Topic 'Are there any HIGHLY rated wireless N routers for under $50?' in forum 'Wireless Networking' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Are-there-any-HIGHLY-rated-wireless-N-routers-for-under-50-22548159 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:59:42 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:59:42 EDT Re: Final update http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Final-update-22872339 D-Link hasn't discovered the concept of quality assurance and supplier qualification.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Final-update-22872339 Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:04:02 EDT Re: Final update http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Final-update-22871080 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

Almost 20 days with NO connection drops!
You won't have any.. Unless our loose power from the power grid. Other than that you'll be good to go.. I had to move mine out of the network closet (mounted high above the door) drilled 3/8 hole to feed the wires back into closet once I did that connections 150/300 and strong/excellent!
Hmmmmm, I wonder why I had them all the time with my previous router, a D-Link DI-524
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Almost 20 days with NO connection drops!
You won't have any.. Unless our loose power from the power grid. Other than that you'll be good to go.. I had to move mine out of the network closet (mounted high above the door) drilled 3/8 hole to feed the wires back into closet once I did that connections 150/300 and strong/excellent!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Final-update-22657393 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:09:25 EDT Final update http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Final-update-22654520 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Final-update-22654520 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:59:28 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22626105 said by stevech0:

Ethernet does have power going though the cables as you see your link light from the switch to the the back of your NIC (network interface card).
The link light LED is powered by sources on the NIC. The current flowing on common cat5 ethernet is minuscule. With "power over ethernet (PoE)" there is a small amount of current flowing, but still tiny compared to appliances and even wall transformers for electronics.
True but I can put my toner on the line and it will give off a tone. If not contact going through the cable say it was broken or cut then such toner won't be able. Yes POE is different as that does have it's own power but then you need POE switch to use it with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22626105 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:49:58 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22626074 Ethernet does have power going though the cables as you see your link light from the switch to the the back of your NIC (network interface card).
The link light LED is powered by sources on the NIC. The current flowing on common cat5 ethernet is minuscule. With "power over ethernet (PoE)" there is a small amount of current flowing, but still tiny compared to appliances and even wall transformers for electronics.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22626074 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:42:15 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22625651 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

said by stevech0:

It is true that a wire carrying mains/AC power to a high current appliance/device, may create 50/60Hz inductive fields near the cable. (Think electromagnet).

Not a good idea to run any signal wires many feet parallel to and an inch or so from high current AC wires. But low current, probably OK.

Ethernet on cat5 is differential so it will reject all but very unusually strong "common mode" interference from adjacent wires.

Same, for big AC motors/transformers.
Thanks. Well, I've been running all the cables near and touching each other for years with NO problems so I'm not too worried. :)
Well if you want the best performance you might want to consider applying these methods. It's really up to you though to do it. I just use the Velcro because it's easier to change wires then to cut the wire plastic ties up.

Ethernet does have power going though the cables as you see your link light from the switch to the the back of your NIC (network interface card).


Thanks, but all is good here so I'll just leave it be. :)
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said by stevech0:

It is true that a wire carrying mains/AC power to a high current appliance/device, may create 50/60Hz inductive fields near the cable. (Think electromagnet).

Not a good idea to run any signal wires many feet parallel to and an inch or so from high current AC wires. But low current, probably OK.

Ethernet on cat5 is differential so it will reject all but very unusually strong "common mode" interference from adjacent wires.

Same, for big AC motors/transformers.
Thanks. Well, I've been running all the cables near and touching each other for years with NO problems so I'm not too worried. :)
Well if you want the best performance you might want to consider applying these methods. It's really up to you though to do it. I just use the Velcro because it's easier to change wires then to cut the wire plastic ties up.

Ethernet does have power going though the cables as you see your link light from the switch to the the back of your NIC (network interface card).

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22625606 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:57:45 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22625318 said by stevech0:

It is true that a wire carrying mains/AC power to a high current appliance/device, may create 50/60Hz inductive fields near the cable. (Think electromagnet).

Not a good idea to run any signal wires many feet parallel to and an inch or so from high current AC wires. But low current, probably OK.

Ethernet on cat5 is differential so it will reject all but very unusually strong "common mode" interference from adjacent wires.

Same, for big AC motors/transformers.
Thanks. Well, I've been running all the cables near and touching each other for years with NO problems so I'm not too worried. :)
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Not a good idea to run any signal wires many feet parallel to and an inch or so from high current AC wires. But low current, probably OK.

Ethernet on cat5 is differential so it will reject all but very unusually strong "common mode" interference from adjacent wires.

Same, for big AC motors/transformers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22625179 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:11:26 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22624165 said by tipstir:

live Ethernet cable should not touch live power cordsWhy not? The signal that travels through everything is on the INSIDE of the cables. I have live ethernet cable touching live power cords and it's not hurting anything.
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ethernet network cable
power cable you know already

live Ethernet cable should not touch live power cords
You can combine all Ethernet cables together
All power cords together
Coax cable should be no where needs these live cables above.

It's good wire management too. Don' t you tie wraps, use Velcro wraps get a couple roles. Wa-Mart in the knitting section have these cheaper and you get a lot of them for $5 bucks. I use them as shown here.

older setups





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said by fonzbear2000:

All the devices are plugged into the same power strip and it's a cheaper one so it doesn't have EMI/EMF reducing. A couple questions:
1.I only see 120-130, nothing with 270-300. How do I see if I'm getting those numbers as well?
2. With LAN, coax, and power cables, the signal that travels through them is on the inside of the cable, correct? So, why would it matter if they're near each other?

PLEASE answer BOTH my questions. Thanks. :)
TX: RX:
I don't have a mac so I have to go by what you report.

TX: 150 RX: 300

If you get the 150/300 that's the best you'll get from the router for wireless N. That can vary too though. 120/270 or 120/180.
Ah, I see. Can you answer this question too please?:

With LAN, coax, and power cables, the signal that travels through them is on the inside of the cable, correct? So, why would it matter if they're near each other?
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All the devices are plugged into the same power strip and it's a cheaper one so it doesn't have EMI/EMF reducing. A couple questions:
1.I only see 120-130, nothing with 270-300. How do I see if I'm getting those numbers as well?
2. With LAN, coax, and power cables, the signal that travels through them is on the inside of the cable, correct? So, why would it matter if they're near each other?

PLEASE answer BOTH my questions. Thanks. :)
TX: RX:
I don't have a mac so I have to go by what you report.

TX: 150 RX: 300

If you get the 150/300 that's the best you'll get from the router for wireless N. That can vary too though. 120/270 or 120/180. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22622136 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:58:49 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22621432 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

said by tipstir:

The NIC in your MAC is that draft-N? Speed for you is great but the quality of the link speed is what you have to watch out for! Mine right now I am on in the upper floor second one showing 150/300 and excellent. I was lousy prior in the week, now look out!
LOL. I'm still wondering how to reduce EMI/EMF. And yes, the NICs in all 3 Macs are N.
Do you plug-in all your devices into surge protectors or some sort of power strips? Some more expensive ones have EMI/EMF reducing.. All power cables are together. Any coax lines used with cable modem kept away from the rest. All LAN cables are together and if you have phone lines should be kept away. But the only issue you have is your not getting 150/300 so you are really getting 120/270 still not bad though.
All the devices are plugged into the same power strip and it's a cheaper one so it doesn't have EMI/EMF reducing. A couple questions:
1.I only see 120-130, nothing with 270-300. How do I see if I'm getting those numbers as well?
2. With LAN, coax, and power cables, the signal that travels through them is on the inside of the cable, correct? So, why would it matter if they're near each other?

PLEASE answer BOTH my questions. Thanks. :)
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said by tipstir:

The NIC in your MAC is that draft-N? Speed for you is great but the quality of the link speed is what you have to watch out for! Mine right now I am on in the upper floor second one showing 150/300 and excellent. I was lousy prior in the week, now look out!
LOL. I'm still wondering how to reduce EMI/EMF. And yes, the NICs in all 3 Macs are N.
Do you plug-in all your devices into surge protectors or some sort of power strips? Some more expensive ones have EMI/EMF reducing.. All power cables are together. Any coax lines used with cable modem kept away from the rest. All LAN cables are together and if you have phone lines should be kept away. But the only issue you have is your not getting 150/300 so you are really getting 120/270 still not bad though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22621324 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:47:55 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22620971 said by tipstir:

The NIC in your MAC is that draft-N? Speed for you is great but the quality of the link speed is what you have to watch out for! Mine right now I am on in the upper floor second one showing 150/300 and excellent. I was lousy prior in the week, now look out!
LOL. I'm still wondering how to reduce EMI/EMF. And yes, the NICs in all 3 Macs are N.
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said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

Hmmmmm, my transmit rate is only 130.

That's why I was wondering what you had setup? 130 Tx. I was getting 120 Tx. Now I get Tx 150/300. With the right settings in the router and placement of the router. Isolate all the LAN/WAN/Power cables so nothing is touching. Reduce the EMI/EMF. Router and my external switches and the modem are not near each other.
Because of the way things are set up, everything has to be near each other and it's not really possible to isolate the LAN/WAN/power cables. How do I reduce the EMI/EMF? Also, that speed just affects how fast files transfer between shared computers correct? Speed tests and file download speeds are just fine. If it's just file transfer speeds between shared computers, that's not really a big deal.
The NIC in your MAC is that draft-N? Speed for you is great but the quality of the link speed is what you have to watch out for! Mine right now I am on in the upper floor second one showing 150/300 and excellent. I was lousy prior in the week, now look out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22620476 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:08:48 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22619332 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

Hmmmmm, my transmit rate is only 130.

That's why I was wondering what you had setup? 130 Tx. I was getting 120 Tx. Now I get Tx 150/300. With the right settings in the router and placement of the router. Isolate all the LAN/WAN/Power cables so nothing is touching. Reduce the EMI/EMF. Router and my external switches and the modem are not near each other.
Because of the way things are set up, everything has to be near each other and it's not really possible to isolate the LAN/WAN/power cables. How do I reduce the EMI/EMF? Also, that speed just affects how fast files transfer between shared computers correct? Speed tests and file download speeds are just fine. If it's just file transfer speeds between shared computers, that's not really a big deal.
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Hmmmmm, my transmit rate is only 130.

That's why I was wondering what you had setup? 130 Tx. I was getting 120 Tx. Now I get Tx 150/300. With the right settings in the router and placement of the router. Isolate all the LAN/WAN/Power cables so nothing is touching. Reduce the EMI/EMF. Router and my external switches and the modem are not near each other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22619305 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:44:17 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22619294
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Or open Network Utility under Applications > Utilities
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22617991 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:17:59 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22617906 said by bbarrera:

Thats a shame that Belkin N+ only uses the crowded 2.4GHz band, makes wide-band performance suffer if you have a lot of neighbors. Its OK in the SmallNetBuilder price/performance charts:
»www.smallnetbuilder.com/componen···hart,69/

If range isn't an issue then dual-band N provides more flexibility and more channels on 5GHz band. On the uncrowded 5GHz band I'm getting 300Mbps raw connection speeds, and as high as 120Mbps transfer rates. Of course range is usually less than 2.4GHz band. It all comes down to your environment and what you want to optimize (cost, distance, performance).
How do I find out what the raw connection speed on my router is?
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If range isn't an issue then dual-band N provides more flexibility and more channels on 5GHz band. On the uncrowded 5GHz band I'm getting 300Mbps raw connection speeds, and as high as 120Mbps transfer rates. Of course range is usually less than 2.4GHz band. It all comes down to your environment and what you want to optimize (cost, distance, performance).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22617329 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:03:35 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22617028 said by bbarrera:

said by tipstir:

move the router to another location, locked it to 802.11n an set the Hz to 20Hz that turns off the channel bonding feature that screws the wireless channel setting. Anyway N is stable again..
Are you saying the Belkin N @ 5GHz is wacky?

I've got an Airport Extreme and house is filled with 5.8GHz cordless and with N on lower 5GHz channels (not the upper 5.8GHz ISM band) and with channel bonding it works great. Transferring 5GB ISO files between wired and wireless computers and consistently getting minimum of 75Mbps for the entire transfer. The draft N in my environment is a 100M Ethernet replacement.
No the Belkin N+ is 2.4GHz uses 2T3R two ANT design and it's range is 1,200 FT. It suppose to pouch though the basement and shot-up the signal. But DECT 6.0 cordless phones are suppose to be Wi-Fi Network friendly. But with 802.11n seems to be a different story and with 802.11g it's okay. I'll have to see how it goes but signal in dBm is showing -50 on the first floor the router is in the basement family room. To move it upstairs would be an issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22617028 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:05:29 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22616827 said by tipstir:

move the router to another location, locked it to 802.11n an set the Hz to 20Hz that turns off the channel bonding feature that screws the wireless channel setting. Anyway N is stable again..Are you saying the Belkin N @ 5GHz is wacky?

I've got an Airport Extreme and house is filled with 5.8GHz cordless and with N on lower 5GHz channels (not the upper 5.8GHz ISM band) and with channel bonding it works great. Transferring 5GB ISO files between wired and wireless computers and consistently getting minimum of 75Mbps for the entire transfer. The draft N in my environment is a 100M Ethernet replacement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22616827 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:35:39 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22616595 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

1 floor and a basement.
On the first floor, but no one ever uses laptops in the basement.
No.
5.8GHz.
I don't use the external storage feature on the router.
Thanks for the info, the only reason why I had mention the request was I was curious how you had yours setup. I have notice a drop in signal. I had ditched my 5.8GHz cordless for DECT 6.0 (1.9GHz). A few days later N started to act weird. If I put the router in 802.11b/g mode everything is okay. Once I push it to N ouch! So looking at yours I've move the router to another location, locked it to 802.11n an set the Hz to 20Hz that turns off the channel bonding feature that screws the wireless channel setting. Anyway N is stable again..

Take care..
Ah, I see. Well, glad you got your problem worked out too. :)

Plus, I just got my highest EVER results on a speed test!

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1 floor and a basement.
On the first floor, but no one ever uses laptops in the basement.
No.
5.8GHz.
I don't use the external storage feature on the router.
Thanks for the info, the only reason why I had mention the request was I was curious how you had yours setup. I have notice a drop in signal. I had ditched my 5.8GHz cordless for DECT 6.0 (1.9GHz). A few days later N started to act weird. If I put the router in 802.11b/g mode everything is okay. Once I push it to N ouch! So looking at yours I've move the router to another location, locked it to 802.11n an set the Hz to 20Hz that turns off the channel bonding feature that screws the wireless channel setting. Anyway N is stable again..

Take care..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22616564 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:50:58 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22615964 On the first floor, but no one ever uses laptops in the basement.
No.
5.8GHz.
I don't use the external storage feature on the router.
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What laundry detergent do you use and does it make your whites whiter?

Let's keep this relative to the topic at hand.
There is a reason why I am asking those questions. Interference Isolation where the signal is stronger where the member has placed the Belkin N+.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22613284 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:49:19 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22613139
Let's keep this relative to the topic at hand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22613139 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:21:24 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22613077 said by fonzbear2000:



Stuff is blurred out because it's a white board with a LOT of phone numbers.
Thanks..

A few questions for you?

How many floors you have in your dwelling?
Is this router kept on the first floor?
Do you close your door where the router is being used in?
Is that phone to the right VOIP or 900MHz, 2.4GHz, 5.8GHz or DECT 6.0 (1.9GHz)?

I see your not using external USB storage HDD to the Router or are you using USB Flash Drive?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22613077 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:52:12 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22611179

Stuff is blurred out because it's a white board with a LOT of phone numbers.
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You mean a picture of my actual router? What for? LOL
Just wondering how you have it setup or positioned? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22610537 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:07:17 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22609848 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

said by No_Strings:

It was covered earlier, but I'll add my thoughts.

Router anomalies like you've described are pretty common for consumer-grade devices. They typically result from memory exhaustion and poorly-written firmware. The most common cause is the use of P2P applications which can create large numbers of TCP/IP connections.

Skimp on memory to keep the cost low, ship firmware with sloppy code and you have the recipe for a BestBuy special.

Compared to the load placed on the router by P2P apps, a few external pings from script kiddies looking for a mark don't count for much.
Thanks for the additional input. Well, Belkin must be doing something right. Also, I got the router at Target, not Best Buy LOL. But seriously, whatever it is, be it better firmware, memory, a combination of both, I would VERY HIGHLY recommend this router to anyone having similar problems. It's all good and hopefully it will stay that way. :)
Hey if you care too show us all here a picture of your router just showing the router active..
You mean a picture of my actual router? What for? LOL
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said by No_Strings:

It was covered earlier, but I'll add my thoughts.

Router anomalies like you've described are pretty common for consumer-grade devices. They typically result from memory exhaustion and poorly-written firmware. The most common cause is the use of P2P applications which can create large numbers of TCP/IP connections.

Skimp on memory to keep the cost low, ship firmware with sloppy code and you have the recipe for a BestBuy special.

Compared to the load placed on the router by P2P apps, a few external pings from script kiddies looking for a mark don't count for much.
Thanks for the additional input. Well, Belkin must be doing something right. Also, I got the router at Target, not Best Buy LOL. But seriously, whatever it is, be it better firmware, memory, a combination of both, I would VERY HIGHLY recommend this router to anyone having similar problems. It's all good and hopefully it will stay that way. :)
Hey if you care too show us all here a picture of your router just showing the router active..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22609189 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:34:39 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22607060 said by No_Strings:

It was covered earlier, but I'll add my thoughts.

Router anomalies like you've described are pretty common for consumer-grade devices. They typically result from memory exhaustion and poorly-written firmware. The most common cause is the use of P2P applications which can create large numbers of TCP/IP connections.

Skimp on memory to keep the cost low, ship firmware with sloppy code and you have the recipe for a BestBuy special.

Compared to the load placed on the router by P2P apps, a few external pings from script kiddies looking for a mark don't count for much.
Thanks for the additional input. Well, Belkin must be doing something right. Also, I got the router at Target, not Best Buy LOL. But seriously, whatever it is, be it better firmware, memory, a combination of both, I would VERY HIGHLY recommend this router to anyone having similar problems. It's all good and hopefully it will stay that way. :)
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Router anomalies like you've described are pretty common for consumer-grade devices. They typically result from memory exhaustion and poorly-written firmware. The most common cause is the use of P2P applications which can create large numbers of TCP/IP connections.

Skimp on memory to keep the cost low, ship firmware with sloppy code and you have the recipe for a BestBuy special.

Compared to the load placed on the router by P2P apps, a few external pings from script kiddies looking for a mark don't count for much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22607006 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:16:13 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22606939 said by stevech0:

said by fonzbear2000:

You bet. :)

Also, 9 days with NO connection drops! I'm pretty convinced that different wireless routers have different firewalls that block different things and whatever this router is blocking, my previous D-link didn't block which caused it to have connection drops.
Not.
Care to elaborate on why you think not?
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You bet. :)

Also, 9 days with NO connection drops! I'm pretty convinced that different wireless routers have different firewalls that block different things and whatever this router is blocking, my previous D-link didn't block which caused it to have connection drops.
Not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22606843 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:03:24 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22606688 said by bbarrera:

said by fonzbear2000:

Also, 9 days with NO connection drops! I'm pretty convinced that different wireless routers have different firewalls that block different things and whatever this router is blocking, my previous D-link didn't block which caused it to have connection drops.
The typical reasons for having to reset a wireless router are:
- radio incompatibilities (usually fixed by firmware update on notebook or router)
- P2P or gaming server refresh can cause some routers to run out of memory

And then you have various DNS and DHCP issues, with some cheap consumer routers doing a really bad job of working with Mac OS X even though DHCP and DNS are standards and easy to get right if you are a router vendor.

Its very, very unlikely firewall blocking has anything to do with it, and without more specific info about your disconnects its hard to say (did the Macbook lose IP address, could the Macbook ping the iMac, could you ping the Internet by IP address, etc, etc). I've helped a lot of people and I've never seen the firewall involved with random "disconnect" issues.

Glad the new router is working out for you!
It has nothing to do with Mac because the same thing happened before we switched to Macs and had ONLY Windows computers on the network. I have no idea what the computers would do as far as losing their IP's and no nothing about pinging so I never tried that. I don't know what it is, but this router is doing something different than the previous one. :) Maybe it's the radio incompatibilities. Hmmmmm, come to think of it, I did have ports open for bit torrent and a couple other p2p programs, but I don't anymore because I discovered I can use universal plug 'n play. Maybe that was the reason. However, the problem also happened back when I was wired and I had a D-link wired router. Maybe it's a D-link thing LOL. Then again, I'm sure others would say they have D-link and it never happens. I guess I shouldn't worry too much about it and just be glad that my new router is working so well. :)
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»Check this out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22606688 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:04:08 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22605765 said by fonzbear2000:

Also, 9 days with NO connection drops! I'm pretty convinced that different wireless routers have different firewalls that block different things and whatever this router is blocking, my previous D-link didn't block which caused it to have connection drops. The typical reasons for having to reset a wireless router are:
- radio incompatibilities (usually fixed by firmware update on notebook or router)
- P2P or gaming server refresh can cause some routers to run out of memory

And then you have various DNS and DHCP issues, with some cheap consumer routers doing a really bad job of working with Mac OS X even though DHCP and DNS are standards and easy to get right if you are a router vendor.

Its very, very unlikely firewall blocking has anything to do with it, and without more specific info about your disconnects its hard to say (did the Macbook lose IP address, could the Macbook ping the iMac, could you ping the Internet by IP address, etc, etc). I've helped a lot of people and I've never seen the firewall involved with random "disconnect" issues.

Glad the new router is working out for you!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22605765 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:56:11 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22605230 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

said by tipstir:

Can you go outside with your iMAC like walk around the house to see how you do with the range. If you're battery isn't working on the imac it's okay don't bother. But what you described the router is working great then around the house.
Connection seems great all around the yard and speed test results are the same. :)
Thanks for doing that for me..
You bet. :)

Also, 9 days with NO connection drops! I'm pretty convinced that different wireless routers have different firewalls that block different things and whatever this router is blocking, my previous D-link didn't block which caused it to have connection drops.
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»Check this out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22605230 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:08:26 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604895 said by fonzbear2000:

said by tipstir:

Can you go outside with your iMAC like walk around the house to see how you do with the range. If you're battery isn't working on the imac it's okay don't bother. But what you described the router is working great then around the house.
Connection seems great all around the yard and speed test results are the same. :)
Thanks for doing that for me..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604895 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:04:49 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604746 said by tipstir:

Can you go outside with your iMAC like walk around the house to see how you do with the range. If you're battery isn't working on the imac it's okay don't bother. But what you described the router is working great then around the house.
Connection seems great all around the yard and speed test results are the same. :)
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»Check this out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604746 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:36:52 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604657 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604657 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:20:44 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604614 said by fonzbear2000:

said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

Thanks, I VERY MUCH appreciate all your effort, but being on a Mac, I'm not too worried about it. Now, Winblows is another story.
You're welcome.. One question for you how close did you placed the Belkin N+ where you use your laptop. Do you use the laptop outside also?
Well, we have an iMac and 2 Macbooks. My dad usually uses the iMac while my sister and I are all over the house on the Macbooks. It's quite rare that we're outside though.
Can you go outside with your iMAC like walk around the house to see how you do with the range. If you're battery isn't working on the imac it's okay don't bother. But what you described the router is working great then around the house.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604614 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:12:32 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604497 said by tipstir:

said by fonzbear2000:

Thanks, I VERY MUCH appreciate all your effort, but being on a Mac, I'm not too worried about it. Now, Winblows is another story.
You're welcome.. One question for you how close did you placed the Belkin N+ where you use your laptop. Do you use the laptop outside also?
Well, we have an iMac and 2 Macbooks. My dad usually uses the iMac while my sister and I are all over the house on the Macbooks. It's quite rare that we're outside though.
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»Check this out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604497 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:54:06 EDT Re: Update... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604453 said by fonzbear2000:

Thanks, I VERY MUCH appreciate all your effort, but being on a Mac, I'm not too worried about it. Now, Winblows is another story.
You're welcome.. One question for you how close did you placed the Belkin N+ where you use your laptop. Do you use the laptop outside also?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Update-22604453 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:44:02 EDT