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said by imanogre  :I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" |
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said by Matt :said by imanogre :I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" What exactly has he changed other than the size of the deficit? (rhetorical question) Dems LOVE to complain about government spending when not in power, only because they are the ones spending it.
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said by Matt :I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" What has 0bama actually changed?
He's still spending money we do not have, just like Bush.
He's still growing government, just like Bush.
He's dumping more taxpayer money into failed, formerly private companies, just like Bush.
He's still continuing most of the same alleged "violations" of civil liberties, just like Bush. Of course I have to use the quotation marks because many 0bama fanboys excuse these things now whereas when Bush was president they were screaming about being hauled off to the next gulag at a moment's notice.
Even in terms of foreign policy, he's continuing many Bush-era policies. I actually applaud some of the changes he's made in the war in Afghanistan. However, with regards to North Korea, he's doing nothing, just like Bush.
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said by manfmmd :said by Matt :said by imanogre :I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" What exactly has he changed other than the size of the deficit? (rhetorical question) Dems LOVE to complain about government spending when not in power, only because they are the ones spending it. I'm never going to change your mind, but I'll humor you anyway:
»Re: Bill Maher On Obama
and believe me, I don't like this site I'm about to link to any more than you, but the points are extremely valid: »www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/2···603.html
The stage is being set for us to return to the forefront of science, technology, and education on the world stage. The changes that the news doesn't report going on with science, technology, and healthcare are the foundation for this change. So while you read about the horrible 1.5 trillion healthcare plan, many people fail to realize that's a paltry 150 billion a year to ensure healthcare for all. This lowers employers costs, puts more money in your pocket, and will push for preventative medicine rather than reactive medicine. It's better to not get sick in the first place than get sick and then try to fix it. |
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| said by Matt :The stage is being set for us to return to the forefront of science, technology, and education on the world stage. LOL. Using "An Inconvenient Truth" as a basis for environmental policy is pretty stupid, considering that the notion that humans are solely responsible for global "warming" is itself laughable and is certainly not settled science.
As for education, 0bama appointed the head of the failed Chicago Public School system to run the Department of Education, and the first thing he did was to end the DC school choice program and kick all of the DC students who were attending superior private schools back into the failed DC Public School system.
Hmm I guess that counts as change!
said by Matt :So while you read about the horrible 1.5 trillion healthcare plan, many people fail to realize that's a paltry 150 billion a year to ensure healthcare for all. If 0bama runs the healthcare system the same way he decided to close the various GM and Chrysler dealerships, then I suppose any savings on healthcare will come by denying it people who oppose him. Change indeed.
There is already ample proof that national socialist healthcare doesn't work (just ask someone who is on Medicare, is in need of a doctor, and can't cough up the cash to pay for supplemental insurance). We don't need to try it here just to be sure. While there are improvements that can be made to lower the price of private insurance, having the government take over the healthcare industry will just create a disaster.
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said by Matt :I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything anything?" Fixed it for ya.  |
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a. There's nothing paltry about $150 billion.
b. If you claim to believe that that is the real price tag will be anything other than several multiples of $150 billion per year, you are being intellectually dishonest.
c. This won't do anything for employers except cause them to cancel their health plans and send employees to the government dole. So much for $150 billion... |
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said by Matt :I'm never going to change your mind, but I'll humor you anyway: » Re: Bill Maher On Obamaand believe me, I don't like this site I'm about to link to any more than you, but the points are extremely valid: » www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/2···603.htmlThe stage is being set for us to return to the forefront of science, technology, and education on the world stage. The changes that the news doesn't report going on with science, technology, and healthcare are the foundation for this change. So while you read about the horrible 1.5 trillion healthcare plan, many people fail to realize that's a paltry 150 billion a year to ensure healthcare for all. This lowers employers costs, puts more money in your pocket, and will push for preventative medicine rather than reactive medicine. It's better to not get sick in the first place than get sick and then try to fix it. Oooooooooooooooooooo
Talk.
HE SPOKE PEOPLE.
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A minor point about the DC school choice stuff, he is allowing those in the program to finish, but new enrollment is being discontinued.
When it's working, change it.. |
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Universal Healthcare, what a joke. There goes my tax bill. Not only are we going to be paying to insure, the rich, the young single adults, and those that choose to not get health insurance...we going to be paying to insure illegal aliens.
The 40 million uninsured will only grow when they realize that the tax payers will foot the bill for their health insurance. Corporations and small business alike will also realize this..then where are we, 250 - 300 million on the government dole?
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said by Stumbles :Obama is nothing but a bought and paid for president. Only the buyers are different.  |
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Well, they are all (Obama, Hilary and McCain and any other politician that gets that far) controlled by the same hidden forces.
Google "secret bilderberg meeting "
and look who attended last years 2008 meeting in Virginia before the election |
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And 200 years from now pnh102 will still be bitching about Bush. give it a rest I am tired of the 8 years of vitriol we have heard from you clowns. |
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said by pnh102 :There is already ample proof that national socialist healthcare doesn't work (just ask someone who is on Medicare, is in need of a doctor, and can't cough up the cash to pay for supplemental insurance). Or simply talk to any Canadian, or Frenchmen, or countless other people who are given "free" healthcare by their government. Sure, it might sound good (to those with little foresight) but when you are told you will need to wait 11 months for a doctor to treat your potentially terminal illness you might change you mind....
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said by manfmmd :A minor point about the DC school choice stuff, he is allowing those in the program to finish, but new enrollment is being discontinued. When it's working, change it.. I heard, it is nice to know that our dear leader can be so compassionate.
But then again, DC went 93% for 0bama so it is hard to really feel sorry for the people there.
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said by manfmmd :said by Matt :said by imanogre :I wonder how long until all the Obama fanboys start to realize Obama wasn't about change.... it's just more of the same with a different brand. I wonder how long until Obama opponents realize the word "change" doesn't mean "change everything?" What exactly has he changed other than the size of the deficit? (rhetorical question) Dems LOVE to complain about government spending when not in power, only because they are the ones spending it. The list is so long, it's staggering that you can't do a simple Google search to get it. It's not really worth wasting the time to post up a long list, go Google it (or bing, whatever).
For starters
[*]Closing Guantanamo bay
[*]Stem cell research boost
[*]Credit Card consumer protection laws
[*]Actually trying to end the war in Iraq, our biggest economy drain currently
Should I go on or do you need to check with Rush Limbaugh first so you can come back with more head talking points? LOL 
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said by jester121 :b. If you claim to believe that that is the real price tag will be anything other than several multiples of $150 billion per year, you are being intellectually dishonest. BINGO! The same exact claim was made about Medicare in the 1960s when it was first implemented. We'd be spending "only" $9 billion on it in 1990... LOL.
said by jester121 :c. This won't do anything for employers except cause them to cancel their health plans and send employees to the government dole. So much for $150 billion... Which is exactly what happened in Tennessee when they tried this in the 1990s. Hawaii recently scrapped a similar program because of this same exact problem.
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said by knightmb :For starters [*]Closing Guantanamo bay [*]Stem cell research boost [*]Credit Card consumer protection laws [*]Actually trying to end the war in Iraq, our biggest economy drain currently 1. Closing Guantanamo - You mean an executive order that doesn't have a plan nor funding? His administration has just over 7 months to complete it...But was about the prisoners? Oh, that's right, he wants to be able to hold them "indefinitely and without trial"
»online.wsj.com/article/SB1242232···765.html
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
I thought Obama was all about "The rule of law.." Or is that just cliche now?
2. Stem Cell Research - Embryonic stem cell research, although it may hold cures for disease which is yet to be seen, should be funded by the private sector, not the federal government.
3. Credit Card Consumer Protection Laws - On this point I agree and it is good legislation.
4. Iraq War - He's not trying to end it any faster or more logically that the previous administration..He's using the same mantra with "I'm listening to the Generals on the ground...". He is forcing Iraq's hand a bit by setting a timeline for withdrawl. A Republican administration in 2009 would have gone along with, although not 100%, most of the plan for withdrawl when the time was right. I fear we are leaving a void that cannot be completely filled by the existing Iraqi security forces...If they fill the void just fine, remind me and I'll come back and say they were right about setting a timeline..
If you care, we can go into his utter failures:
•Apology Tour 2009
•Venezuela
•Cuba
•North Korea
•Iran
•GM
•Multi-trillion $ deficits (quadrupling what Bush had done in 8 years in just 4 months)
•Government forcing banks that do not need TARP money to take it.
•Continuing the "illegal wiretapping"
•Lack of promised transparency
The list is so long, it's staggering that you can't do a simple Google search to get it. It's not really worth wasting the time to post up a long list, go Google it (or bing, whatever).
Should I go on or do you need to check with the DailyKOS first so you can come back with more head talking points? LOL :P
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