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ispgeek
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Saint Petersburg, FL

reply to fonzbear2000
Re: Are there any HIGHLY rated wireless N routers for under $50?

Hold off on the DGL-4500 right at the moment unless you can find one with 1.02 or 1.15 firmware. They have released a monster and it appears they are lagging seriously in fixing all the problems (and there are some serious serious problems).

Don't get me wrong. I love the router but right now they have a serious problem and until they fix it I can't recommend ya get it.
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tipstir

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Enfield, CT
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reply to stevech0
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100 simultaneous TCP sessions is a bit much for a consumer home router.

But if most of those are from/to local PCs and servers then the packets go through the switch and not the router so the routing performance doesn't matter. That is, local packets are done by the chips in the switch built into the w-router; the w-router's CPU and firmware aren't involved.

I can't imagine a 100 TCP connection use case for a home router. I can, for a small business purpose, or serving an RV park or some such. I suppose 100 connections can happen if you are a fanatic in peer to peer file sharing - risky biz.

Only the routers rated 200 max TCP connections can handle it. My DLINK DIR-655 can handle it but the current firmware screws-up and causes the other PCs on the network to suffer. Belkin N+ also handles 200 max TCP connections with current firmware without any issues.

Again P2P software has to be set to 100. TCP.SYS has to be set to 200 instead of 10 by default. Then I use TCP-Z to monitor the connections. Only one PC does that not all. The rest including wired and wireless are set to TCP.SYS at 100 max connections.


tipstir

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reply to ispgeek
said by ispgeek See Profile :

said by stevech0 See Profile :

100 simultaneous TCP sessions is a bit much for a consumer home router.

But if most of those are from/to local PCs and servers then the packets go through the switch and not the router so the routing performance doesn't matter. That is, local packets are done by the chips in the switch built into the w-router; the w-router's CPU and firmware aren't involved.

I can't imagine a 100 TCP connection use case for a home router. I can, for a small business purpose, or serving an RV park or some such. I suppose 100 connections can happen if you are a fanatic in peer to peer file sharing - risky biz.

LOL!!

At any given moment you may have multiple tcp sessions on a single pc depending on what applications you are running. It's not uncommon for an average user connected to the internet to have 5 to 12 active sessions without even working at it too hard (remember: each browser window you have open will count as 1 tcp session and depending on what you're doing in that window it might count as more "like video within web page). In my case I operate several dynamic websites which require information to be updated every couple of minutes. To reduce load on the web server I have several boxes at home obtaining the content and then sending it up to the servers as needed which ends up being pretty much a constant stream of data from many applications. Additionally they provide streamed audio and video. Hell my home pc has between 20 and 30 active tcp sessions by itself at any given moment.

As far as peer to peer...nope not my game thank you. It's purely hobby/business related and all legit. Not into the darker side of things, havin too much fun doing it the right way thanks

Bottom line is the DGL4500 handles a ton of tcp sessions without crapping out and also passes data wan to lan at a phenomonal rate of speed unlike all the others I tested and I tested a ton of em (at one point I was afraid they wouldnt take em back but I explained what I was doing and they backed down). Forget the fancy bells and whistles and displays...I just need it to perform as advertised and it does...
All DLINK DIR-655, 825 and 855 and your DGL-4500 can handle TCP max connections of 200. Just the WAN to LAN and LAN to WAN differ from DIR to DGL. I have DIR-655 but the firmware issues caused me to buy Belkin N+. I like the NAS feature for USB. I use my own CompUSA extenal HDD kit where I can stick in any HDD into that case. Works great!


ispgeek
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Saint Petersburg, FL

Um yea,

I know about the firmware issues. Just warned ppl about the current dgl-4500 1.20 issue which it appears I too am now a victim of. I have two of them...one I upgraded..one I didn't and you probably already know what's happening!
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fonzbear2000
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Update...

So far, speeds are still just as great and no lost connections.

Now, here's something interesting. The router has a feature my Dlink didn't called WAN ping blocking:
"Block ICMP Ping
Computer hackers use what is known as "Pinging" to find potential victims on the Internet. By pinging a specific IP address and receiving a response from the IP address, a hacker can determine that something of interest might be there. The Router can be set up so it will not respond to an ICMP Ping from the outside. This heightens the level of security of your Router. To turn off the ping response, select "Block ICMP Ping" and click "Apply Changes". The router will not respond to an ICMP ping. "

I wonder if the Dlink would disconnect due to ICMP pings.
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Its a Secret
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reply to tipstir
Re: Are there any HIGHLY rated wireless N routers for under $50?

Belkin suxs butt. Sorry, but I recommend a D-Link or LinkSys.


tipstir

join:2004-11-14
Enfield, CT
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reply to fonzbear2000
Re: Update...

said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

So far, speeds are still just as great and no lost connections.

Now, here's something interesting. The router has a feature my Dlink didn't called WAN ping blocking:
"Block ICMP Ping
Computer hackers use what is known as "Pinging" to find potential victims on the Internet. By pinging a specific IP address and receiving a response from the IP address, a hacker can determine that something of interest might be there. The Router can be set up so it will not respond to an ICMP Ping from the outside. This heightens the level of security of your Router. To turn off the ping response, select "Block ICMP Ping" and click "Apply Changes". The router will not respond to an ICMP ping. "

I wonder if the Dlink would disconnect due to ICMP pings.
DOs and POd also..

ECO to shutdown the wireless when your sleeping..

My N was 120/240 under DSS 5.8Ghz cordless phones I was using. Now with the DECT 6.0 (1.9GHz) 150/300 under Belkin N+.


tipstir

join:2004-11-14
Enfield, CT
·Cox HSI

reply to Its a Secret
Re: Are there any HIGHLY rated wireless N routers for under $50?

said by Its a Secret See Profile :

Belkin suxs butt. Sorry, but I recommend a D-Link or LinkSys.
Again everyone going to have their favorite router. I have DIR-655 but after using Belkin N+ the wireless N is stable. Gig ports switch and chipset from Realtek 832KB is the same one found in DIR-655 that's in Belkin N+. Non-blocking ports are much quicker though..

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reply to Its a Secret
said by Its a Secret See Profile :

Belkin suxs butt. Sorry, but I recommend a D-Link or LinkSys.
I'm not a Belkin champion, but to condemn ALL models from a given vendor is displaying ignorance.

Ford did OK after the Edsel.

What is useful is to note which vendors have too many Edsels.


fonzbear2000
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join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN

reply to tipstir
Re: Update...

said by tipstir See Profile :

said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

So far, speeds are still just as great and no lost connections.

Now, here's something interesting. The router has a feature my Dlink didn't called WAN ping blocking:
"Block ICMP Ping
Computer hackers use what is known as "Pinging" to find potential victims on the Internet. By pinging a specific IP address and receiving a response from the IP address, a hacker can determine that something of interest might be there. The Router can be set up so it will not respond to an ICMP Ping from the outside. This heightens the level of security of your Router. To turn off the ping response, select "Block ICMP Ping" and click "Apply Changes". The router will not respond to an ICMP ping. "

I wonder if the Dlink would disconnect due to ICMP pings.
DOs and POd also..

ECO to shutdown the wireless when your sleeping..

My N was 120/240 under DSS 5.8Ghz cordless phones I was using. Now with the DECT 6.0 (1.9GHz) 150/300 under Belkin N+.
What the heck are you talking about?????
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tipstir

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said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

said by tipstir See Profile :

said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

So far, speeds are still just as great and no lost connections.

Now, here's something interesting. The router has a feature my Dlink didn't called WAN ping blocking:
"Block ICMP Ping
Computer hackers use what is known as "Pinging" to find potential victims on the Internet. By pinging a specific IP address and receiving a response from the IP address, a hacker can determine that something of interest might be there. The Router can be set up so it will not respond to an ICMP Ping from the outside. This heightens the level of security of your Router. To turn off the ping response, select "Block ICMP Ping" and click "Apply Changes". The router will not respond to an ICMP ping. "

I wonder if the Dlink would disconnect due to ICMP pings.
DOs and POd also..

ECO to shutdown the wireless when your sleeping..

My N was 120/240 under DSS 5.8Ghz cordless phones I was using. Now with the DECT 6.0 (1.9GHz) 150/300 under Belkin N+.
What the heck are you talking about?????
--------------------------Belkin N+
ECO power saver for wireless turns off the ANT
DOS/POD features are part of the firewall
120/240 wireless N before
150/300 wireless N now
----------------------------------

DECT 6.0 cordless phone system to work friendly with wireless network


fonzbear2000
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Saint Paul, MN

said by tipstir See Profile :

--------------------------Belkin N+
ECO power saver for wireless turns off the ANT
DOS/POD features are part of the firewall
120/240 wireless N before
150/300 wireless N now
----------------------------------

DECT 6.0 cordless phone system to work friendly with wireless network
What is DOS and POD? Are they things that the firewall in the router blocks that would cause connection drops?
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tipstir

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Enfield, CT
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said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

said by tipstir See Profile :

--------------------------Belkin N+
ECO power saver for wireless turns off the ANT
DOS/POD features are part of the firewall
120/240 wireless N before
150/300 wireless N now
----------------------------------

DECT 6.0 cordless phone system to work friendly with wireless network
What is DOS and POD? Are they things that the firewall in the router blocks that would cause connection drops?
Firewall >


Your Router is equipped with a firewall that will protect your network from a wide array of common hacker attacks including Ping of Death (PoD) and Denial of Service (DoS) attacks. You can turn the firewall function off if needed. Turning off the firewall protection will not leave your network completely vulnerable to hacker attacks, but it is recommended that you turn the firewall on whenever possible.

Firewall Enable / Disable > Disable ENABLED


fonzbear2000
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said by tipstir See Profile :

said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

said by tipstir See Profile :

--------------------------Belkin N+
ECO power saver for wireless turns off the ANT
DOS/POD features are part of the firewall
120/240 wireless N before
150/300 wireless N now
----------------------------------

DECT 6.0 cordless phone system to work friendly with wireless network
What is DOS and POD? Are they things that the firewall in the router blocks that would cause connection drops?
Firewall >


Your Router is equipped with a firewall that will protect your network from a wide array of common hacker attacks including Ping of Death (PoD) and Denial of Service (DoS) attacks. You can turn the firewall function off if needed. Turning off the firewall protection will not leave your network completely vulnerable to hacker attacks, but it is recommended that you turn the firewall on whenever possible.

Firewall Enable / Disable > Disable ENABLED
Thanks for that explanation, but here's what I'm wondering and if you have an opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I would like to hear it. So far, I've gone 8 days with NO connection drops and am wondering if my Belkin N+ router's firewall might be blocking things that my old D-link DI-524 did not block because I got connection drops on that router all the time. Just basically, I wonder if some routers have better firewalls that block more stuff.
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tipstir

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said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

Thanks for that explanation, but here's what I'm wondering and if you have an opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I would like to hear it. So far, I've gone 8 days with NO connection drops and am wondering if my Belkin N+ router's firewall might be blocking things that my old D-link DI-524 did not block because I got connection drops on that router all the time. Just basically, I wonder if some routers have better firewalls that block more stuff.
Well in other words the hardware firewall is still better, but you still need software firewall protection if you don't want software you installed on your PC/MAC to phone home as they say. Comodo Internet Security 3.9 is very good now and it's 100% free for PC! I use that on all my systems. I know you have a MAC so you on your own there.

If you're not doing anything silly in your system then you just surf with the router only. Very quick I must say for Belkin N+ Ralink Chips in there for PU and WPU are very good. The range on this router is 1,200 feet.


bbarrera
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reply to fonzbear2000
said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

I've gone 8 days with NO connection drops and am wondering if my Belkin N+ router's firewall might be blocking things that my old D-link DI-524 did not block because I got connection drops on that router all the time.
Most likely the connection drops were a radio problem completely unrelated to the router firewall.

said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

Just basically, I wonder if some routers have better firewalls that block more stuff.
Sure but even a simple NAT router has a firewall that is 'good enough' and will block most incoming connection attempts.

The real security threat is stuff you download via web or email, which a standard hardware firewall will let you download. More comprehensive hardware firewalls can inspect some of your downloads (not SSL downloads) and block infected downloads, but they can also falsely block some good downloads.


fonzbear2000
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Saint Paul, MN

reply to tipstir
said by tipstir See Profile :

said by fonzbear2000 See Profile :

Thanks for that explanation, but here's what I'm wondering and if you have an opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I would like to hear it. So far, I've gone 8 days with NO connection drops and am wondering if my Belkin N+ router's firewall might be blocking things that my old D-link DI-524 did not block because I got connection drops on that router all the time. Just basically, I wonder if some routers have better firewalls that block more stuff.
Well in other words the hardware firewall is still better, but you still need software firewall protection if you don't want software you installed on your PC/MAC to phone home as they say. Comodo Internet Security 3.9 is very good now and it's 100% free for PC! I use that on all my systems. I know you have a MAC so you on your own there.

If you're not doing anything silly in your system then you just surf with the router only. Very quick I must say for Belkin N+ Ralink Chips in there for PU and WPU are very good. The range on this router is 1,200 feet.
1. I don't see a Mac version of Comodo: »personalfirewall.comodo.com/down···all.html

2. Why would I need a program like Comodo when Mac already has a software firewall?:

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The O/S firewalls in OS X and Windows XP and later are only for incoming connections. Similarly, router firewalls (typically) act only to block incoming attempts based on a limited set of criteria.

Real firewalls, whether in a hardware appliance or add-on to the operating system, allow for much finer control over both incoming and outgoing. If you happen to get a gremlin on your PC (highly unlikely with a MAC), the firewall should a. alert you and b. block any outgoing connections from the malware.

The bad news about s/w firewalls is that they're "noisy," complaining every time a new application tries to get to the outside. Eventually, many users become conditioned to clicking "Allow" or "OK" and don't think about why h4kz0rz.exe wants to access the network or simply turn the firewall off.


bbarrera
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reply to fonzbear2000
On Mac OS X and Linux my approach has been to wait for the day when everybody else is scrambling for anti-virus and then I'd recommend downloading Little Snitch for the Mac:
»www.obdev.at/products/littlesnit···dex.html

Until the day of reckoning comes it simply isn't needed for most people. However you may stray to the far corners of the Internet, or don't pay attention to security news, or are the cautious type. Then by all means be sure to keep your OS and apps fully updated, install AV and outgoing software firewall, and feel secure in another layer of protection.


tipstir

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reply to No_Strings
said by No_Strings See Profile :

The O/S firewalls in OS X and Windows XP and later are only for incoming connections. Similarly, router firewalls (typically) act only to block incoming attempts based on a limited set of criteria.

Real firewalls, whether in a hardware appliance or add-on to the operating system, allow for much finer control over both incoming and outgoing. If you happen to get a gremlin on your PC (highly unlikely with a MAC), the firewall should a. alert you and b. block any outgoing connections from the malware.

The bad news about s/w firewalls is that they're "noisy," complaining every time a new application tries to get to the outside. Eventually, many users become conditioned to clicking "Allow" or "OK" and don't think about why h4kz0rz.exe wants to access the network or simply turn the firewall off.
The smart software firewall is not that way. It can be smart enough to catch software that and add it to the rules. More and more software firewalls are being programed like this. Gone is the countless popup allow/block.
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