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Re: Our local ICE team doesn't care if you are a cop
said by Link Logger  :One of the reasons why I couldn't be a cop is when you have to deal with all the stuff they deal with day in and day out you can become a little desensitized and the line between right and wrong can become a little blurry so it takes real effort sometimes to maintain that line. I have to gently argue this point. There is no reason for an adult Law Enforcement Officer to blur the line between a consenting adult and a minor child of any age. There is no room for that kind of blur in this job title.
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| said by linicx :There is no room for that kind of blur in this job title. Well, there probably should be. Most of us would distinguish somehow between the sexual assault of a four year old, and a gal willingly fooling around a month before she turns 18.
I'm not sure how one codifies it, but it's hard to call them "the same thing".
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| said by Steve :said by linicx :There is no room for that kind of blur in this job title. Well, there probably should be. Most of us would distinguish somehow between the sexual assault of a four year old, and a gal willingly fooling around a month before she turns 18. I'm not sure how one codifies it, but it's hard to call them "the same thing". Steve The problem is they are both minor children in the eyes of the law until the second they attain majority age. It makes no difference if they were 4 or 17 years, 29 days, 23 hour old; neither is old enough to consent. They wee both minors in the eyes of the law. IF the cop believed she would be majority age in one month, he should have left the chat room for 31 days. But, just like a hungry fish, he took the bait and got caught.
Is the act toward one more horrific than the other? Sure it is, but it does not change the law or the facts. The cop was not looking for a consenting adult. He was looking for a child. .
Cops are supposed to serve and protect the public. The law didn't blur and neither did the cop. He knew what he was doing when he sat down at the computer.
The two pedophiles I knew both said the same thing. "I don't ______ children." The father said, "I would kill any guy who touched my daughter."
His brother and father were pedophiles and he was raped when he was a child by his uncle. His brother was in jail for the same thing when the father was arrested.
Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated and they can't be put in general population in prison. You would be surprised how fast these two grabbed a bible and started quoting. And in X years they will be back in society doing the same thing until they die. Hopefully it will be soon.
The saddest part of this story is every one of these adult men with adult urges had an adult choice they did not make.
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said by Steve :Ok, something doesn't look right. From the article, it says "with the intention of having the victim supply photographs this fall". This article says " It is alleged that Sargent used an Internet chat service to ask a girl he thought was 17 to take photographs of herself "that fall within the definition of child pornography.'' "
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| said by fatness :This article says...*snip* Blame it on the education system; folks can't read at graduation... |
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Probably a bad translation from Canadian to American.
(What do Canadians call the season between Summer and Winter, anyway?) |
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fishing | The 4 seasons in Canada are Winter, Winter, Construction, and Winter. |
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As facts are released, the basis for this particular arrest will become clearer. But to question such arrests with the claim that they might unreasonably "piss on the lives of people" appears to be unsupported by statistics.
The US Department of Justice states that on child pornography prosecutions from 1992 to date: "In 89 percent of the cases, the defendants either pled guilty or were found guilty at trial. Of the remaining cases, approximately 8 percent were dismissed, 3 percent were terminated for other reasons, and 0.5 percent resulted in acquittals." »www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/plus/e···ults.htm
That's an extremely low acquittal rate for any crime, suggesting that either a judge summarily dismisses the case for lack of evidence OR the case proceeds with the defendant pleading guility or being convicted. So if they have enough evidence to get you to trial, your chances are not good. |
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When are you people ever going to go after the Catholic priests???!!!
They've been getting away with this depravity for over 800 years. Do you not care? |
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When this case goes to court, I'm looking forward to see the evidence the ICE team has collected and perhaps I'll show up in court to hear it presented, but typically once the accused sees the amount of evidence which has been collected, they plead guilty as they know their guilty and that someone else knows their guilty and can prove it. This young man has worked hard to get onto the force and has a good record as an officer, but if he is found guilty it will cast a shadow over a lot of positive things he has done in his past.
Are newspapers etc going to give all the facts and such, nope but it in effect lets you know whats going on so if you wish to go sit in court and get the details and such you can, one of the things I like about our system is public trials. Sometimes a visit to your local court house to see the system in action can be very interesting.
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| said by Link Logger :This young man has worked hard to get onto the force and has a good record as an officer, but if he is found guilty it will cast a shadow over a lot of positive things he has done in his past. I'm late getting to this thread but I'd think if found guilty it would trump anything the officer had previously accomplished. |
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| said by SnowyOne : I'm late getting to this thread but I'd think if found guilty it would trump anything the officer had previously accomplished. And sadly, perhaps even provide grounds for appeals on trials he might have been involved in. |
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| That's part makes me angry about police or judicial misconduct. Currently in MD there are convictions being challenged and thrown out due, if I'm remembering correctly, either to falsified drug test results or mishandling/misrepresenting/planting of evidence, all due to proven misconduct by one person. People who would likely have been convicted, fairly, are walking because of the misconduct of one person. |
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I feel badly for the officer. He is an excellent, hard working cop. His service record is unblemished and I feel he's been given a bad rap. Sure, he was set up and showed poor judgment; but he does not deserve this public crucifixion. Internal discipline - perhaps. But criminal charges plastered in the media? He is not a public threat, nor is he a 'child' predator. The media perception of this officer is gross. I hope this young officer maintains his position on the force. He is a great asset to his department. |
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| said by lightbulb :
I feel badly for the officer. He is an excellent, hard working cop. His service record is unblemished and I feel he's been given a bad rap. Sure, he was set up and showed poor judgment; but he does not deserve this public crucifixion.
Do you know this officer or is this just a general impression? I'm still not sure that precisely what he did has been reported, so how do you know if that rap is appropriate or not? Was he specifically set up, and if so, why? Without all the facts, I make no assumptions other than that there was some presumed basis for his arrest. |
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said by lightbulb :
I feel badly for the officer. He is an excellent, hard working cop. His service record is unblemished and I feel he's been given a bad rap. Sure, he was set up and showed poor judgment; but he does not deserve this public crucifixion. Internal discipline - perhaps. But criminal charges plastered in the media? He is not a public threat, nor is he a 'child' predator. The media perception of this officer is gross. I hope this young officer maintains his position on the force. He is a great asset to his department.
Being Telus you're out west so you may know him.
Seems weird that he can have sex with her legally yet be charged for asking her to send a pic.
The criminal code needs some reform in this context. |
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Good on you for speaking up. I also know him very well ,both in a professional and personal capacity. Not for one moment do I think or believe he is guilty of anything other than poor judgement. |
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| I agree with you. I too have worked with this man. I also know him on a personal level. He is open and honest. He is professional and responsible. He is not what the media is trying to make him. He is not a predator. It is unfortunate that he has made this mistake that will tarnish his reputation. |
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