3 edits | 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. You don't need more unless you're hosting a server locally, which is a business activity. Residential connections are asymmetrical for good reason: it satisfies the needs of residential users.
The only users who are likely to be dissatisfied with the upstream bandwidth that Qwest provides are the P2Pers. If a user is doing P2P, he isn't making ordinary residential use of the connection. He's engaged in a business -- the illegal business of distributing pirated copies of intellectual property. Qwest shouldn't be catering to him. |
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| 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. NOT! You comment is so naive I don't even know where to start. I'm not a Quest user, but many of my wife's colleagues are and they are definitely not gamers but web developers who work from home for a large PC manufacturer. They constantly complain about their VPN speeds to the corporate network. They see all of their other colleagues getting a nice 2Mbps up and a chipper 6Mbps down and as it turns out the employees NOT on Quest are more productive because they are not always waiting for their uploads/downloads to finish.
How about you open your eyes to a much bigger world SuperWISP and stop trying to rationalize something you really don't understand.
And your comments on P2P are laughable. You do realize that there are loads of legal valid uses for P2P don't you? My company uses P2P for software and driver updates. Its far more efficient and less taxing to our public software offerings than FTP is. |
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. I love photography and video. I shoot raw on the photos. I just love to send tiny low quality jpgs because of slow upload.
I also do work etc. from home. Love to share those big files across a slow connection.
No I do not need 10 meg upload. A couple would do nicely. If I wanted to run a real server have it hosted. There is no way to get that nice close connection to fat pipes without hosting. |
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. NO said by axiomatic:They constantly complain about their VPN speeds to the corporate network. That's business use. No surprise that it requires a business class connection. That's not a problem for any ISP to provide, but you should expect to pay a fair price for the larger amount of resources you are consuming and the greater cost of providing them.
said by axiomatic:How about you open your eyes to a much bigger world SuperWISP and stop trying to rationalize something you really don't understand. How about you open your eyes to the real world, where bandwidth costs money and can't just be given away for free?
said by axiomatic:You do realize that there are loads of legal valid uses for P2P don't you? When you signed up for a residential class connection, you agreed not to run a server -- and P2P turns computers into servers. So, P2P is not legal or valid in this situation, even if it is one of the tiny fraction of a percent of cases where P2P is not being used for piracy. Again, you should not expect to use an ISP's resources without paying at least as much as they cost. That's just fair. |
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. said by no_one :
No I do not need 10 meg upload. A couple would do nicely.
Then buy that much. Any ISP will gladly sell it to you. You might even want to try using a WISP.  |
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It took me hours to download Windows 7. But I guess that is ok since my speed is "enough" and I can let my computer run all night. :-P |
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I don't like long times uploading/saturating bandwidth/ and that crap interleaving +15MS U/D on ping. So your argument is valid for grandma, not for people who need to do ANY telecommuting/file uploads etc... |
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said by mossland :
It took me hours to download Windows 7. But I guess that is ok since my speed is "enough" and I can let my computer run all night. :-P
another vapor ware
stick with 2k or xp |
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You have just outed yourself as a tool of these mega corps who only care for short term gains as opposed to the future.
I'm a gamer and I can tell you that u/l speed is not nearly enough when you're playing online. And I'm also not a P2P pirate as you have said.
I don't complain about my d/l speed to anyone because it's above the national average but my u/l of 512 mbps is horribly atrocious.
From now on, please spew your ignorance where others won't expose you. |
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Which WISP do you run? I'd like to know so I can avoid it like the plague and tell everyone I know to do the same. |
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. NO So what you are saying is that Quest is selling something under provisioned and its the users fault somehow for it? Get real... They are trying to do the very least in network infrastructure upgrades while focusing on profiting from that lack of upgrading for their shareholders. Pure and simple.
Stop defending Quest which is obviously a poorly run ISP. You do realize that your comments are counter to most everyone else in here? |
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 jhboricuaExMod 2000-01
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. You do realize the term vaporware is used for products that don't exists...  |
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hmm, my upload of 256K works fine for gaming as does the massive 640K download. Although it is an old-school connection with NO interleaving
Only thing that sucks is if one has to upload photos or large files over qwest (or download on my connection, but i could upgrade at no cost) The office is 2 blocks away...sneakernet has better transfer rate  I do wonder about the traceroute for those 2 blocks covering 3000 miles however....
Carry on with the 'Qwest is still slow' post of the week.
PS: They will probably still be slow next week...stay tuned |
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anything that consume excessive amount of ram and resources is vaporware
your definition would fit for spyware or ads |
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said by SuperWISP:You don't need more unless you're hosting a server locally, which is a business activity. Residential connections are asymmetrical for good reason: it satisfies the needs of residential users. The only users who are likely to be dissatisfied with the upstream bandwidth that Qwest provides are the P2Pers. If a user is doing P2P, he isn't making ordinary residential use of the connection. He's engaged in a business -- the illegal business of distributing pirated copies of intellectual property. Qwest shouldn't be catering to him. I p2p linux iso's for the community. There goes your statement about all p2p being illegal. actually most p2p activity is LEGAL you just hear more about the illegal stuff due to the massive maount of fearmongering and fud going around.
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. NO Web developers who work from home are engaged in an employment/business use of their broadband. They stick with residential until they find out that the cheap rate comes with "next available" service when their connection goes down.
If you use your car as a taxi, even part time, aren't you required to license and insure it in your jurisdiction as a commercial vehicle?
Anyone who writes off their broadband service is already saving 18 - 28 percent of the cost through their taxes; the down time for service costs them the difference. I'd rather have a line tech out *that day* on a bottom tier enterprise account if I go down. The additional cost is well worth it, and it's not that much. |
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. said by jadebangle:anything that consume excessive amount of ram and resources is vaporware your definition would fit for spyware or ads Wrong again, the term has got nothing to do with that. It applies to hardware/software that, after much hype, never materializes.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware/
Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released.[1] The term is usually applied to products which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware. Example: Duke Nukem Forever, winner of the annual vaporware awards for several years. And who can forget the amazing Phantom game console?
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. NO said by SuperWISP:When you signed up for a residential class connection, you agreed not to run a server -- and P2P turns computers into servers. So, P2P is not legal or valid in this situation, even if it is one of the tiny fraction of a percent of cases where P2P is not being used for piracy. Again, you should not expect to use an ISP's resources without paying at least as much as they cost. That's just fair. Qwest allows servers, and even has a section in their FAQ on the Q1000 modem about opening hosting ports.
Even if they forbade servers, your argument is invalid because P2P technology is completely legal, and running a torrent client DOES NOT turn your system into a server, it's simply a node whether you're leeching or seeding. It's the content that people download using P2P technology that gets it so much unneeded attention. |
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You do realize that Qwest sells static ip addresses for their residental service. Tell me why a residental customer would need one, if they were not running some sort of server.
and if 768 is plenty enough & anything after that is being used for illegal activity, then why are other companies offering higher upload speeds. For instance Comcast in my area has a 2 meg upload speed & Verizon minimum upload is 2, & I believe they go up to 15 |
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. said by SuperWISP:You don't need more unless you're hosting a server locally, which is a business activity. Residential connections are asymmetrical for good reason: it satisfies the needs of residential users. Some of us actually use our upstream for more than ACKs and stealing movies/music/software.
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you sound like a "suit"
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