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Re: That's great but said by r81984:I do know that some cdma carriers in canada are planning to switch to gsm. My gsm phone gets signals where cdma does not. gsm has much more coverage than cdma in the us and goes through walls a lot better. Having to call people on verizon sucks when they are indoors. Obviously since you live in Canada you are unqualified to talk about what happens here in the US, so let me educate you.
Fact - coverage has nothing to do with CDMA vs GSM. However, those on the Verizon network have substantially more coverage in many areas than those on AT&T or T-Mobile. Since Sprint users can roam on verizon, they have that too.
In areas I primarily travel, i.e. the Eastern Seaboard of the US, Verizon wins hands down in terms of coverage. However, I find that with a weak signal I can still make a call on Verizon's CDMA network and have people understand me. On GSM when the signal is low, people sound like they're underwater and it goes rapidly downhill from there.
CDMA is also more spectrum efficient. GSM's old standard was based on TDMA, which allocates time slices for each user. CDMA has them all transmitting at once which makes more efficient use of spectrum since they're really not taking turns like on CDMA. |
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| said by fifty nine:said by r81984:I do know that some cdma carriers in canada are planning to switch to gsm. My gsm phone gets signals where cdma does not. gsm has much more coverage than cdma in the us and goes through walls a lot better. Having to call people on verizon sucks when they are indoors. Obviously since you live in Canada you are unqualified to talk about what happens here in the US, so let me educate you. Fact - coverage has nothing to do with CDMA vs GSM. However, those on the Verizon network have substantially more coverage in many areas than those on AT&T or T-Mobile. Since Sprint users can roam on verizon, they have that too. In areas I primarily travel, i.e. the Eastern Seaboard of the US, Verizon wins hands down in terms of coverage. However, I find that with a weak signal I can still make a call on Verizon's CDMA network and have people understand me. On GSM when the signal is low, people sound like they're underwater and it goes rapidly downhill from there. CDMA is also more spectrum efficient. GSM's old standard was based on TDMA, which allocates time slices for each user. CDMA has them all transmitting at once which makes more efficient use of spectrum since they're really not taking turns like on CDMA. I live in the US, I am in Canada for 6 months for work.
Fact - GSM gets more coverage across the US, I know I have driven across the US many times.
Fact - weak signals are terrible on CDMA
Fact - when you are in a highly populated area CDMA calls quality drops because the tower lowers call quality to take on more calls.
Fact - GSM gets a much better connection in low signal.
Fact - GSM gets better coverage from New York all the way to florida ( I have driven it with both CDMA and GSM phones)
Fact - I have never had a call on my GSM phone sound like it is underwater. Now I know you are lying. This is possible on CDMA since the tower will lower quality as more people connect to the tower.
Fact - I have lived in Indiana, Louisiana, and Florida. I am in Canada for work. Sorry to ruin your Canada bashing fun.
In Canada the CDMA providers are looking into switching to GSM.
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1 edit | I've never called someone on AT&T that the call quality doesn't suck, or get dropped. Landlines/Voip/CDMA calls are crystal clear. I don't know which way you're driving, but I drive from The middle of WV to Orlando all the time and the only time I have less than 5 bars is going through the 2 mile tunnel into VA, and even then I DONT DROP THE CALL, when any passenger with me with ATT looses signal.
FACT- All you're facts are based on YOUR opinion.
Edit-Not to mention the GSM interference with any audio equipment when the phone is about to ring, or is processing a lot of data. |
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FACT: people who insist that their personal experience of a subject represents a complete, conclusive statement about the whole are not good sources of information.
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Try using CDMA in EU
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| said by M A R S:Try using CDMA in EU I live in America. I don't care about Europe.
In Europe they live closely packed together and GSM works fine for them there.
But here in America we live more spaced out, as a result GSM doesn't work as well here. |
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I have the same issue with ATT users. I have t-mobile (on GSM, btw) and I also notice the poor voice quality that ATT has.
My point?
The problem most idjits have with GSM call quality can be tied to their assuming that ATT = how all GSM sounds. |
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said by fifty nine:said by M A R S:Try using CDMA in EU I live in America. I don't care about Europe. In Europe they live closely packed together and GSM works fine for them there. But here in America we live more spaced out, as a result GSM doesn't work as well here. "In Europe they live closely packed" What? Humm, i guess all that open space and farms i saw were just in my dreams. I live more tightly packed here on Long Island.
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said by r81984:said by fifty nine:said by r81984:I do know that some cdma carriers in canada are planning to switch to gsm. My gsm phone gets signals where cdma does not. gsm has much more coverage than cdma in the us and goes through walls a lot better. Having to call people on verizon sucks when they are indoors. Obviously since you live in Canada you are unqualified to talk about what happens here in the US, so let me educate you. Fact - coverage has nothing to do with CDMA vs GSM. However, those on the Verizon network have substantially more coverage in many areas than those on AT&T or T-Mobile. Since Sprint users can roam on verizon, they have that too. In areas I primarily travel, i.e. the Eastern Seaboard of the US, Verizon wins hands down in terms of coverage. However, I find that with a weak signal I can still make a call on Verizon's CDMA network and have people understand me. On GSM when the signal is low, people sound like they're underwater and it goes rapidly downhill from there. CDMA is also more spectrum efficient. GSM's old standard was based on TDMA, which allocates time slices for each user. CDMA has them all transmitting at once which makes more efficient use of spectrum since they're really not taking turns like on CDMA. I live in the US, I am in Canada for 6 months for work. Fact - GSM gets more coverage across the US, I know I have driven across the US many times. Fact - weak signals are terrible on CDMA Fact - when you are in a highly populated area CDMA calls quality drops because the tower lowers call quality to take on more calls. Fact - GSM gets a much better connection in low signal. Fact - GSM gets better coverage from New York all the way to florida ( I have driven it with both CDMA and GSM phones) Fact - I have never had a call on my GSM phone sound like it is underwater. Now I know you are lying. This is possible on CDMA since the tower will lower quality as more people connect to the tower. Fact - I have lived in Indiana, Louisiana, and Florida. I am in Canada for work. Sorry to ruin your Canada bashing fun. In Canada the CDMA providers are looking into switching to GSM. Sorry but Verizon smokes T-mobile and AT&T out this way in terms of network availability. While others are struggling to keep a call stable in our building, my Storm handles it without incident. In fact I didn't even notice they were having problems until they mentioned it. |
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Every EU nation has a CDMA carrier, ever Russia has CDMA carriers. Stop talking out of your ass. SE Asia does as well, particularly Japan and Australia. |
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Interesting you say that.. I was at the Grand Canyon last year, and on the top my GSM phone(who ever I was roaming with at the time) didn't work.
However I saw a good number of people chatting away, so I can only assume they were using Verizon and/or a CDMA provider.
It really is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. I guess the advantage of GSM is that it's used in Europe and Asia. My phone is unlocked so I can swap sim cards very quickly.
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| said by elwoodblues:Interesting you say that.. I was at the Grand Canyon last year, and on the top my GSM phone(who ever I was roaming with at the time) didn't work. However I saw a good number of people chatting away, so I can only assume they were using Verizon and/or a CDMA provider. It really is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. I guess the advantage of GSM is that it's used in Europe and Asia. My phone is unlocked so I can swap sim cards very quickly. My understanding is that CDMA phones cannot be "unlocked" Was your phone 850 mhz and 1900 mhz GSM?
There are some GSM phones that do not work with both frequencies.
The map for CDMA for the grand canyon does not show any better coverage than GSM.
Anyways CDMA does not have better coverage than GSM. Now if you have a CDMA and AMPS phone then you would get better coverage than GSM.
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said by elwoodblues:Interesting you say that.. I was at the Grand Canyon last year, and on the top my GSM phone(who ever I was roaming with at the time) didn't work. However I saw a good number of people chatting away, so I can only assume they were using Verizon and/or a CDMA provider. Or that you didn't have a roaming agreement with the available GSM provider.
ATT does have roaming in parts of the grand canyon, TMO has a bit less coverage (although it may roam there also). Sprint is roaming CDMA there. Verizon has "coverage" in most parts (they don't differentiate between roaming and native coverage at all) - similar to ATT and Sprint (both of which are roaming anyways) .
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