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Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

About a year ago, we discussed getting WBBM's HD channel over the air.

»Anyone able to pick up WBBM 2.1?

To recap, I've got a Winegard HD7080P antenna in my attic in Glenview, and receive strong signals for all the other Chicago channels, including WLS at its new digital frequency of 7, which is also an upper-band VHF channel broadcasting from the Sears Tower (soon to be called Willis Tower).

The exception, is WBBM at its new frequency of digital 12. On my DIRECTV HR10-250's on-screen meter (hardly the best tool, but effective enough to show basic strength) I've been getting just about the same numbers I did when they were on digital 3.

I'm getting a slightly stronger signal on WLS since noon Friday, averaging around 86 versus the 83 I was seeing a year ago when they were on digital 52.

So I'm wondering what results you're seeing on WLS and WBBM, and where you're located.

permalink · 2009-06-13 10:55:22 · Print ·

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Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

I hear 3 channels moved:
CBS from 3 to 12 (No problem with reception here, in Skokie)
ABC from 52 to 7
and WGBO

I assume you re-scanned your display or box?

It is interesting to note that both CBS and ABC were mis-ID'd with channel numbers on the DTVPal we have....
Instead of 2-1, the Pal says CBS is 77-01
Instead of 7-1, the Pal says ABC is 78-01

(I just got an email from someone with a DTVPal + model... and same thing happened to him!)

Except if you enter 2 or 7, it goes to the right channel, though displays wrong channel number information!!!!

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Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

Hmm gives me an idea of rescanning my TV since channels are in new places. I see 2 and all of channel 7 are nothing. 7-1,2, and 3 are missing
[EDIT]

After rescanning I was able to get channel 7 now but still no channel 2 where ever it may be now. They already suck in ratings for the 10 o'clock news, imagine their ratings now that nobody can pick up their digital signal.

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Jan, I did a clear and then a scan, and later on did another scan. But my tuner has a frequency signal section that will let me select any channel, scanned or not. That is why I said I can see low signal.

I can still get WBBM HD via DIRECTV's signal, so it doesn't affect me. However, methinks they have a bigger problem. Could you explain the ongoing love affair with VHF? Even if it is the upper band, wouldn't UHF have made more sense?

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VegasMan Are We There Yet? join:2002-11-17 Schaumburg, IL	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? You're closer to downtown than I am aren't you? I get BBM fine with a 78 on my sat receiver. Now if I could just get something that looked decent from WLS 60-64 and all macroblocking. -- In need of a Vegas vacation.
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lev Napoleon is always right Premium,Ex-mod 2002-08 join:2001-05-30 Chicago, IL clubs: ·AT&T Midwest	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? said by VegasMan : You're closer to downtown than I am aren't you? I get BBM fine with a 78 on my sat receiver. Now if I could just get something that looked decent from WLS 60-64 and all macroblocking. Yep, I'm closer, but on a different line. My WLS/WBBM results are the exact opposite of yours, except my WBBM is far worse than your WLS.
	permalink · 2009-06-14 03:47:50 · Print ·

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Location: Round Lake Beach, near Rollins and Lotus

Antenna: attic-mounted Rat Shack U-75R UHF only

Pre-Amp: Viewsonics VSA-601c 52-1,000 MHz 15dB

Coax: CommScope RG-6 appx. 30' from attic to basement & 2x drops ~40' to TVs.

Splitter: PCT Genesys II 2-Way -3.5 dB loss on each port.

The nitty-gritty...

WBBM was never even a whisper on 2 or 3, pre-transition...

Still no sign of it 0n RF 12, with a CM-D2A or a DS DTX9950

WLS was fairly consistent with occasional dropouts on RF 52 and very poor on analog 7.

I don't catch even a whiff of RF 7 DT after rescans with either box today.

WCIU... reception was mediocre at best on RF 27, pre-transition. Signal strength was 0 to 35ish with the DS and 0 to 45ish with the CM. Analog 26 could only be described as the blizzard from Hades.

I can no longer pick up RF 27 after rescans with either box.

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Jan Janowski join:2000-06-18 Skokie, IL ·AT&T Midwest 1 edit	Signal strength on new 7-1 and 2-1 both are higher on new channels than they were on older channels here (Skokie) Checked on 2 different version receivers... V2 and V4 (I think converters are V4 tuners).... Both agree. On a DTVPal converter box 2-1 went from high 80's on CH3 -- to low 90's on CH12. 7-1 went from high 80's on CH52 to high 90's on CH7. -- Looking for 1939 Indian Motocycle
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Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

said by Jan Janowski

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Signal strength on new 7-1 and 2-1 both are higher on new channels than they were on older channels here (Skokie)

I noticed that too on my T.V in the bedroom on ground level but the T.V down in the basement which had no problems picking up 2.1 can no longer get it after the transition. Its strange that it seems to be a stronger signal according to the strength meter on the aforementioned T.V

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lev Napoleon is always right Premium,Ex-mod 2002-08 join:2001-05-30 Chicago, IL clubs:	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? They're hooked up to the same antenna?
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CUBS_FAN Next Year Again.. join:2005-04-28 Chicago, IL ·Comcast ·Vonage	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? said by lev : They're hooked up to the same antenna? No, 2 separate antenna's of the same brand.
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CUBS_FAN Next Year Again.. join:2005-04-28 Chicago, IL	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? After moving one of the "rabbit ears" a little I'm now able to pick up channel 2 on both T.V's. We'll see how the signal strength will be after the supposive 7:15pm change of something in the transmitter.
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Bink63 Tweet THIS Premium join:2002-10-06 Everywhere	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? Well something to do during the rain delay anyway!
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Everyone with Post-transition reception issues needs to call the FCC...

1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322).

And also, those of us that are having issues specifically with WLS need to call them as well at the WLS reception problem hotline...

1-312-750-7052

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Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

said by Bink63

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Everyone with Post-transition reception issues needs to call the FCC...

1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322).

For grins today, I called, since the engineers that were supposed to call back from WBBM didn't call.

I spoke to a guy in Pennsylvania who sounded just about smart enough to tie his shoes, and he was bumming that everyone there was getting laid-off because nobody was calling.

After looking it up, he told me that they're changing something in the transmitter, and I should try to rescan again after 7:15 tonight.

So I will, and expect little to nothing.

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Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

said by lev

said by Bink63

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Everyone with Post-transition reception issues needs to call the FCC...

1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322).

After looking it up, he told me that they're changing something in the transmitter, and I should try to rescan again after 7:15 tonight.

So I will, and expect little to nothing.

I bet they are just pulling times out of their ass.
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Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

So I finally had time to do that recscan. I had blocky picture, which was an improvement. Then I went to the meter.

Tuner 1 of my DIRECTV HR10-250 was showing a signal between 88 and 90 for WBBM! Tuner 2 was running between 0 and 50. Both an improvement.

Then I signed on here, and tuner 1's signal went dead. Tuner 2 stayed the same. Tuner 1 still works great on WLS, and all the Sears-based UHF channels.

Are there any actual talented engineers working for WBBM?

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I have lost both channel 2.1 and 7.1. And yes, I did rescan.

This is Geneva, around 38 miles west of the loop. I am using an attic antenna - both a VHF and a separate UHF antenna.

When WBBM was on channel 3, the reception was usually good except during a severe lightning storm. Now there is nothing. I can get set the receiver to manually check the signal strength on channel 12, but it is getting nothing. Channel 7 has a similar problem. Most of the other channels are fine.
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I'm in Arlington Heights, 60005.

All Chicago DTV channels come in fine pre- and post-conversion with my rooftop Winegard antenna (I forgot the model number, but I bought it in mid-2007).

I also have an older VHF/UHF antenna in the attic that was left by the previous owners of my home. It's connected to a TV in the bedroom, with about 25 ft of coax from the antenna to the receiver. All DTV except WBBM came in fine pre-conversion; WBBM didn't even register on the converter's signal strength meter.

Post-conversion (and post-rescan), WBBM registers on the meter and comes in, but very choppy. It's almost watchable, but still nowhere near the quality of the other stations.

I'm going to climb into the attic and move the antenna around to see if it makes a difference.

The DTV converter boxes are an Insignia and an Apex. The problem is consistent when I switch the boxes on the TVs-- the attic antenna can't get WBBM clearly.

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Suchaknight Premium join:2002-10-06 Houbytown	I'm in the near west burbs and gettihg 2.1 fairly well about ninety percent of the time. I do get some pixelation though. I can't get ch 11 very well at all. I'm on an indoor antenna, so that might be my problem. I haven't had time to work on it yet. -- What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
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I read yesterday in the daily herald that WBBMDT and WLSDT (guess DT is redundant now) were having problems and not able to broadcast at full power so people further out from the city would not get full signal, or even the 80% cliff needed. They said they were working with the FCC to get it working soon. We'll see.

I've been using my QAM tuner for a while but now I am back in the burbs for the summer, I want to hook back up to my antenna for OTA since I think it is better quality.
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lev Napoleon is always right Premium,Ex-mod 2002-08 join:2001-05-30 Chicago, IL clubs:	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? AGAIN, I ask... WHY did they choose to be on the VHF bandwidth? WLS (which I haven't a problem with strengthwise even now) was on UHF. WBBM stuck with VHF, even if they went far higher in the bandwidth for what reason, good or bad?
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Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now?

Well, WLS couldn't stay on RF 52, since that part of the spectrum has been auctioned off...

my best guess is that the Mickey Mouse bean counters didn't want to have to shell out for a third antenna for yet another channel move. That, and there's been a trend amongst ABC O & Os of returning to their original channels, post-transition.

WBBM cheaped out, period...

they took over WTTW's old channel 11 antenna and tweaked it for channel 12 and not much else!

The above is purely educated speculation on my part, nothing should be construed as being an attack on any company or organization.
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I never got 2 before the switch over and still don't on my kitchen TV with and an indoor antenna. I am on the far NWside of the city. The digital pic on the rest of channels is good sometimes but at other times the signal power and reception sucks. I really dont feel like investing in a big $ indoor antenna for the chance that reception will get better. I am not impressed at all with this digital conversion but realize that the people in charge don't give a damn.

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lev Napoleon is always right Premium,Ex-mod 2002-08 join:2001-05-30 Chicago, IL clubs:	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? The people in charge? Of CBS/WBBM, the FCC, or some place else?
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hambonepat join:2003-05-06 Chicago, IL	Re: Anyone able to pick up WBBM-2.1 now? Pick one or all.
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