n gateway 50/2 internet service/anyone know if this is correct?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22879595 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:41:19 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22879276 mlerner :

said by Steve Jobs

:

When is Rogers coming out with this plan?

Select areas mid-August so sometime in the next two weeks if it hasn't launched yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22879276 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:00:35 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22878800 Steve Jobs : When is Rogers coming out with this plan?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22878800 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:19:51 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22866808 bjlockie : How do those get legally put on youtube?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22866808 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:03:27 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22866796 bjlockie :

said by chronoss2009

:

ya and when they up the overages more and more you suddenly be stuck with said bill and if you terminate you get stuck with early termination fees out your butt. ( akak they start upping hte cost of overages WHICH THEY WILL )

I think you can cancel the contract without termination fees if they change the contract by increasing overage fees.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22866796 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:00:21 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865984 mlerner : See what the 50 megs? You know there's a press release. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865984 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:51:16 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865974 Leathal : I have still not seen this from Rogers so I doubt they can offer it..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865974 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:48:13 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865704 Angelo_ :

said by giggabotch

said by slaman

:

It's easy to reach 1TB a month...

Online backup or synchronization across remote location.

or you offer backup asa service to buisnesses :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865704 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:12:22 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865703 Angelo_ :

said by slaman

:

It's easy to reach 1TB a month...

Online backup or synchronization across remote location.

i can second that]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22865703 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:11:46 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22859000 giggabotch :

said by slaman

:

It's easy to reach 1TB a month...

Online backup or synchronization across remote location.

On an initial backup, yes. On subsequent incremental backups, no. Unless you really do have 1 TB of incremental backups to do over a network. In which case I would suggest you are a medium to large business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22859000 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:25:06 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22855459 slaman : It's easy to reach 1TB a month...

Online backup or synchronization across remote location.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22855459 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:12:47 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22854030 mlerner :

said by Stewy

said by chronoss2009

:

what if i were inventive and wanted to use said service for a home based business

You would be instantly breaking the Terms of Use. I'm not saying that it can't be done.

In the case of Rogers and Bell yes, for wholesale it's dependent on the policy of the ISP. TekSavvy though has no problem with it and will even you give you a static IP address subnet on request.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22854030 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:04:42 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853994 chronoss2009 : TSI you can
im allowed to run services buddy
go see there forum
YOU cable peeps CAN't nor have you ever been allowed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853994 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:58:21 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853793 Stewy :

said by chronoss2009

:

what if i were inventive and wanted to use said service for a home based business

You would be instantly breaking the Terms of Use. I'm not saying that it can't be done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853793 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:09:58 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853544 chronoss2009 : what if i were inventive and wanted to use said service for a home based business cause im disabled and could then sell stuff and pay taxes?
OH didn't think about that. and look to Europe and beyond about how we are the about almost the most expensive country int he WORLD for INTERNET.

I really hope htis recession goes on and in fact gets worse cause its gonna KILL these idiots for there pricing as more and more of us say screw it or share up accounts and when 1 megabit upload for 3 -5 people is not enough and we cant afford it , well thats it.

See one features with TSI is the fact i can run services at home. ROGERS has NEVER allowed that EVER. AND they are the forefront of screw you , and do as we want with your over priced hamburgers.

BEll isn't much better so what to do.
Whose going to be the man in Canada and step up and get us real internet?

and if you dont realize how much content is available on the net you dont realize that in 22 days as a experiment on a 5 meg unlimited i grabbed 900GB of JUST OLD OLD TV.
like 30 YEARS OLD. Some of it YOU can't even find in stores.

Think that each season of tv is 15 GB((and this is HDTV.xvids not HD which are 5 times as big) then think how 3.1 TB gets eaten up quick and it usually if im not mistaken the 1st few months that a new user is heaviest.
I when good tv shows are plenty was doing around 90 GB down and 90 up.
remember bittorrent is 1 to 1 ratio
so 3.1TB is really 1.55 TB
now divide that by 3 -5 people and suddenly its nothing big at all is it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853544 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:43:18 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22822003 anon :

Add $7 rental fee for the gateway to the $149.99.

It can also be purchased for $200.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22822003 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:34:28 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22811788 Leathal : There is something wrong if you want to pull down 3.1TB per month. :o)

I think it would be wise for Rogers to start offering the service like business internet service in a co-location by charging per Mbps based on 90 or 95 percentile, this way people might be more responsible what they download. :o)

Currently the company I work at pays $80 per Mbps on 7Mbps each month, it gets cheaper as you require more bandwidth. The connection to the network is 30Mbps burstable to 100Mbps.

Leathal]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22811788 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:22:38 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22799435 mlerner : You also get horrible caps, possible disconnection if you use too much and IPTV is only available in limited areas. Unless Bell starts building everywhere Rogers has the advantage of coverage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22799435 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:41:39 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22799419 BliZZardX : With the current promotion Bell Entertainment gives 30/15 internet speed plus IPTV for less than Rogers Ultimate and bundling.

Rogers: what will you do?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22799419 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:35:12 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22785780 anon : If you think about it also... nowadays everyone uses internet...

My parents use it, my girlfriend uses it, my brothers use it....

If one guy can use 500gb streaming from youtube a month, multiply that by the other people...

(Most familes have around 4 people imo, some many more)

Streaming isn't the only thing going on, you've got people gaming, and I always leave my characters in games running afk when I am not around.

My family personally doesn't use that much, but we do hit almost 500gb a month on a crap 5mbps connection.

Although I would prefer a WAY higher upload speed rather than download... When you have people streaming, and doing other stuff, gaming with 2 or 3 people at the same time lags like crazy... (depending on games)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22785780 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:20:53 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22758312 chronoss2009 : who cares if its 1 gigabit speed as long as the caps are retarded. YOU get what 4-5 hrs with the offering rogers gives you and then its overage time, how long before they up those costs, and so on and so on.
THE whole isp game here in Canada is a fraking joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22758312 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:04:32 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751930 anon : That sounds promising. I'll need this service regardless but would really appreciate if they tacked few megabits onto the upload and raised the cap by 200-300GB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751930 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:52:16 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751931 giggabotch : Check that. My mistake. Its in the the press release is still there under the 'Cable' section. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751931 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:48:44 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751532 giggabotch : I was just poking around the Rogers website looking at their press releases and I noticed that the July 10th 50 megabit service press release has been removed!
Mmmmmmmmmm? could this mean that there’s some tweaking is going on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751532 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:13:34 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751489 giggabotch :

said by chronoss2009

:

haha nice try bud 1 megabit = 10.8GB a day capacity maximum,

Your absolutely right and 1 Megabit per second is 10.8 GB a day. Nothing wrong with that math, nothing wrong with mine either. Multiply 10.8 x 5 and you get 54. That's the only place I multiplied by 5. You multiplied by 5 twice.

You obviously care about caps, I care about speed. I'll never, pull down 200G's in a month. So if you wish to pay $135.00 a month for 15Mb/s-2.4Mps, be my guest.

I suspect by the end of the year, once DOCSIS 3 is introduced, regular users with see an increase in their speed. Imagine Xtreme users around 15-16Mp/s]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22751489 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:04:34 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22749907 chronoss2009 :

said by giggabotch

said by chronoss2009

said by Daphoid

Holy! with numbers like that it's no wonder that Bell started throttling their resellers.
here's a little bit of math I did throttling not withstanding.

Teksavvy
5 Mb/s = 625 bytes per second.
900 GB is 900 000 000 000 bytes

625 x 60 = 37500 (minutes)
37500 x60 = 2250000 (hours)
2250000 x 24 = 54000000 (days)

900000000 (bytes in your cap) ÷ 54000000 (bytes per day) = 16.6 days

Rogers
10 Mb/s = 1250 bytes per second
95 GB is 95 000 000 000 bytes

1250 x 60 = 75000 (minutes)
75000 x 60 = 4500000 (hours)
4500000 x 24 = 108000000 (days)

95000000 (bytes in my cap) ÷ 108000000 (bytes per day) = .87 days

I'm lucky if I make it to 5.5 gigs a month, and I have two kids!
Maybe I can't download as much as you can per month, but at least I can do it in half the time! :o

haha nice try bud 1 megabit = 10.8GB a day capacity maximum,

( 1000 megabit = 125Kbytes a sec not the bell rogers 100Kbytes ideal)
and multiply per second by 60 to get minutes, and gain to get hours, and then by 24 to get daily ( then times by 5 [5 megabit] and then by 30[could do 30.4 as there are some months with 31])

multiplied by 5 = 54GB a day times 30 = 1.62TB actual maximum.
and ya im gonna enjoy my unlimited with a few TBdrives all filed up so i don't have to go around later and "pay" through the nose to get anyhting or anywhere.

Even on a month with NO downloading cause i game i do 80GB bandwidth

Now imagine that 175$
for 3 times the price i can get 3 lines with TSI at 55$ each and pay what? OMG LESS MONEY
and 4.8TB max capacity OMG awful don't care about down speed either. I want some up speeds as i have others on my network.

P.S. 3 200GB(600GB) TSI accounts at 5 megabit each times 3 = 15 megabit and 3 megabit up are only with taxes 45$x3=135

Something i may in fact end up doing as i do not see any landlord offering style of rogers for multiple users on a line or network.
There entire reason for caps is a single user uses under 40-60GB well what if you have 4 people on that network. I see pay 4 times as much again no sale to rogers.

Add to fact guys they throttle 100% all p2p make sit virtually unusable for any thing you actually want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22749907 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:36:43 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745554 sbrook : My "wayback machine" was nothing more than a tongue in cheek example of why this need to know what we're downloading is irrelevant.

Since there is supposedly all this competition, it seems strange that both corporations are doing things to piss off their customers, when with a few decent things they could quickly snaffle up the other's customers that wouldn't cost as much as the mega upgrades. For example people are tired of getting sales pitches when they call to get something fixed. They're tired of talking to people who barely understand English, let alone the technology they're supposedly supporting.

Compared to the technology upgrades, these and other fixes are cheap and will get them a lot of migrations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745554 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:09:24 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745518 giggabotch :

said by mlerner

said by giggabotch

I agree with the corporations. Why would you continue to build out and upgrade old infrastructure. The final battleground is fiber. Competition is leading them that way. It may be perceived that there is a laissez-faire attitude between Bell and Rogers, but let there be no mistake. These two companies are in real heated competition. The stakes are high given the increasing competition in the wireless market, or potential takeovers down the road of that competition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745518 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:04:15 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745411 mlerner :

said by giggabotch

:

But we’re no where near there yet, and isp’s do not have the internal capacity to deliver that much throughput.
So the current reality is, cable node and DSL users are still being choked by heavy downloaders. Cable companies and Bell networks still need upgrading in order to satisfy users nirvana.

That's the half truth. If you heard the CRTC hearing, the ISPs were basically using DPI and congestion as the scape goat to not continue investment in the network. Remember the major providers are private corporations so their interest is the lowest level of service that we can tolerate. Bell would have a decent network if they didn't stop their capital investments for the failed buyout, after that they stopped investing. Don't let the ISPs fool you into thinking that the infrastructure is in dire shape and DPI/caps are necessary, they dug their own hole.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745411 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:40:50 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745383 giggabotch : Come on! A Wayback Machine! When we talk relevance what does it mean for the other users and all their neighbors on the node? Their just trying to surf the net and download a few piddily files.
I believe the Internet has a long was to go before in becomes the sole method of delivery of enriched information. It needs to be far more than it is right now. Sure it’s revolutionary, but it’s not gone beyond text and youtube videos yet. The imagination abounds with the possibility of real time communications and enriched multimedia experience. IP delivery, I believe, will replace much of our traditional methods of communication. But we’re no where near there yet, and isp’s do not have the internal capacity to deliver that much throughput.
So the current reality is, cable node and DSL users are still being choked by heavy downloaders. Cable companies and Bell networks still need upgrading in order to satisfy users nirvana.
I don’t believe we’ll every see the demise of user caps until we start seeing Fiber to the Home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22745383 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:35:02 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744909 sbrook : OK, I want to pull 10Mpbs 24/7/30

so that's 1.25 MBps = 75 MBpm = 4500 MBph = 108000 MBpd = 3,240,000 MbpM = 3.1 TB per Month

Reason ... I want to archive the internet with a thing like the wayback machine.

See ... People can invent any reason they want to pull GOBS of data ... and they aren't necessarily using their max speed.

The only person they have to justify it to is themselves and their ISP. Why it concerns anyone else, except for idle curiosity, or for example a research paper by someone like Michael Geist, is absolutely irrelevant.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744909 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:10:11 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744730 Robrr : If he wants to pull it that is fine but for once I want to see someone lay out how they get to 1TB + of usage per month.

Preferably I would like to see someone lay out 1TB of data usage that is actually relevant and not just someone wanting to archive the internet every month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744730 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:36:46 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744602 sbrook : What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't MATTER if he wants to pull a TB. If he wants to pay for a TB, and Rogers is willing to provide it, then that's between him and Rogers. He doesn't have to justify his use of a TB to anyone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744602 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:07:23 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744516 Robrr :

said by sbrook

:

What does it matter? If he's pulling a TB then he's pulling a TB, no matter what it is. And that's what I mean about legitimacy.

Give me a reason to pull that much is what I am saying.

A friend and I have been brain storming on this as of late and we has about 250-300 GB of useful data usage per month.

This included VoIP calls, streaming TV episodes, various downloads (games, OS patches), security systems, remote backups, email etc.

Give me more to work with to get to 1TB]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744516 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:51:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744494 Robrr :

said by mlerner

:

And 500 GB caps would be more than reasonable!

I totally agree!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744494 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:46:24 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744491 sbrook : What does it matter? If he's pulling a TB then he's pulling a TB, no matter what it is. And that's what I mean about legitimacy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744491 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:45:36 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744487 mlerner : And 500 GB caps would be more than reasonable!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744487 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:44:39 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744418 Robrr : It's not the legitimacy of the downloads I am trying to drag into this, it is the actual use for the data being transferred regardless whether or not it is legal.

elwood said he watches star trek episodes on youtube so I am gonna use his example.

I checked around a few torrents and found that the average size of a Star Trek file is 350MB per file for a 30 minute episode.

That means that every hour he would consume 700MB of data.

In a 24 hour period he would consume 16800MB of data.

In a 30 day period he would consume 504,000 MB or 492GB of data.

So that isn't even half a terabyte per month of data]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22744418 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:33:23 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741669 sbrook : Lets not drag up this business of legitimacy of downloads ... it's irrelevant.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741669 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:37:59 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741650 elwoodblues :
I'm watching Star Trek episodes all day long on Youtube.. there's my 1tb for the month
--
Jake: "Four fried chickens, and a coke" Elwood: "And some dry white toast, pleas]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741650 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:31:36 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741506 Robrr : What I really want to see is someone justify 1TB+ of usage with something other than "linux distros"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741506 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:59:47 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22740791 giggabotch :

said by chronoss2009

said by Daphoid

said by chronoss2009

:

no it shows in fact that the price could be a lot more affordable to canadians and also shows you how MUCH rogers IS RIPPING YOU OFF. I neither have rogers nor verizon and i can do over 900-1000 GB without MLPPP on dsl service i have. YOU ROGERS PEOPLE CANT.

So, you want a cookie? Tell us something we don't know. Enjoy your unlimited Teksavvy while it lasts.

Moving on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22740528 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:42:35 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22739539 chronoss2009 :

said by Daphoid

:

1. Using Verizon as a comparison is pointless trolling aimed at getting a rise out of people. Since Canadians can't get Verizon service up here in the first place. Secondly its a well known fact that the US market has better competition for broadband internet then Canada does as we for the most part only have 1 or 2 major players per city.

2. Using the bandwidth cap as an argument is valid, but not the end all be all that some are hoping it would be. If you currently have the Extreme 10Mbps service, and don't go over the 95GB/month cap, then moving up to faster service and a bigger cap doesn't automatically mean you're going to hit the cap, it just means you'll get your data faster. If you only download 20GB per month, you'll just enjoy more speed throughout your surfing, thats all.

- D

no it shows in fact that the price could be a lot more affordable to canadians and also shows you how MUCH rogers IS RIPPING YOU OFF. I neither have rogers nor verizon and i can do over 900-1000 GB without MLPPP on dsl service i have. YOU ROGERS PEOPLE CANT.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22739539 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:26:13 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22738292 Tack :

said by InvalidError

:

The TCP/IP protocol does NOT require an ACK for every single packet received, it only requires that ACKs be sent for the most recent packet received in-order and all packets since the last ACK get implicitly ACK'd.

I'm glad finally someone corrected this misinformation.

In practice saturating 10Mbit downstream only requires about 220Kbit upstream in ACKs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22738292 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:38:06 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732475 mlerner : If speed is the only concern I can only see the 18 mbps tier as useful because if all you do is email, surfing or HTTP/FTP file downloads you'll probably never reach above 10-15 mbps. 50 is just useless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732475 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:54:00 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732467 Daphoid : My girlfriend was commenting the other day that Americans would probably cry themselves to sleep if they had to come up here and deal with our Internet/Cellphone monopoly. They whine and moan down there as it is, even when they got a 250GB cap, they'd surely die up here :)

- D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732467 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:51:44 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732458 Daphoid : 1. Using Verizon as a comparison is pointless trolling aimed at getting a rise out of people. Since Canadians can't get Verizon service up here in the first place. Secondly its a well known fact that the US market has better competition for broadband internet then Canada does as we for the most part only have 1 or 2 major players per city.

2. Using the bandwidth cap as an argument is valid, but not the end all be all that some are hoping it would be. If you currently have the Extreme 10Mbps service, and don't go over the 95GB/month cap, then moving up to faster service and a bigger cap doesn't automatically mean you're going to hit the cap, it just means you'll get your data faster. If you only download 20GB per month, you'll just enjoy more speed throughout your surfing, thats all.

- D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732458 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:49:41 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732323 mlerner :

said by Sanek

:

I take it there is no chance of getting this service anywhere in the Ottawa area (or hoping for an increase in speed on other services)?

The second phase of upgrades will begin in September after the GTA, I imagine Ottawa would be next but I'd say don't bother unless you want to waste your money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732323 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:58:26 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22731899 Sanek : I take it there is no chance of getting this service anywhere in the Ottawa area (or hoping for an increase in speed on other services)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22731899 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:36:36 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22697120 chronoss2009 : hehe i did ( and that is after all taxes and the dry loop )and was looking at this for the hope that a 50 megabit plan would offer somehting of value and , i can see not only is it not , but that some information about the amount of profit rogers is gouging needs be seen as the Verizon pricing shows.
ya its USD but our dollar isn't that different.

So as a heads up its a complete rip off period.
Download up to 50 Mbps / Upload up to 20 Mbps

$144.95/mo. - with Verizon home phone service
$139.95/mo. - without Verizon home phone service

unlimited / no caps
so 15.2 TB max vs rogers 125 GB divide and multiply what the true cost rogers is selling to you at.
123.52 times 149.99 = a WHOOPING 18,526 $$
If you all get and stay under your cap

Then in your decision factor in how they work the overages and subtract....ugh too much math all these caps and overage. Sorry no sale. TOO expensive , even for a landlord's son running internet for the tenants.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22697120 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:33:38 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696782 chronoss2009 : ya and when they up the overages more and more you suddenly be stuck with said bill and if you terminate you get stuck with early termination fees out your butt. ( akak they start upping hte cost of overages WHICH THEY WILL )

YA no thanks we can just see things getting cheaper cant we.
in last 3 years prices at rogers and bce have sky rocketed to point where many people just account share and time share there downloading amongst friends who then take off line and wander over to there buds and copy.

55$ per 1600GB is a teksavvy 5 megabit profile
ill take that over any 175$ bs any day
and don't tell me you need more then a tb a month but by off chance ya did well your screwed with rogers heck at 200GB your screwed.
LIKE no thanks and the 2 megabit upload and the terms a service aka i cant run my own web server, or ftp server or other services means i get far far far more value for my buck with a freer service that the isp supports net neutrality.

not the overage comes into play at what point 125GB right?
so then what do you pay up to when that full 25$ extra is. thats the max GB before its lessened
if say i did 150GB a month i'm getting screwed then by rogers while some rich brat does 1 TB and laughs that we both pay the same?
make it all unlimited or set a much higher cap. Give people right to run there own services too. open up your mind to your own potentials. Being with the big boys is like being spoon fed from a baby bottle when i'm an adult and can walk and make my own food.
Verizon FIOS service pricing comparisons
Download up to 15 Mbps / Upload up to 5 Mbps

$44.99/mo. - with Verizon home phone service
$49.99/mo. - without Verizon home phone service
-----------------------------------------------------
Download up to 25 Mbps / Upload up to 15 Mbps

$64.99/mo. - with Verizon home phone service
$69.99/mo. - without Verizon home phone service
-----------------------------------------------------
Download up to 50 Mbps / Upload up to 20 Mbps

$144.95/mo. - with Verizon home phone service
$139.95/mo. - without Verizon home phone service]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696782 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:55:38 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696267 InvalidError :

said by Robrr

:

So if someone has a use for 15.44TB of data per month, Rogers would be the better deal :)

Although Rogers has a $25/month overage cap, I would be surprised if you did not get a phone call after two or three consecutive months of going over 1TB/month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696267 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:23:29 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696149 InvalidError :

said by koolin

:

what a joke, 50/2 and 25/1. You cant even get those dl speeds with such little upload.

The TCP/IP protocol does NOT require an ACK for every single packet received, it only requires that ACKs be sent for the most recent packet received in-order and all packets since the last ACK get implicitly ACK'd.

With ACK rate limiting and sufficiently large reception window (RWIN) values, the ACK rate can be less than a tenth of the packet rate and still allow full-speed transmission using MTU-sized TCP/IP packets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696149 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:49:27 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696145 Robrr : ... if you subscribed to the 50/2 service and shelled out the extra $25 for overages they could download about theoretical of 15.44 TB/month

So for a quick calculation of cost

Rogers
$175 (150 + 25) / 15 810GB = $0.011/GB

Teksavvy
$85/3200 = $0.026/GB

So if someone has a use for 15.44TB of data per month, Rogers would be the better deal :)

{Edited to remove reference to deleted post - mod}]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22696145 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:48:48 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695957 mlerner : Well not for long if Bell dodges the CRTC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695957 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:00:24 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695739 Robrr :

said by Stewy

said by RogersDude :

You only get 50Mbps INSIDE Rogers own network and not 50Mbps to everywhere on the internet.

and it's still $150 PER MONTH

Guys, like seriously....

That is just trolling. You will get 50/2 service everywhere on the internet provided the server you are connected to can send data that fast.

edit: sp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695739 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:03:01 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695542 Stewy :

said by RogersDude :

You only get 50Mbps INSIDE Rogers own network and not 50Mbps to everywhere on the internet.

and it's still $150 PER MONTH

Guys, like seriously....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695542 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:10:34 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694829 dirtyjeffer :

said by jfmezei

:

I have a friend in new jersey. He got 30/30 on cable and the right to run his servers with static IP. This is not advertised, BUT:

»www.optimumbusiness.com/online/packages.jsp

101mbps and 15mbps upstream is a standard package.

that's the beauty of population density...when you only need to service the New York metropolitan area, and get over 5 million customers, you can really build up your network quite well...unfortunately, in Canada, you have to spread your assets and upgrades out thinly (in comparison)...if you think that is a good deal, you should check out Japan or Sweden...they are even better.
--
Today's motto: Dearly beloved, We are gathered here today to bid farewell to personal responsibility and accountability.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694829 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:59:05 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694704 jfmezei : I have a friend in new jersey. He got 30/30 on cable and the right to run his servers with static IP. This is not advertised, BUT:

»www.optimumbusiness.com/online/packages.jsp

101mbps and 15mbps upstream is a standard package.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694704 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:22:37 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694062 anon : Hey all, this ain't news but for a hoot check out the comments under the article on the 50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0, 802.11N Gateway offering by our friends at Robbers.....(use link on the home page of this site).....Besides providing some with a moment of comic relief there are a few interesting pieces there......or so I thought anyway.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694062 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:35:11 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692144 mlerner :

said by RogersDude :

You only get 50Mbps INSIDE Rogers own network and not 50Mbps to everywhere on the internet.

And you have proof of this? I get 10/1 outside of the network and most people with 18/1 get the same speeds outside as well though not consistently.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692144 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:40:05 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692028 anon : You only get 50Mbps INSIDE Rogers own network and not 50Mbps to everywhere on the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692028 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:18:39 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688518 giggabotch : Heres the release as sent to Canada News Wire.

»www.canadanewswire.ca/en/release···972.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688518 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:16:28 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688435 sbrook : That link is horribly broken!

It causes a crash of the page generator.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688435 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:58:49 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688429 giggabotch : Here's Rogers official press release
»www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal···_LANDING
And the explanation as to why Rogers dosen't announce tier changes, is because they want to sell as many Extreme-Plus pakages as they can within the next three months.
My wild guess for Extreme users is, don't expect a speed update until October.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688429 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:57:33 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688345 anon : I'm actually surprised that Rogers doesn't announce upcoming things like DOCSIS3.0 or higher speeds. We only know about those things thanks to some leaks. I, for one, would like to hear about those positive events up front. This way, having been exposed to their crappy service on a daily basis and suffering from it immensely, I could at least live a few months with an illusion/hope for a better service coming. It's better than nothing (and for sure better than constant price increases without any meaningful explanations other than "...because we strive to provide you with a better internet experience than our only competitor who is even worse than us"). I mean I know that normal companies don't expose their plans too quickly so that their competition doesn't have enough time to react.... but come on! If your only competitor is something like Bell, which maybe is a 800 pounds gorilla but with a battery of tranquilizer-filled syringes sticked up in its ass, you don't really have to worry. There is a big chance they wouldn't react in this decade anyway, even if they knew about the plans years ago.
So please, Rogers marketers, give us some idea of what's coming (aside from price increases). Tease us a little bit with a hint of faster speeds, pet us with mentions of higher caps, and amuse us with a word of better service. Throw the "DOCSIS3.0" signs at us so that for once we can write some optimistic posts on this forum. Right now I have "Extreme" service, which has the same speed as "Express", but cost me $60 now (BTW: WTF with this price?!?) and I'm completely in the dark in terms of any future plans regarding my plan. Should I change? Should I wait for higher download/upload speeds soon? Help me make the decisions, Rogers!
And while I'm at it, I have to admit I was thinking that after Express, Extreme and Extreme Plus, they run out of those stupid names. But yet they decided that "Ultimate" represents even more than "Extreme Plus". I just cannot wait to see what is gonna be the next one? "Sooper dooper we-will-fscking-blow-your-hair-off-your-scalp"? But probably there will be "Ultimate Plus" before that. In the mean time, with its dying turtle upload speeds, "Express" has nothing to do with express, and "Extreme" is not even regular if you compare to most western countries. Can we have names that actually mean something and describe the product? OMG...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688345 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:42:35 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22686401 sbrook : No news ... and still all this DOCSIS 3 stuff isn't published yet by Rogers ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22686401 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:13:11 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22686368 anon : Any news about the Extreme speed? Is it going to be bumped after DOCSIS3.0 is in place?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22686368 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:12:19 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22685926 anon : Gotta have more dollars than sense to sign up for this.

A service, which will take you less than 6 HOURS according to the info to use your ENTIRE MONTHLY download limit! What a joke...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22685926 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:18:07 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22685804 anon : The pricing is due to Canadians willingness to pay. Business person after business person has told me this for all sorts of things. Stop being suckers and you'll get better pricing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22685804 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:56:51 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684963 mlerner : It's a modem/router combo. I guess with the popularity of networking they decided to provide it as a combo instead of standalone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684963 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:56:18 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684945 askywalker : fantastic - thanks for sharing that. looking forward to giving it a whirl..

any idea why it would need the wireless n modem? I have my own wireless gear, so not looking to get a new wireless n device - but happy to swap out to a different modem if they need me to...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684945 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:53:31 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684211 Robrr : Yes you can.

I think it was discussed earlier in this thread that the max dl you can get is 37.5 Mbps with 1Mbps of upload so both those tiers are 100% capable of obtaining their full speed assuming the other end is capable of delivering it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684211 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:15:06 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683945 koolin : what a joke, 50/2 and 25/1. You cant even get those dl speeds with such little upload.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683945 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:02:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683514 Robrr : posted this in a thread over in the Teksavvy area but thought I would post it here as well. This is a c/p from digital home from rRep

quote:
Hi all,

No prices.

Extreme Plus:

Download: 25 Mbps
Upload: 1 Mbps
Data Transfer: 125 GB per month

An "Enhanced Home Networking Gateway (Wireless N)" is required for this service. The existing "cap" for overages will still apply @ $25, no word yet on the per GB charge.

The rollout date for this is August 17, 2009 in the GTA. Subject to change, of course!! Other areas will continue to be rolled-out throughout 2010.

---

Ultimate Tier:

Download: 50 Mbps
Upload: 2 Mbps
Data Transfer: 175 GB per month

Customers are required to have Digital Equipment (Meaning Digital Cable), and the Wireless N modem is required as well. August 17, 2009 is the rollout date. Subject to change, as always .. other areas to follow throughout 2010.

---

Regarding DOCSIS3 - August 15 is the date for implementation in the follow postal codes:

Toronto
M5X
M5J
M5W
M5C
M5G
M5B
M4Y
M5R
M4V
M4T
M4S
M5P
M4P
M4R
M4N
M5M
M2P
M2N
M2R
M2M

Markham
L3T

Vaughan
L4J

Richmond Hill
L4B
L4C
L4E

Newmarket
L3X
L3Y

Bradford // East / West Gwillimbury
L9N

All other areas surrounding Toronto (Pickering, Ajax, Brampton, Missisauga, etc) DOCSIS3 is expected on September 18th.

NOTE: THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME. I post this as a user on this forum, and this should not be considered "official" word by Rogers until it's announced publicly.. but I figured you all would enjoy it. If you're wondering if your area is included with the DOCSIS3 rollout, lemme know the first 3 of your post code.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683514 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:41:54 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683273 bt :

said by xxgg

:

If the cap is say... 250gb would u consider ?
I personally would consider if I could do it without contract.

How'bout you people?

Nope. I have yet to use more than half of my 95gb cap, so price is a much more important factor than a higher cap and $150 is (much) more than I'm willing to spend on internet access.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683273 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:36:08 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682949 HiVolt :

said by xxgg

:

If the cap is say... 250gb would u consider ?
I personally would consider if I could do it without contract.

How'bout you people?

Lol, hell no. i do about 150-250gb on my ADSL that costs me $40 for unlimited.
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ALSO shaws 100megabit was 249$
double this and your at 300$
so Ontario gets shafted not only on a cap but price too.

Looks like they want to roll it out and not have to wait to recover costs like other isps south of the border do. Then screw you on UUB and caps.
And what is the cost of 50 megabit elsewhere let alone 100megabit

heck i can get a 100megabit server dedicated to me at under 30$ in Europe ( NO CAP).

NO to caps and UUB. Think about having htis for a home with say 4 users , suddenly that 200 GB cap = crap alright even a 500GB one for 4 people would suck.

And wiht way these peopels docontracts ya agreed with aobve guy no contract cause they WILL raise price and THEY will change terms when they can get away with it.

Rich people get your internet now. Rest of us screw you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682536 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:21:32 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682480 andrewhaji : I think $150 per month is a bit unreasonable for a residential user.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682480 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:07:15 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682437 mlerner : Maybe 300 GB but in any case all I need is 10-15 mbps. I don't really need anything higher.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682437 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:56:51 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682425 xxgg : If the cap is say... 250gb would u consider ?
I personally would consider if I could do it without contract.

How'bout you people?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682425 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:55:07 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682328 Sunfox : According to the other thread on DHC Ultimate will likely be 175gb, and Extreme Plus 125gb.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682328 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:36:47 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682321 chronoss2009 : Ya like who cares if its 50 megabit or 500 megabit if your capped to 30GB or 60 or 100 GB
all that doe sis mean your done quick and that 150$ a month goes Right tot the yacht for the CEO.
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ONE MEGABIT UPLOAD, are they kidding, what a joke.
and caps = rip off no sale, almost considered it for a home with multiple people until they add caps and overages.
To little bandwidth availa fo ra month , and upload is not neough to justify it.

FAIL

3 bonded dsl lines at 15 megabit and a 3 megabit up are a better deal and WAY cheaper.
ANd you morons realize that a 250GB cap at 50 megabit speed = like a days use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682321 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:35:37 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681900 HiVolt : To make even a little sense the cap would have to be in the range of 250gb. If its something silly like 125-150 its ridiculous.
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said by HiVolt

:

What's the monthly cap on the 50MB service?

I'd also like to know this. I bet it's something ridiculous like 50 GB per month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681699 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:30:56 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681497 HiVolt : What's the monthly cap on the 50MB service?
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Just as an aside, while I'm sure it's true that the vast majority of residential lines are throttled, mine isn't, in fact I've had more than a few torrents hit 1MB/s (byte, not bit) on my recently upgraded Express (10/0.5) connection, in midtown Toronto, and most decently seeded ones can expect 200kB/s minimum. Not really sure why I'm not being throttled, I live in an upscale neighbourhood, but if anything that would suggest to me more highspeed subscribers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681175 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:52:54 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681078 mlerner : Check the fine print in the link of the article:

Ultimate Service price is $149.99 per month

»hispeed.rogers.com/bband/content/first50/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681078 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:33:21 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681040 dirtyjeffer : but, no price is mentioned in the article.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681040 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:27:13 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681018 mlerner : Well I guess the good thing is the DOCSIS 3.0 rollout which will fix almost all of the capacity issues at the node but the 50 mbps service is useless with that pricing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681018 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:23:52 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22680973 xxgg : »www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch···972.html

It's officially launched!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22680973 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:15:29 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22676913 Sunfox : The new Extreme Plus tier at 25/1 with 125gb might be interesting, however I still fully expect some sort of speed boost for existing Extreme users. I mean we had the huge price increase, but haven't seen anything for it... right now we're paying $13 more than Express and getting very little for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22676913 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:12:55 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22676553 Robrr : Thats cause your on the business package ATechie. It would look bad if the were throttling/capping business customers

All residential customers suffer from throttling/capping.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22676553 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:10:08 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22675427 anon : Anyone who says Rogers Caps everything is full of it, I have the Business Dedicated package for 149.99 a month (1.5 up and 13 down is my average). Ive downloaded torrents at 900KB nearly the 1MB without encryption or SSL. There are no caps nothing.

Im more interested in the Uploads, I was going to get Aliant however 90KB up and 5Mb down for 169.99 vs Rogers 13/1.5 with 5 dedicated IP addresses (NO PORTS BLOCKED using port 25 for my exchange server)

Id pay more for more upload]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22675427 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:13:28 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22673875 cpsycho : any company that runs me a 20/20 line I would pay 100 bucks a month for at max, but that includes no caps and no throttle.

This 50/1 deal sucks big time.

50/1 seriously what is the point of having 1mb up would you could easily saturate the line.

This product is aimed at games who have no clue about the internet, my brother would buy this in an instant if I was not around to educate him.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22673875 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:29:22 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671540 Jazdi :

said by sknighti

:

caps are set at 175gb i believe

So, Express has a cap to speed ratio twice that of this proposed 50mb service? Pathetic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671540 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:19:31 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671439 sknighti : caps are set at 175gb i believe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671439 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:03:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653237 sbrook : Pure profit is not the term I'd use. Pure profit means that the sale or service to a customer costs you nothing, so all his revenue goes to profit. Considering that every user has some portion of Rogers monthly costs, it's not "pure profit". There are actually very few business opportunities that are pure profit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653237 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:04:27 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652563 dirtyjeffer :

said by Angelo_

:

these days i say being an ISP is more profitable then having your own tv station...

ISPs get pure profit after overhead

ummm, isn't that the same regardless of what business you are in?...once you cover your overhead, everything left over is profit. ;)
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ISPs get pure profit after overhead]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651081 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:12:59 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649009 rik : yup, after caps, and throttling, ...., it'll end up 30k up/down.
whoopeee !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649009 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:23:41 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648292 slaman : Wow 1mbit up?

What a joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648292 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:44:28 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646975 anon : I won't spend $149.99 for internet. It wouldn't matter if they had no caps. I just don't need that kind of speed. Half that speed for around $80 would be better. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646975 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:44:41 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645634 travisc : What makes you think TV service is more profitable than Internet service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645634 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:59:30 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645212 joshb :

said by static416

said by mlerner

:

If there is caps it's a total rip off.

And you just stated and gave them a reason as to exactly why they will put some sort of cap on this service... And it's most likely going to be stupidly low. The simple fact is TV service makes more money than internet service does. So Rogers and all cable companies basically want to avoid exactly the scenario you just painted... Internet service cannibalizing there TV service.

The fact is the cable companies and many other corporations want to have there cake and eat it too. And this just does not happen in the real world.

Regards,

Joshb
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said by mlerner

:

If there is caps it's a total rip off.

Agreed, just about any caps could easily be overrun in short order. P2P throttling would make this pointless. What am I going to do? Check my email at 50mbit?

However, I don't see why they wouldn't implement them. They already have set the precedent with their other services, and this could be a prime candidate to completely cannibalize their TV offerings if it's not controlled.

The only possible thing I can think of is that at $150 a month, they could market this as an elite, unlimited, super-fast service. And it's not a huge deal if it cannibalizes TV service at that price, because it's more than cable and cheaper to offer provide. But that's just speculation, I know nothing of the cable business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634225 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:22:10 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634142 mlerner : If there is caps it's a total rip off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634142 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:11:39 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634108 static416 : By the way, just heard from my marketing friend who is working for Rogers on this project.

It is 50 down, 1 up, and coming out in August. The rest is so far unconfirmed.

No info on the restrictions or caps, but unless Rogers suddenly decided to reverse their wicked ways, I'm certain they will exist and be sufficiently stifling to make most people question the worth of this plan. Rogers seems to have perfected the ability to make their services just bad enough to make me not want to buy them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634108 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:07:43 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22580580 anon : A couple things... if they offer 50 MB service, it's DOCSIS 3.0, I'm 100% sure of that.

Second, stop comparing US to CDN pricing... Not the same market size... Comcast has 10x the customers, with the same distance to cover infrastructure builds... economies of scale.. sorry, but that's just Canada... We pay more for gas, cars, consumables, and even taxes.... we buy the from the same suppliers, so it's the same costing... why is this new to anyone??

Rogers haven't even talk about cap limit yet, and ppl are already complaining... Just don't buy the service! Stick with the Extreme or Express...I don't think I'd get it no matter what the cost, speed isn't the issue to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22580580 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:46:45 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22559245 anon : Take it from me, it's DOCSIS 3 ;)

Word around the office is that it's going to be 50/2. Haven't heard any other numbers thrown around, but take that with a grain of salt. I have no idea what the cap will be like though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22559245 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:46:04 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22548080 joshb :

said by sbrook

:

Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark.

With that kind of pricing... and Depending on what the lower tiers offer.. It might be more economical to get 2 connections of a lower tier service.. Probably going to get a better cap. Also willing to bet it's going to be cheaper on a per month basis as well.

One thing I've learned about Internet service... Is in order to get what you want sometimes you really have to mix match not only providers but plans as well... Being creative can really pay off in this area... ;)

Regards

Joshb
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1. Currency values, folks. If Rogers were to exactly match CableVision, it'd be around $110 CDN a month; just a short while ago it would have been higher.

2. CableVision is something of an exception: with the exception of the just-launched Washington DC service, Comcast charges $140 US a month for 50Mbps. Even Verizon's FiOS service is $140 a month.

Also, it's virtually certain that any DOCSIS 3 tier would have higher caps; the real question is whether they'll be reasonable (120GB would still be a joke). I'd prefer Rogers takes the caps off, but if not that then I'd hope for at least something more like Comcast (plus Rogers' overage fee ceiling).

My question: will I have the option of replacing my existing service with faster DOCSIS 3 service? I wouldn't be surprised if there were upgrades to 20Mbps for Extreme customers... preferably with a higher cap there, too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22547489 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:10:31 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22546696 mlerner :

said by Stewy

said by mlerner

:

If it's 50 then it'll be DOCSIS 3 and it can handle that kind of speed but the question again is the caps and if they're the same low caps then it's overpriced.

38 Mbit/s is the max usable speed on DOCSIS 2 so yes it will have to be DOCSIS 3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22546696 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:14:33 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22546676 Stewy :

said by mlerner

:

If it's 50 then it'll be DOCSIS 3 and it can handle that kind of speed but the question again is the caps and if they're the same low caps then it's overpriced.

If 50Mbps is only with DOCSIS 3 then yea caps are not necessary.

My question remains, how is Rogers going to justify caps with docsis 3. If they say that a 250Gig cap is necessary with docsis 3 then there's something wrong with Rogers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22546676 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:08:48 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22546170 anon : That's actually not true. Some of the larger and cheaper residential Swedish ISPs will throttle external outbound traffic, depending on the time of day, to save on transit fees. Dedicated business lines don't normally have this restriction, the service is left open to its full potential. Bredband2 is a good example of an ISP with such a policy. However, some independent ISPs with very limited availability, and the dominant state-funded ISP, TELIA AB, use an equal network policy for all customers, where it is possible to transfer 10MB/s between say, Stockholm and Sydney.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22546170 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:26:51 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22544455 elec999 : Dear friends. $149.99 a month for 50mbits + plus if they have their $25 overage fee, it would be acceptable. Also the Sweden internet, the thing is damn fast within Sweden, outside your connections will drop to slow as help. Connect to a USA server to download a LINUX iso from a 50mbit Swiss ISP, you will get 5mbit or less.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22544455 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:01:58 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22542058 Robrr : You can pull 50 Mbps on a constant stream, there are places that will support it. One example of this is the University Of Waterloo Computer Sciences Club. I can download Ubuntu from them at a 50 Mbps at work.

As for Rogers and the delivery of the service, I hope they could come close to offering a steady 50 Mbps before they rolled it out to the public as I would be greatly offended to be a customer paying $149/month for internet and not getting most of that speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22542058 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:03:59 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22541873 sbrook : Apart from the fact that the MAXIMUM packet is 1500 bytes.

Now a quick bit of arithmetic (so there *could* be some errors!)

1500 bytes is 12000 bits which at 50 Mbps will allow 4000 packets to be sent per second.

40 bytes is 320 bits. So 4000 * 320 = 1.28 Mbps

So, yes, a constant stream at that speed would fill the pipe. BUT the reality is that you won't get data flowing at that speed in a constant stream. I doubt Rogers could deliver that much data that fast. If I had to guess, I'd say you're more likely to get a throughput of about half that speed, which would leave space on the upstream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22541873 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:36:27 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22541712 JAC70 :

said by sbrook

:

Absolutely no problem at all ... Most residential internet was designed with a 10/1 asymmetry, but even that has a lot of vacancy on the upstream with full downstream.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but given a packet is 1500 bytes, and an ack is 40 bytes, this would suggest a needed down/up ratio of 37.5 to 1. Wouldn't that mean 50/1 would saturate the upstream and prevent full speed, as suggested?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22541712 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:14:12 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22540859 elwoodblues :

said by Stewy

said by sbrook

:

Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark.

$99 with 250Gig with no bundles, scams, locks or fees, I would take it.

Not enough, while my downloading has dropped significantly.. I wouldn't want any kind of cap on that kind of service. If they could provide full symetrical service (at my business) with a SLA, I would drop my current provider in a heartbeat.
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said by sbrook

:

Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark.

$99 with 250Gig with no bundles, scams, locks or fees, I would take it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22539832 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:09:44 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22539564 sbrook : Absolutely no problem at all ... Most residential internet was designed with a 10/1 asymmetry, but even that has a lot of vacancy on the upstream with full downstream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22539564 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:29:16 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22539120 anon :

said by Robrr

:

They could not offer a 50/1 service because if you were downloading at 50 Mbps your upload would be more than completely saturated with ack packets.

Sure they could. Videotron does it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22539120 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:11:43 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22538839 Robrr :

said by even then :

Even at 100$ its too much.

Its throttled, DPI'd, web injected, and about 1-meg up.

That worth 100$?

Not to me.

They could not offer a 50/1 service because if you were downloading at 50 Mbps your upload would be more than completely saturated with ack packets. They would more than likely offer something like 50/5 or 50/10.

You are still right though about the throttle, DPI and web injection]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22538839 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:49:47 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22537931 Sunfox : Well, ideally 50 meg down would involve more than 1 meg up.

Right now "unlimited" 10 meg costs $85 with the overages...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22537931 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:27:26 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536701 anon : Even at 100$ its too much.

Its throttled, DPI'd, web injected, and about 1-meg up.

That worth 100$?

Not to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536701 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:25:58 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536352 sbrook : Still too expensive. $100 would be close to the mark. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536352 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:22:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536252 Sunfox : Now a 50mbit connection with UNLIMITED data for $150... now THAT I might very well be talking into.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536252 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:04:02 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536184 sbrook : It's a really poor marketing move that's for sure. No way in **** that I'd pay $150 a month ... As it is, I'm having a hard time justifying Extreme any more!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536184 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:52:45 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536106 Sunfox : Doesn't Rogers claim that the vast majority of their customers barely use the internet? At least that's what I call the kind of data they claim those users are pushing. So, since all they're doing is downloading emails and surfing Craigslist, how exactly would wooing them from their current "instant" connection to this "uber expensive instant" really work?

If anyone actually wants 50mbit and would pay that kind of money for it, then it's safe to say they find the speed levels of Extreme SLOW, which in turm means they have to be downloading significant volumes of data. Because Grandma downloading photos of the grandkids isn't thinking "what I need is a $150 50mbit connection to make these emails really rip".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536106 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:43:02 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536075 Robrr : Didn't Shaw offer a 50/10 service at about the same price before dropping it to like $99.99?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22536075 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:36:58 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22535839 JAC70 : Not. A. Chance. In. Hell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22535839 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:02:07 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534775 CFoo : So what was your answer to the question?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534775 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:12:39 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534752 daT : mwahahahahaha... oh, sorry.. they're serious.

*cough* nvm. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534752 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:07:24 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534737 anon : What a ripoff. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534737 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:04:12 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534041 anon : caps are very low and its sky is the limit over-charges after 100-gigs. No price cap.

not sure about this Rogers thing though.

Better value can be had with the unlimited videotron business internet (7.5 or 10-meg ~70$ and ~95$). Don't know if Rogers offers that though.

I'd like to see videotron break into Ontario (though they have some small area in Ottawa some place), but that would be something like competition which isn't allowed in Canada.

150$ is totally insane with a 95-gig cap (and I thought videotron was insane).

I agree with stewy. Seek help if you buy this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22534041 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:25:20 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533988 sbrook : I sit corrected, I thought videotron's was 30.

Videotron's price point is far closer the mark though, although the caps for that speed are low.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533988 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:14:08 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533799 anon :

said by sbrook

:

This is another case of Rogers having the fastest. Videotron has 30Mbps.

videotron has had this out for a while now.. Last fall? (excluding the 300-meg test bed area's)

»www.videotron.com/services/en/in···tion.jsp

-Download speed of 50 Mbps and upload speed of 1 Mbps
-Monthly data transfer capacity of 100 GB combined (upload and download)
with contract: $79.95 / month
w/o contract: $89.95 / month

worthless garbage if you ask me with those ridiculous b/w caps.

..and rogers is charging almost double than videotron?

Insane.

...and no Rogers is not the fastest. ;)

both are not worth it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533799 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:40:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533469 sbrook : This is another case of Rogers having the fastest. Videotron has 30Mbps.

Far more important to most of us is to offer decent bandwidth at lower speeds. I'm a speedfreak because I loathe waiting (those current Rogers ads on TV were aimed at me, I'm sure!).

I would be far happier if they'd sort out some price points and existing speeds. This "increase the price" mode they're in now is ridiculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533469 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:50:18 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533403 elwoodblues : It's all about having the service available, not about actually being able to use it. And I'm sure it will be UP To 50mb, so if you get 1mb you get hi speed
--
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533403 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:38:36 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533323 sbrook : Rayson, you haven't been to Europe to see what THEY pay for gas! At one time it was worse than today ... Throughout Europe it's virtually DOUBLE what we pay. At one time, not that many years ago if you used the price of gas in the US as a reference of 1 ... Canada was nearly 2 ... Great Britain was 4 and continental Europe nearly 8!

We don't do so bad on the world stage for gas!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22533323 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:26:34 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532964 anon : Bu..bu..bu...but I could load the weather channel so much faster though.

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532964 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:19:38 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532829 Stewy : Anyone who pays $150 for 50Mbps with 95Gig cap needs to have their heads examined. Seriously get medical advice immediately. :uhh:

I have a friend in Sweden who has an un-throttled true 50Mbps connection with a 15T/month 500Gig/day cap and they pay $42Usd/month tax included.

They had a good laugh at my 5-7Mbps Extreme up 10Mbps 95Gig capped throttled and DPI'd connection for $65Usd +tax]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532829 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:54:14 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532707 Angelo_ : this is robbers i wouldnt expect a descent service from them]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532707 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:19:08 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532642 mlerner :

said by annondaks :

Tell you what Rogers... drop your marketing budget into infrastructure upgrades.

They actually have been improving the infrastructure immensely but the technology is still the bottleneck. It's no good to have an OC48 back end when the coax can't handle it properly but DOCSIS 3 should fix most of those problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532642 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:54:54 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532634 mlerner : If it's 50 then it'll be DOCSIS 3 and it can handle that kind of speed but the question again is the caps and if they're the same low caps then it's overpriced.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532634 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:52:36 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532565 apn : It doesn't look anything like a good deal when a US cable operator is rolling out 101Mbps unlimited service for $99/mo, especially when you also consider the dollar is trading close to parity again.

As usual, Robbers is offering 1/2 the rate at 50% higher price (making 4x more expensive) and no mention of where they'll impose their draconian cap structure.

Sadly, this country is in the dark ages when it comes to mobile phones, internet and other technology services, and Bell, Robbers and the like are doing their best to keep it that way :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532565 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:22:01 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532218 Rayson :

said by annondaks :

At 149.99 it's also a rip-off, why is anything to do with the internet 1/3 to 2x more expensive here in Canada than almost any other place in the world.

I think Canadians are cursed! Not only Internet service, but we also pay much more for gas, books, and pretty much everything else. We will be taxed to death unless we get a job in eHealth!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532218 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:20:15 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532184 Tristan : Faster download speeds would be nice, but what I really need is faster upload speeds, higher caps, and an ISP that can make things happen with less bullshit.

I don't really care about what is possible with DOCSIS2, or that I'll have to upgrade my modem when DOCSIS3 rolls out. Rogers is spoon-feeding us internet service using a baby spoon. I very much prefer dunking my whole head into the internet feeding trough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532184 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:04:24 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532126 anon : Rogers dropped the 18/1 service in the downtown T.O core cause they don't have the infrastructure to handle it. Now they want to offer 50??

At 149.99 it's also a rip-off, why is anything to do with the internet 1/3 to 2x more expensive here in Canada than almost any other place in the world. Rogers and Bell have put us below the standards of a lot of "3rd world" countries.

Tell you what Rogers... drop your marketing budget into infrastructure upgrades. I don't want to see you name on every TV commercial and pasted all over junkmail in my mailbox and all over every billboard and sports building. What I do want is a cost competitive internet that is not capped so tight I use my quota up in a week!

Cost of bandwidth is going down for you and for the rest of the world.... yet your prices keep going up and your caps go down.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22532126 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:44:46 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531898 clee : ^ Someone seriously ought to call in and ask about that, lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531898 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:24:24 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531764 anon : Yeah.. that way i can hit their monthy cap in 4 hours not 20]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531764 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:52:58 EDT Re: Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531613 Eahaih : Download speed is irrelevant. What people really want is higher or no caps and faster uploads. While 50MB connection would be great it wont matter if you have 50gb cap to along with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531613 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:27:47 EDT Rogers to offer 50 megabit service for $149.99 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531398 anon : I am not a regular poster here, but I'm always reading up on the latest. I just did a survey for Web Perspectives and one question really blew my mind. See the attachment.

Rogers 50 megabit question

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22531398 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:49:18 EDT