mrkevin
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Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence
you have a choice though:
You're not forced to do business with anyone...Except the Gov't.
I can't see why making a profit = evil
If I am selling something, I want the highest price I can get for it. Does that make me evil?
If I am buying something I want to pay the least amount I can for it. Does that make me evil? |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | It's not that profit is evil. It's the lying that people do to get it, and get more of it, that's evil. It's that whole "money is the root of all evil" thing. Those who seek it go to the places where they can get it. |
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lesopp
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1 edit | said by mod_wastrel  :It's that whole "money is the root of all evil" thing. Sounds like a populist message that has been skewed by the current fascist regime.
The correct phrase is "The love of money is the root of all evil"
We are not evil because we need money. We need it to pay our mortgages, feed our families, cloth our children and help those less fortunate. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | I was just using a figure of speech, not trying to quote proverbs. (Did you read my previous post where I said "[money] is not evil"?) |
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sonicmerlin
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Republicans talk about a "free market", but in a true free market profit tends towards zero. That's in the best interests of the public, because any profit that a corporation makes simply goes into the coffers of rich executives or banked away by the company.
All those billions in profits in other words are drained from the national economy. So yes, if companies are making lots of profit especially due to a lack of competition, it is very, very evil, and hurts everyone but the richest.
And Republicans and Democrats are NOT two sides of the same coin, unless you take a century-long view. While there are honest Democrats and honest Republicans, and liars on both sides, Republicans by and large are biased, selfish rednecks or rich jerks who care only about doing away with government control just enough to let them abuse the populace to make even more money. The fact is our entire quality of life would be different had a Democrat been elected instead of Bush, who basically trashed our national economy and alienated the US with all its foreign allies. |
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4 edits | Those billions in profit are not "drained" from the national economy because those profits are reinvested in the business, buying more equipment, developing new products, hiring more people and/or paid as dividends to shareholders who then spend it.
And lets not forget, for all but utilities (which are for the most part regulated), that money is given up by consumer choice, it is not stolen from them. If someone doesn't want to drop $2000 on a new MacBook Pro or $30000 on a new car they don't have to. If someone doesn't want to buy zillions of gallons of $5/gal in gas they can carpool, combine trips, drive a more economical car, ride a bike, etc. Even when it comes to utilities, they can turn off lights, use the A/C less, water the lawn less and save their money.
No one is putting a gun to anyone's head so that a corporation can make profit.
The government on the other hand STEALS their money under penalty of imprisonment. People don't have the choice of keeping their money by not using government services. And the harder a person works, the more productive they are, the more the government steals from them. The government punishes hard work with progressive taxes and rewards the lazy.
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said by sonicmerlin :The fact is our entire quality of life would be different had a Democrat been elected instead of Bush, who basically trashed our national economy and alienated the US with all its foreign allies. So you are saying that you prefer the current "situation" over any given moment (take your pick) from the last 8 years? If so, you must be one of the only people in this country without a serious case of 'buyers remorse!'
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said by sonicmerlin :Republicans by and large are biased, selfish rednecks or rich jerks who care only about doing away with government control just enough to let them abuse the populace to make even more money. Hey, look everybody. Mainstream media talking points, regurgitated and parroted in easy to swallow sound bytes.
I wasn't even aware Chris Matthews was a member of DSLR.
said by sonicmerlin :The fact is our entire quality of life would be different had a Democrat been elected instead of Bush, who basically trashed our national economy A democrat has been elected. Seeing how he is continuing Bush policies on the issues that will impact us the longest, I'm not seeing a whole lot of that difference.
said by sonicmerlin :and alienated the US with all its foreign allies. Can you name any competent foreign ruler in history that had America's interests ahead of it's own countries interests?
Which foreign ruler would you give a greater influence over US Policy?
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2 edits | No kidding. Obama I is just Bush III X 4 when it comes to deficit spending and government bailouts.
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mrkevin
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Democrats by and large are biased, emotional, and think if we just sit around in a circle singing 'give peace a chance' that the world will follow suit. Sorry...it won't Evil always repays goodness with evil.
And they want to tax me to death (because I work) and give it to the LAZY, LOOSERS, who sit around collecting welfare.
You think Bush was bad...wait until Obama is done. You cannot fix ANY problem just by throwing (our taxes) money at it. |
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