NOCMan
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Government is government.
Lemme guess, they rolled in money anti counterfeiting to make it a state secret.
Once again corporations have more rights than citizens. For a president who prided himself on taking only money from people he sure is starting to act like he got it from somewhere else.
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imanogre
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Mcdonough, GA | I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. |
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Matt
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| said by imanogre  :I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA | I was an Obama supporter for about a month after he got elected, then I saw the parallels to the Bush administration and instantly lost hope.
Obama is just a smarter, more secretive Bush. A Bush-Nixon cross, if you will. |
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Stumbles
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Obama is nothing but a bought and paid for president. |
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manfmmd
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said by Matt :said by imanogre :I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" What exactly has he changed other than the size of the deficit? (rhetorical question) Dems LOVE to complain about government spending when not in power, only because they are the ones spending it.
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Kearnstd
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people should still leak stuff via anon channels because its not a vital secret. stuff that can effect copyright isnt exactly the plans to put a cloaking device on the B52......
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pnh102
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said by Matt :I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" What has 0bama actually changed?
He's still spending money we do not have, just like Bush.
He's still growing government, just like Bush.
He's dumping more taxpayer money into failed, formerly private companies, just like Bush.
He's still continuing most of the same alleged "violations" of civil liberties, just like Bush. Of course I have to use the quotation marks because many 0bama fanboys excuse these things now whereas when Bush was president they were screaming about being hauled off to the next gulag at a moment's notice.
Even in terms of foreign policy, he's continuing many Bush-era policies. I actually applaud some of the changes he's made in the war in Afghanistan. However, with regards to North Korea, he's doing nothing, just like Bush.
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Matt
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said by manfmmd :said by Matt :said by imanogre :I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" What exactly has he changed other than the size of the deficit? (rhetorical question) Dems LOVE to complain about government spending when not in power, only because they are the ones spending it. I'm never going to change your mind, but I'll humor you anyway:
»Re: Bill Maher On Obama
and believe me, I don't like this site I'm about to link to any more than you, but the points are extremely valid: »www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/2···603.html
The stage is being set for us to return to the forefront of science, technology, and education on the world stage. The changes that the news doesn't report going on with science, technology, and healthcare are the foundation for this change. So while you read about the horrible 1.5 trillion healthcare plan, many people fail to realize that's a paltry 150 billion a year to ensure healthcare for all. This lowers employers costs, puts more money in your pocket, and will push for preventative medicine rather than reactive medicine. It's better to not get sick in the first place than get sick and then try to fix it. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
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said by NOCMan :Government is government. Lemme guess, they rolled in money anti counterfeiting to make it a state secret. Once again corporations have more rights than citizens. For a president who prided himself on taking only money from people he sure is starting to act like he got it from somewhere else. Just had to open this can of worms? |
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pnh102
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said by Matt :The stage is being set for us to return to the forefront of science, technology, and education on the world stage. LOL. Using "An Inconvenient Truth" as a basis for environmental policy is pretty stupid, considering that the notion that humans are solely responsible for global "warming" is itself laughable and is certainly not settled science.
As for education, 0bama appointed the head of the failed Chicago Public School system to run the Department of Education, and the first thing he did was to end the DC school choice program and kick all of the DC students who were attending superior private schools back into the failed DC Public School system.
Hmm I guess that counts as change!
said by Matt :So while you read about the horrible 1.5 trillion healthcare plan, many people fail to realize that's a paltry 150 billion a year to ensure healthcare for all. If 0bama runs the healthcare system the same way he decided to close the various GM and Chrysler dealerships, then I suppose any savings on healthcare will come by denying it people who oppose him. Change indeed.
There is already ample proof that national socialist healthcare doesn't work (just ask someone who is on Medicare, is in need of a doctor, and can't cough up the cash to pay for supplemental insurance). We don't need to try it here just to be sure. While there are improvements that can be made to lower the price of private insurance, having the government take over the healthcare industry will just create a disaster.
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jester121
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said by Matt :I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything anything?" Fixed it for ya.  |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
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Obama IS about change. Instead of thinly sugar coating everything, he (along with his administration and partly congress) is dumping it on by the ton to ensure everything has a nice thick layer of sugar on top. Now I call that change.
also, fanboys will never not be fanboys. fanboys will always do what they do best, follow blindly to the end and beyond. |
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jester121
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a. There's nothing paltry about $150 billion.
b. If you claim to believe that that is the real price tag will be anything other than several multiples of $150 billion per year, you are being intellectually dishonest.
c. This won't do anything for employers except cause them to cancel their health plans and send employees to the government dole. So much for $150 billion... |
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DrModem
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said by Matt :I'm never going to change your mind, but I'll humor you anyway: » Re: Bill Maher On Obamaand believe me, I don't like this site I'm about to link to any more than you, but the points are extremely valid: » www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/2···603.htmlThe stage is being set for us to return to the forefront of science, technology, and education on the world stage. The changes that the news doesn't report going on with science, technology, and healthcare are the foundation for this change. So while you read about the horrible 1.5 trillion healthcare plan, many people fail to realize that's a paltry 150 billion a year to ensure healthcare for all. This lowers employers costs, puts more money in your pocket, and will push for preventative medicine rather than reactive medicine. It's better to not get sick in the first place than get sick and then try to fix it. Oooooooooooooooooooo
Talk.
HE SPOKE PEOPLE.
THAT PROVES E IS OUR SAVIOR BECAUSE HE TALKED. |
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manfmmd
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A minor point about the DC school choice stuff, he is allowing those in the program to finish, but new enrollment is being discontinued.
When it's working, change it.. |
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manfmmd
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Universal Healthcare, what a joke. There goes my tax bill. Not only are we going to be paying to insure, the rich, the young single adults, and those that choose to not get health insurance...we going to be paying to insure illegal aliens.
The 40 million uninsured will only grow when they realize that the tax payers will foot the bill for their health insurance. Corporations and small business alike will also realize this..then where are we, 250 - 300 million on the government dole?
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moonpuppy
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said by Stumbles :Obama is nothing but a bought and paid for president. Only the buyers are different.  |
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN
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Well, they are all (Obama, Hilary and McCain and any other politician that gets that far) controlled by the same hidden forces.
Google "secret bilderberg meeting "
and look who attended last years 2008 meeting in Virginia before the election |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | reply to pnh102
And 200 years from now pnh102 will still be bitching about Bush. give it a rest I am tired of the 8 years of vitriol we have heard from you clowns. |
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