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UnaFragger
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Re: [Lens] f/2.8 wide to normal zoom for Nikon

said by gugarci See Profile :

Sorry but I don't like any of the current new Tamron lenses with the built in motors made for Nikon's. They focus too slowly compared to other lenses. I have played around with them at different times at Adorama and have yet to buy one.
As I haven't ever used one of the older lenses, I can't really compare. I noticed with the 17-50 that if I let the camera choose the autofocus point (Auto Area AF) then it seems to be pretty slow, and sometimes has a hard time finding a focus point. If, however, I use Single or Dynamic area (»www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d80/us···m.htm#02), the autofocus is very fast and extremely accurate. It does make a little bit of noise, but nothing I would consider inappropriate. I'm really glad I bought the lens and I really like it so far.
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BTW, you guys have convinced me on either the Tamron 17-50 or the Sigma 18-50. I went through a ton of shots the other day and I was very surprised to find that I do shoot more in the 18-28mm range than I do in the 50-70mm range.

I was also playing around with the 24 - 70 Sigma macro that was reccommended, but I do think I'd miss the wide-angle of the 17 or 18mm a bit more.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll have a post in the box-shot thread eventually. hehe.
This is not surprising. 18-28mm on an APS-C sensor is the same field of view as 27-42mm on a 35mm sensor which is a very versatile range. The lens I use the most on my D3 is the 24-70 (12-35mm lens on an APS-C camera).
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said by gugarci See Profile :

Sorry but I don't like any of the current new Tamron lenses with the built in motors made for Nikon's. They focus too slowly compared to other lenses.
I noticed the same thing when trying out a old (no motor) and new (built in motor) Tamron 17-50.

The difference in focus speed is noticeable, so much so that I bought the older one without motor.


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Sorry but I don't like any of the current new Tamron lenses with the built in motors made for Nikon's. They focus too slowly compared to other lenses. I have played around with them at different times at Adorama and have yet to buy one.


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Not that anyone is super interested, but I just plopped down the $450 on the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di-II LD Aspherical [IF]. It had more better reviews than the Sigma. The sigma claimed "Macro" but the difference in focal distance was so minimal that it barely mattered. Also, I have 1 extra mm of zoom! hehe.

Anyway, I'll post some shots when it comes in next Tuesday!
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Flash is more difficult, but not impossible. A makeshift hood using something like this »images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=···3D1&um=1 and some off camera flash is an option.

The results of the guy that tried it: »www.pentaxforums.com/forums/post···ges.html

And his thoughts: »www.pentaxforums.com/forums/gene···aquarium


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Excellent!!! You have analyzed the situation well and you've come up with a solution that will work best for you most of the time and save you some bucks in the process! Do let us know when you pull the trigger.


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BTW, you guys have convinced me on either the Tamron 17-50 or the Sigma 18-50. I went through a ton of shots the other day and I was very surprised to find that I do shoot more in the 18-28mm range than I do in the 50-70mm range.

I was also playing around with the 24 - 70 Sigma macro that was reccommended, but I do think I'd miss the wide-angle of the 17 or 18mm a bit more.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll have a post in the box-shot thread eventually. hehe.
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f/2.8 won't seem so fast when you can't use your flash because you're constantly looking through the contorted lexan structure of the acquarium.
While I don't doubt that at all, it seems like it will be a bit better than my next-best option right now. That is either my 18-135mm which gets a max aperature of f/5 at 50mm, or my 50mm f/1.8 prime, which doesn't really offer any zoom. I would just take that, but 50mm seems pretty tight for the inside of an aquarium or museum or something.
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f/2.8 won't seem so fast when you can't use your flash because you're constantly looking through the contorted lexan structure of the acquarium.
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Hi - I've got an older Nikon D70 and one of my still older film lenses is a 35-70mm f2.8 with macro capability. It is a fantastic lens and I used it in my film days, and am just beginning to try it with digital. You can read many reviews - even »www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/3570.htm has one. They are sometimes available on ebay and sometimes BH has them. By comparison with the short focal lengths of the above lenses it may be somewhat restricted for your purposes.


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Thanks for that link! Looks like a very decent lens. From what I can see, the main differences are:

17-50
More plastic in construction (upside = a bit lighter to carry)
7 blade iris
Close focus = 1:4.5

24-70
Construction comparable to Canon "L" pro glass
9 blade iris
Close focus = 1:3.8 (better for macro)
Less Chromatic aberration than the 17-50

The differing number of iris blades will change the look of the diffraction sparkles in night shots ( »dptnt.com/2007/12/what-causes-th···-photos/ ) and, subjectively, the bokeh isn't quite as smooth with the 17-50.

Both lenses seem like very good choices and the final conclusion will obviously boil down to the intended applications versus total cost.


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What's the distortion like at 17mm?
Photozone's tests show that it has about average distortions for a lens in that focal length range. Pronounced barrel distortions at 17 and moderate pincusion at 50. Here's the review:

»www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-a···--review
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I found that the 24mm wide end was pretty good in all kinds of museum situations. The aquariums, however, might be a different story.

My suggestion was based on the stated need for macro and general purpose indoor shooting. For what I do, 50 would be too short a tele end and I'd be stuck supplementing with another lens. What's the distortion like at 17mm?


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I'd go with the Tamron. 17-50mm is the sweet spot in standard zooms. If you go with the 24mm or the 28mm models, you're really going to wish you had a wider angle.


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I'd lean a little more toward the 17-50. There's a huge difference between a starting point of 17 and 24 on the wide end. If the aquariums and museums are as tight quarters as I think, you'll wish you had the wider lens.
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I second what Kringle says, I have that lens, great piece of glass.
Kinda big but a sharp lens.

But you can't go wrong with the Tamron lenses.
The 28-75mm has a reputation as one very fine lens for the money.


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Since you have a D80, I would suggest that you take a serious look at this lens: »www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/3···_DG.html

It costs a bit more but I've found it to be a really sweet piece of glass. All of my California shots were done with it (it's all I brought with me). On my XTi, the AF works better than any other lens I have. It's something that I think would serve you very well for a long time to come.

My box shot: »Re: The One, The Only...Box Shot Thread! (part three)

EDIT: If you plan on doing any outdoor work, don't forget the 82mm CPL. It makes for a beautiful combination.

EDIT2: This is transformed from RAW and resized for posting to show how it does a macro shot (no other processing). I need to get extension tubes! Look into the Iris:


Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XTi
70mm 1/60th F10 ISO100

Macro Capability Sample (70mm)


BTW, click to view full.


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I'm looking to get one of the wider f/2.8 zooms on a budget of around $400. The wife and I are going to an aquarium in a couple of weeks (VA Beach, I think), and I'm hoping to take a single lens with me.

I've also wanted one for a while, as none of the other lenses I have are really quick enough for shooting indoors with the exception of the Thrifty Fifty. I also enjoy shooting macro. It would likely be used mostly for indoors and so I like the wide angle. However, I also am not sure that 50mm is really enough zoom for things like aquariums or museums (places I'd likely use the lens).

I'm looking at these 4 options, but am open to other suggestions.

Sigma 28-70mm f/2.8 EX DG Autofocus
»www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/3···_DG.html

Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD Aspherical (IF)
»www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/2···_Di.html

Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC HSM Macro
»www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5···_DC.html

Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di-II LD Aspherical [IF]
»www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5···_II.html

I'm leaning slighty more away from the tamron 17-50 as it's a bit more expensive than the others, but if it's significantly better then it's a definite option.

Thanks in advance!
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