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Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence No guy, the world economy took a massive shit over a period of just a few weeks and that is the ONLY reason the price dropped. Oil is sold on the futures market and you had oil producers producing and stockpiling tons of oil based on economic conditions and demand before the economy went over the cliff. Oil traders see the economy instantly tank and they get out and fast, futures prices tank. So now you have few takers for the supply and like all inventories they were far larger than any demand...so the price dropped.
Now we are starting to see the signs of an economic recovery so what is happening, oil is back to $70bbl because traders see increases future demand, oil producers are producing at rates suitable for a tanked economy instead of a recovered one.
Simply put, with the dying economy you had dying demand, price drops. With a recovering economy you have resurgent demand, price is going up. And even with a mediocre recovery, the huge inventory imbalance that got the price way down so fast, starts to correct itself and the price goes back up just as it is doing now.
Meanwhile gov't steals billions either way.
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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said by SLD:But I didn't say that companies should give away their goods/services for free? You very clearly stated that making a profit is worse than government waste. Hence, you are saying that a company making no profit is good. A company making no profit (a non-profit if you will) is essentially giving its goods/services away for free after they have covered their own expenses. The economy couldnt exist if every company was non-profit, so your argument is fundamentally flawed.
said by SLD:It is worse for the citizen because they are paying more for the same thing. How do you figure that? The money needs to come from somewhere. If you arent paying for it directly it is financed by taxes. Given how badly the government manages these programs, the end result is you will pay more that you would have for an inferior product/service.
said by SLD:But companies have a right to earn a profit. If I can get health care as an option from the gov't for less because no profit, I'll appreciate that option. You arent really getting it for less. The money for health care still needs to come from someplace, so the gub'ment will need to raise taxes to cover the difference.
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00000 | I love people who expect other people and companies to work for free while they themselves gladly tax a paycheck.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to SLD
A wise person once said, "There is no such thing as a free lunch." Think about that and how it applies here. |
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1 edit | They see it as free so long as someone else is paying. They aren't concerned with the burdens their thieving and leeching puts on the productive elements of society.
Thankfully we are not on the only ones who recognize the total failure of government.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
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San Francisco, CA | reply to wifi4milez
Hey, one thing can be better or worse than another, but rating the value doesn't invalidate the service. You insist on stating that I said that services should be given away - this was never said or implied. It's a stupid idea anyway. |
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said by wifi4milez :
You arent really getting it for less. The money for health care still needs to come from someplace, so the gub'ment will need to raise taxes to cover the difference. Sure, but since no profit needs to be earned on the gov't insurance, the cost will be much lower to the citizen,or they'll get more for their money. |
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said by SLD:typically, gov't waste is a pittance compared to corporate profits earned on our backs. I read that statement in utter disbelief. You actually mean that? Has any corporation EVER wasted even half as much money as the recent stimulus package?
There's no doubt that many (if not most) corporations are run by greedy people that would sell everything good and wholesome for a buck. There's also no doubt that many (if not most) politicians - especially at the federal level - are greedy people looking out solely for their own careers and back pockets who will sanction absolutely anything that's politically expedient, regardless of how badly people get hurt.
I think you have some serious blinders on.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to SLD
said by SLD:Sure, but since no profit needs to be earned on the gov't insurance, the cost will be much lower to the citizen,or they'll get more for their money. Thats a total fallacy. Unlike a "regular" company that needs to make a profit in order to survive, the government doesnt have that restriction. They will (and have!) run the program into the ground and simply raise taxes to cover their inability to manage it properly.
Look at any gov run institution if you dont believe me. Since nobody is held to a standard (since they arent out to make a profit right?), it foments a culture of laziness. Take the DMV for example, those people are total bums and literally dont care about anything other than stamping their time cards. Now take those same "overly qualified  " morons and simply place them in the back office that controls nationalized health care. Is THAT really your idea of how things should be??
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said by SLD: And typically, gov't waste is a pittance compared to corporate profits earned on our backs. Total government liabilities now exceed $63,000,000,000,000.00, that is over $500,000.00 per household. National yearly deficit has quadrupled in just 1 year to $1,800,000,000,000.00. The CBO projects that our national debt will DOUBLE in just the next decade to $20,000,000,000,000.00. Servicing that debt alone will cost $1,000,000,000,000.00 a year.
Don't even think of comparing corporate profit which is EARNED as a productive element of society to the level of government waste that we are seeing and have seen over the last 30 years and particularly over the last 8-9.
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footballdude  There's no doubt that many (if not most) corporations are run by greedy people that would sell everything good and wholesome for a buck. There's also no doubt that many (if not most) politicians - especially at the federal level - are greedy people looking out solely for their own careers and back pockets who will sanction absolutely anything that's politically expedient, regardless of how badly people get hurt. |
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lesopp
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said by mod_wastrel:It's that whole "money is the root of all evil" thing. Sounds like a populist message that has been skewed by the current fascist regime.
The correct phrase is "The love of money is the root of all evil"
We are not evil because we need money. We need it to pay our mortgages, feed our families, cloth our children and help those less fortunate. |
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said by wifi4milez:Take the DMV for example, those people are total bums and literally dont care about anything other than stamping their time cards. Strange, I see that in the private sector all over the place too.
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lesopp
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Land O Lakes, FL | reply to SLD
I think it comes from Amtrack's balance sheet. |
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If so called demand is up... Average out the last three months of 2008 with the first three months of 2009 and motor gasoline use was down in the first three months of 2009.
»tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/···001m.htm |
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I was just using a figure of speech, not trying to quote proverbs. (Did you read my previous post where I said "[money] is not evil"?) |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to NetAdmin1
said by NetAdmin1:said by wifi4milez:Take the DMV for example, those people are total bums and literally dont care about anything other than stamping their time cards. Strange, I see that in the private sector all over the place too. Of course, except that firing those people (in the private sector) doesnt require an act of God in most cases. The inherent laziness is what makes all gov run institutions dysfunctional.
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lesopp
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Land O Lakes, FL | reply to SLD
Dude, give up already! Saying one thing and meaning something else only works for Obama. |
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said by NetAdmin1:said by wifi4milez:Take the DMV for example, those people are total bums and literally dont care about anything other than stamping their time cards. Strange, I see that in the private sector all over the place too. The thing is, if there's "waste" in the private sector, its not your problem. If you don't like the service, you don't have to continue as their customer. Corps at least have incentive not to waste to keep you as a customer and to stay in business. On the other hand, when there is gov't waste, it is your problem for 2 reasons. First, the DMV is your ONLY source of service, you can't go anywhere else. Second, your hard earned tax dollars are paying for their employees to be apathetic bums. |
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