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Re: Our local ICE team doesn't care if you are a cop
said by linicx  : The law calls this pedophilia. It does so incorrectly: it's actually ephebophilia.
I think most of us see a material difference between sexual attraction to a 5 year old, and to a 17 year old. |
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kelseysmom,
You plead an eloquent case. The elephant in the room is the law. He was the adult. She was a child. The law calls this pedophilia. The fine points of this case have yet to be litigated.
This poor misunderstood cop would not be the only man in the world that let testosterone over-ride good judgement, an unblemished career, a marriage with children, public service, the rule of law or good intentions.
He did.
When he clicked 'send' he opened a can of worms that probably ruined his own career. Worst scenario is the case is dismissed and so is he. What kind of a job is an ex-cop with a reputation of a "pedophile" going to get? Who will employ him? What is is life worth? Cops hate pedophiles as much as cons do. You cannot put them in general prison population. And regardless of where he moves, there will always be someone who remembers the Internet story.
The repercussion is not a lot different than the people who genuinely believe Obama is a Muslim and his Birth Certificate from Hawaii is a fake. .
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said by Link Logger : [...] I still maintain and believe that 99.9999% of cops are good guys [...] In Canuckistan maybe, but down here it's more like 50%. Law enforcement has entirely too many discretionary powers and gains more with each passing day. Case in point: Tasering. |
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Fortunately we have a legal system and he will get his day in court, however I will say the ICE team is pretty diligent in their efforts and investigations so the trial should prove interesting.
As a follow up to another case against another local retire officer and child porn:
»www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/···sun.html
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Former Calgary cop Steve Huggett had no legitimate reason for collecting child porn, a judge said yesterday in sentencing him to nine months in jail.
Provincial court Judge Barb Veldhuis rejected Huggett's claim he was only keeping the material as part of an ongoing, clandestine investigation to stamp out child pornography.
Veldhuis noted Huggett, a 25-year veteran of the Calgary Police Service, never attempted to pass on information to superiors, or other investigators.
Again let me say I think Calgary has one of the best and most professional police departments going and every interaction I've had with them has left me suitably impressed.
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this was just sent to me, & i too know him & he is an outstanding police officer. he eats, sleeps & breathes the police force . he has received many commendations for his dedication to the citizens of calgary. you CANNOT lump a 4 year old & a 17 year old in the same category. it's like a speeding ticket. if you are caught doin 55 in a 50, your ticket (if you get one) will be far less, than if you were doin 100 in a 50. this young man is NOT a pedophile & it saddens me to know that he is being treated as one. who's doin the luring here? he rejected the offer of this "girl" sending him pics, until she was of age. this "girl" repeatedly lured him into sayin yes. who's the stalker here? how is the law that he COULD have sexual relations with a 16 year old, but not allowed to possess a picture of a 17 year old, fair? if he would have met this "girl" at a party & had sex with her, that would have been ok. a pedophile would not wait until the fall to ask for a picture, like it was stated in the news. if he was a REAL pedophile, would he have said that? it's unfortunate that he will loose everything thing he has worked so hard for, over one line in a conversation. if you do something right, no one remembers, you do something wrong, no one forgets. he does NOT deserve this Crucifixion. they are going after the wrong guy & the city of calgary will loose a great police officer. |
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To follow up further there is a case against a retired cop who was charge with possession of child pornography which is in the courts now. The retired officer claims that he was on a one man crusade to save the victims:
»www.calgaryherald.com/news/Retir···ory.html
Now certainly I understand the personal belief for a one man crusade, however the system exists for a reason and that is to follow the 'rules' etc of investigation and its legal process and so while I'm convinced this retired officer is not a pedophile, he should have known better then to launch a one man crusade, and particularly in this area, as possession is possession and illegal regardless of the reason outside of a legitimate investigation. I believe he will be convicted and sentenced to jail time (not less then 90 days) and perhaps a couple years probation to ensure he doesn't launch any other one man crusades. I have my own doubts about him registering as sex offender as this person doesn't sound like a predator.
One has to be careful that personal beliefs don't cloud the reality of some situations.
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said by Link Logger :When this case goes to court, I'm looking forward to see the evidence the ICE team has collected ... Blake
I agree - It would be interesting to see the evidence, including chat logs, forensic information and chain of custody, as well as the specific laws that will be applied.
If the evidence is properly gathered, verified and processed there should be a fair hearing, assuming a competent judge is presiding. If not, a good defense lawyer can get a guilty person off. Conversely a poor defense lawyer can leave an innocent person convicted on bad evidence.
I feel many law enforcement people, judges and prosecutors still have a long way to go in educating themselves on computer and technology based crimes and trials, particularly in rural and local jurisdictions. There should be better education and training in this area.
EDIT - As others have mentioned, even when someone is found innocent, they are still considered by many as "accused child molester/predator". That accusation is one that seems to stick with people regardless of the outcome.
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I agree with you. I too have worked with this man. I also know him on a personal level. He is open and honest. He is professional and responsible. He is not what the media is trying to make him. He is not a predator. It is unfortunate that he has made this mistake that will tarnish his reputation. |
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Good on you for speaking up. I also know him very well ,both in a professional and personal capacity. Not for one moment do I think or believe he is guilty of anything other than poor judgement. |
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Re: Our local ICE team doesn't care if you are a cop
said by lightbulb :
I feel badly for the officer. He is an excellent, hard working cop. His service record is unblemished and I feel he's been given a bad rap. Sure, he was set up and showed poor judgment; but he does not deserve this public crucifixion. Internal discipline - perhaps. But criminal charges plastered in the media? He is not a public threat, nor is he a 'child' predator. The media perception of this officer is gross. I hope this young officer maintains his position on the force. He is a great asset to his department.
Being Telus you're out west so you may know him.
Seems weird that he can have sex with her legally yet be charged for asking her to send a pic.
The criminal code needs some reform in this context. |
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lightbulb
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I do know him. |
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Blue2
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said by lightbulb :
I feel badly for the officer. He is an excellent, hard working cop. His service record is unblemished and I feel he's been given a bad rap. Sure, he was set up and showed poor judgment; but he does not deserve this public crucifixion.
Do you know this officer or is this just a general impression? I'm still not sure that precisely what he did has been reported, so how do you know if that rap is appropriate or not? Was he specifically set up, and if so, why? Without all the facts, I make no assumptions other than that there was some presumed basis for his arrest. |
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I feel badly for the officer. He is an excellent, hard working cop. His service record is unblemished and I feel he's been given a bad rap. Sure, he was set up and showed poor judgment; but he does not deserve this public crucifixion. Internal discipline - perhaps. But criminal charges plastered in the media? He is not a public threat, nor is he a 'child' predator. The media perception of this officer is gross. I hope this young officer maintains his position on the force. He is a great asset to his department. |
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That's part makes me angry about police or judicial misconduct. Currently in MD there are convictions being challenged and thrown out due, if I'm remembering correctly, either to falsified drug test results or mishandling/misrepresenting/planting of evidence, all due to proven misconduct by one person. People who would likely have been convicted, fairly, are walking because of the misconduct of one person. |
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Blue2
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said by SnowyOne : I'm late getting to this thread but I'd think if found guilty it would trump anything the officer had previously accomplished. And sadly, perhaps even provide grounds for appeals on trials he might have been involved in. |
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said by Link Logger :This young man has worked hard to get onto the force and has a good record as an officer, but if he is found guilty it will cast a shadow over a lot of positive things he has done in his past. I'm late getting to this thread but I'd think if found guilty it would trump anything the officer had previously accomplished. |
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Link Logger
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When this case goes to court, I'm looking forward to see the evidence the ICE team has collected and perhaps I'll show up in court to hear it presented, but typically once the accused sees the amount of evidence which has been collected, they plead guilty as they know their guilty and that someone else knows their guilty and can prove it. This young man has worked hard to get onto the force and has a good record as an officer, but if he is found guilty it will cast a shadow over a lot of positive things he has done in his past.
Are newspapers etc going to give all the facts and such, nope but it in effect lets you know whats going on so if you wish to go sit in court and get the details and such you can, one of the things I like about our system is public trials. Sometimes a visit to your local court house to see the system in action can be very interesting.
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jarthur31
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When are you people ever going to go after the Catholic priests???!!!
They've been getting away with this depravity for over 800 years. Do you not care? |
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Blue2
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As facts are released, the basis for this particular arrest will become clearer. But to question such arrests with the claim that they might unreasonably "piss on the lives of people" appears to be unsupported by statistics.
The US Department of Justice states that on child pornography prosecutions from 1992 to date: "In 89 percent of the cases, the defendants either pled guilty or were found guilty at trial. Of the remaining cases, approximately 8 percent were dismissed, 3 percent were terminated for other reasons, and 0.5 percent resulted in acquittals." »www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/plus/e···ults.htm
That's an extremely low acquittal rate for any crime, suggesting that either a judge summarily dismisses the case for lack of evidence OR the case proceeds with the defendant pleading guility or being convicted. So if they have enough evidence to get you to trial, your chances are not good. |
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