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| Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence said by SLD:Look, Googling for data during a debate and posting the first link you find isn't going to impress anyone. If you don't know much, just stand back and read what is stated by those with education.Good night. If I had to defend your position, I'd run away too, after running my mouth.
Jess Bachman's extrapolation of government data caught the attention of Boingboing which ran an interview with him in 2006 over his project and then again in 2008.
His discretionary spending graphs have been enlarged and featured on the halls of US government installations such as The Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
Even though you feel you can judge the validity of US Budgetary data better than the US Department of Energy, I'm afraid you're just too far removed from reality to pull that off.
Any maybe you believe the Boingboing columnist has been snookered for 2 years running, along with tens of thousands of digg users and (CASN) at the University of California Berkeley Graduate School of Education who've offered it as a portion of their education curriculum.
Given the what else you've offered here as debate, I can see you glorifying your personal opinion as being more authoritative than all of the above. Such a disconnection between evidence and belief also tells me that you must have been a strong O'Bama supporter before the election.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Your conclusion is absolutely incorrect about my political support of Obama, thus your other conclusions may be just as incorrect as well. | |
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00000 | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Fallacy of hasty generalization.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Thank you for making my point. | |
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2 edits | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence ...and that was what, that you didn't have one?
If you are going to claim that the information provided was incorrect and you have data supporting this claim, by all means, provide it. Dodging the expectations that you support your contentions with data is not "a point".
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence My point is (and was) based on pure logic. Logic is, in itself, inherently correct. If you wish to disprove logic by Wikipedia-surfing, you won't get very far. | |
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2 edits | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence LOL. Uh huh. Your logic is laughable. It doesn't take Wikipedia to recognize that and I've gotten far enough to show you as full of it.
I have asked quite a few times now if you have proof backing up your assertion that the information was wrong and as many times as I have asked, you have evaded.
So I will ask yet again if you can back up your conjecture with fact. Continuing to evade the question just reaffirms that you are full of it.
Show us your evidence that the data shown in the poster if factually incorrect.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Again, that data has no bearing on my point, thus I have no interest in arguing it. Though it made for a good laugh, and it exemplifies the lack of knowledge coming from you two.
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1 edit | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence That is what I figured, you have no point. You are full of shit and can't back up your conjecture.
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2 edits | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Keep trolling... you are obviously too bullheaded to read my posts and understand the logic behind my point. When you finish highschool, come on back! | |
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00000 | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence When you are ready to support your conjecture with actual facts, come on back!
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence [Yawn] | |
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1 edit | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence You are typical on many posters on here, passing off opinion and conjecture as fact, and then getting irate when you are expected to actually support your bullshit.
So then these types dodge and evade, trying to redirect the discussion away from their horribly failed logic and argument.
The final result is them trying to get the last post even if it is nothing more than a emoticon or some other lameness.
Feel free to participate when you are ready to support your arguements with something a bit more substantial than emoticons.
Althought I'm sure you will just respond yet again with anything BUT facts that support your argument.
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1 edit | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence I really wish I could give you a high-five for a good argument and agree to disagree, but your repetitive argument is too weak to even pass gas over. | |
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3 edits | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence We are still waiting for some facts from you backing up your conjecture, but I guess we will all be waiting until hell freezes over since you have none.
How about another emoticon, those are always compelling arguments.
It wouldn't be repetitive if you backed up your conjecture when I first asked about it. Your repetitive evasion results in the request for your facts being reptitive.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Should I repeat that my argument is based on simple logic? Do you understand English? | |
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1 edit | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence You can present your evidence as to why the poster isn't accurate at any time.
The fact that you endlessly evade it implies that you are simply full of shit.
Now either you have proof that the poster is inaccurate or you don't. Which is it? I don't know how I can ask this question any simpler.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence All he did was link a website to a graph. He made no argument against my logical point. Why do you keep nipping at my heels with someone elses mistaken points? Go get your own ideas and argue them, but make sure you undestand the argument before you keep wasting time. | |
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00000 | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence So does that mean you can't support your assertion about the poster? Yes? No?
Certainly it would have been easier to present your evidence that the poster was inaccurate instead of 2 pages of evasion.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Who cares!?! So, I laughed at his source. That is my prerogative. It is still funny.
Now, go get your own argument, but make it with someone else please. | |
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4 edits | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence So you are full of shit and can't refute the validity of the poster as a source. Now that wasn't so hard was it? You could have admitted this 2 pages ago.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Jesus, dude! I'm going to place you on my ignore list if you keep with this ridiculous banter. | |
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00000 | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Go right ahead. It will save you the trouble of actually having to back up your bullshit with facts.
You tried to discredit his argument by discrediting his source. That is certainly logically sound if you can do it. That is why you should support your assertion that the source is inaccurate...again, if you can do it. I don't think you can which is why you are now engaging in all this evasion.
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| said by SLD:Your conclusion is absolutely incorrect about my political support of Obama That could have happened. The traits you display here, statistically group you with O'Bama supporters, though I concede that it's possible that O'Bama's hooks and your weaknesses didn't make the natural connection.
said by SLD:thus your other conclusions may be just as incorrect as well. Well, those odds of my being incorrect about the accuracy of Jess Bachman's data, round down to zero percent, so I wouldn't bet your farm on it.
Now, in your interesting little world,
a pro-Bachman collusion
between the Dept.of Energy, California Berkeley Grad School, established web columnists and hundreds of thousands of other netopians
is so likely,
that you can't resist the need to denounce Bachman's data;
against all of them.
Now you could just take any line item from Bachman's chart, and check it against the budget figures from
»www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/
or
»fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0509.pdf
or
»www.docstoc.com/search/2009-US-B···filter=1
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»www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/browse.html
or
»www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/u···get.html
or
»publicservice.evendon.com/OmniAp···009M.htm
or
»www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploaded···isis.pdf
...unless you believe the conspiracy to protect Jess Bachman's reputation includes the White House, Columbia University and the Dept of the Treasury. I can see where you might, you've had a tread of delusional denial running through your posts.
Now I know what you're thinking. said by SoundsLikeCarterStClai :
"Them's all just a bunch of web sites with WORDS and stuff in 'em". Word's can mean anythin and nuthin at all! I mean, just read a bunch of my words and you'll see! With your reoccurring terror
that keeps you from directly addressing any point under discussion,
how could we possibly expect you
to read any of the above sites
and bring something relevant to the table?
Gosh, you might just have a point there.
Maybe if you just took one or two lines from this post and mocked them out of context, you could continue to delude yourself that you're somehow constructively engaged in the debate.
So, are you having Flavoraide with your Birthday Cake this year?
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2 edits | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Wow...not only going off the deep end here, but putting words in my mouth? "SoundsLikeCarterStClai"? Nice!
At least we know you're a fringie now.
Happen to get paid by the pharmicutical industry to spread your verbal nauseum? | |
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| Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence Heeeerrrrsss the Tally.
You addressed NONE of the points in discussion.
You get ZERO Gold Stars and ZERO IQ Points.
Your Score For This Thread is exactly... ZERO.
Care to try your luck again?
We are all astounded at your uncanny ability to COMPLETELY avoid meaningful dialog. It's not every day we see someone embrace fear of debate as fully as you do.
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1 edit | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence said by SLD:Oh GOD, now you too?!? I already blocked your buddy. His words might not bother you so much, if there wasn't something in them that found a home in your head.
Like this for example:
said by Bit00:Wow, I'm surprised you aren't posting in Crayon, still unable to support any portion of your argument closing in to 4 pages of evasion, "I know you are but what am I" logic. Everyone here recognizes that as the clear sign you have no point. You lost with your first post and just embarrassed yourself with the rest. said by SLD:Once you address my point instead of bringing in your valueless links, This is a WEB ENVIRONMENT. If you don't want links to the mounting pile of supporting evidence, what form do you want your proof in? Fax by carrier pigeon? The Evidence God delivering the conclusive proof in Broadway Lights? Stars in heaven rearranged to form pleasing yet non-confrontational pictorials?
said by Bit00:you'll have my attention. Come to think of it, you've proven that you can't follow a conversation, or a point, since you are soo focused on your links that have nothing to do with my point, that I can't see respponding any further. Buzzz.... you lose again! This is where I begin to believe you are mentally ill. I have given you clear and unambiguous responses and you blew them off.
At which point then accuse me of giving you no responses at all.
Bachman's been creating these Discretionary Budget Graphics since 2004. I've been following him most of that time.
I've read dozens of columns about his work in reputable web publishers. And past that I've seen hundreds of casual mentions of his work, by people with suggestions, constructive criticisms, accolades and raw praise to offer.
In 4 years of my following Bachman's graph work, you are the first person, I've known, to suggest he is fraudulent. And what evidence of his fraud do you offer? Documented discrepancies between his numbers and the GAO? The DOE highlighting how he misled them?
Not even.
In fact, you haven't even provided a substantial reason for charging Bachman with bald face lying to thousands and thousand of people. You threw out a directed, yet weak innuendo. And you only did it because Bachman's data threatened your position.
You'd trash the character of someone you know nothing about, and for what? Because you're obsessed with winning an argument and don't have what you need to pull it off.
With all candor and honesty, if you continue in this vein; you are a jerk.
said by SLD:That isn't the same as disproving. I have precisely disproven your baseless innuendo,
I provided reputable names. I provided links to their testimonials.
YOU GAVE NO RESPONSE TO THEM. A response would have included NAMING MY SOURCE and giving CLEAR, SUBSTANTIAL and UNAMBIGIOUS information that WAS CONCLUSIVE and RELEVANT in showing how the source wasn't authoritative.
You did none of that or you would be able to repost your statements to that effect.
This kind of winning-at-all-cost mentality is everything that's wrong with my country.
If you carry on this crap for one more post, you're not just a jerk.
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3 edits | Re: Gov't and clear goals don't belong in the same sentence [Yawn!]
Please stop acting like an #$%$ and go to bed (and possibly a life). I honestly can't read past a skimming over of your crap and it doen't seem to be worthy to read.
BTW, you are still ignoring my basic logical argument and throwing the kitchen sink of anything besides the point. Your stupid graph has nothing to do with it.
BTW, I blocked your boyfriend because he was harrassing me with endless posts about nothing. I'll block you now as well, so don't waste your time - I won't see it. | |
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