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"The proposal calls for Verizon's Ohio operations, with about 435,000 residential customers in 77 counties, to be transferred to Frontier, which serves 480 residential customers in a small portion of Williams County"
So according to the tool that wrote the story Frontier is just a tiny company that only servers 480 residential customers. I found a fact sheet online that states they have over 2.3 Million lines. A half a million lines is still a big chunk to take over but the storyteller could at least tell the whole story.
I don't really care about Frontier or Verizon as I am not a customer of either company nor do I live or work in their service areas (Except for VZW). |
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JSRoman
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Callahan, FL | "480 residential customers in a small portion of Williams County."
Try reading it again.
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Frontier would go from 2.3 million lines to 4.8 million phone lines and 1 million broadband connections. »money.aol.com/article/verizon-fr···l/479784
Certainly a big increase. But nothing like the distortion in the story of going from 480 to 435,000 in 1 state.
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battleop
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Yep, That's exactly the way I read it. The story is written to make them sound as small as possible. |
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1 edit | I think you're being defensive for whatever reason, misreading the article -- or something. It clearly highlights that this is just Ohio. That's a massive jump, from 480 users in part of one county to nearly half-a-million in close to 77 counties. That's just one state. Whether Frontier can handle that kind of growth is a legitimate question. From what I've seen, they can barely handle delivering more than 3Mbps worth of connectivity to the customers they do have. |
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battleop
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| To the average Joe Blow it sounds like some small company with only 480 customers is getting ready to jump to almost 500,000 customers. There is no doubt that they suck, but the story is misleading to the uneducated cowsumer.
I made my statement to point out how the numbers were skewed not to point out their ability or inability to take over the customers. |
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said by TKJunkMail  :Frontier would go from 2.3 million lines to 4.8 million phone lines and 1 million broadband connections. » money.aol.com/article/verizon-fr···l/479784Certainly a big increase. But nothing like the distortion in the story of going from 480 to 435,000 in 1 state. Where is the distortion in the news piece? Do you and others just skim by a few lines, and not read the entire the news piece. He pointed out 1 county in ohio having only 480 customers, to getting nearly 500k subs, close to 77 counties.
my son told me a great line. /facepalm lol
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JSRoman
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I think we are looking at different articles.
It looks to me that Frontier currently only has 480 subs in that area of Ohio. If they take over area from VZ their sub count would jump to 435k subs. That is 90,000% percent increase in subs not to mention the mountain of debt that come with that purchase.
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There is no doubt that they suck, but the story is misleading to the uneducated cowsumer. If the "uneducated cowsumer" can't read the headline highlighting the story's from Ohio, the repeated references within the story to the fact this is just concerning "Verizon's operations in Ohio," then I don't know what we can do for them. The article should have probably stated Fairpoint's total numbers, but I think you confuse omission with intentional maliciousness. I've added the transfer totals (including employees) to the first paragraph of our breakdown in order to protect readers from the supposed viciousness of the Columbus Dispatch. |
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battleop
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Is there some wall around the state of Ohio that would not allow them to draw from resources that are out side of the state? |
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Frontier would go from 2.3 million lines to 4.8 million phone lines and 1 million broadband connections. Actually, it's taking 2.3 million lines and adding 4.8 million more lines and 1 million broadband connections, not totaling 4.8 million phone lines.
Huge, huge growth for a fairly small operator.
"With more than 7 million access lines in 27 states, we will be the largest provider of voice, broadband and video services focused on rural to smaller city markets in the United States," the CEO announced back when the deal dropped. |
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battleop
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I am not referring to anything you wrote, as most people here would understand that they are a multi-state company. I would consider the over whelming majority of BBR to be above average and would understand that they have more than 480 customers.
To the Average Joe Shmuck it sounds like some tiny company is going to take over their phone service and it that their phone service will probably get cut off. |
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JSRoman
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The wall is the giantic debt that comes with the acquisition of those subs. Yes they are getting paying customers but from what has been the track record with these deals the benefit goes to seller and not buyer or customers who are sold.
These areas are between a rock and a hardplace. Either the stay with VZ and get forgotten or the get purchased by a smaller carrier and have a chance of being screwed by bad service and no upgrades.
Good luck to Frontier refinanacing that debt in the future.
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Per the barely being able to take 3Mbps, might I add that out in Rochester NY, and in a few places around the US Frontier has people running off of 6Mbps and 10Mbps speeds that hold reliably. I'm almost positive that Frontier isn't having issues holding the higher speeds since they've been doing a bunch of upgrades to their networks, and that story was caused by someone looking to save some money, thus getting their speed turned down. Frontier actually used to offer 6Mbps in my area to Residents (which they removed as a choice a year ago), but since they had run out of bandwidth several months ago and brought more in, they only offer 6Mbps to businesses right now in my area. A Frontier tech at the CO though did tip me off that they are installing some new equipment/DSLAMS at the CO, and thanks to the huge amount of bandwidth the CO now has after boosting their fiber line, they may be setting up my area for 6+Mbps very soon to residents. The same tech also stated that he'd allow me to try out my line at the fastest sync rate it can hold (looking to be at roughly 6Mbps, higher with ADSL2+) once they finish upgrading things in my area to help them test things out rather than just allowing people to get it and sitting back to see what happens. The tech knows that I'm one of the heaviest users that Frontier has in the area who knows a lot about these things, so he sees it as a good thing to set me higher and hammer the connection.
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battleop
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"I think you confuse omission with intentional maliciousnes"
I don't think there is anything intentional, it's a case of another reporter who does not understand anything about what they are reporting on. Similar to a sports reporter trying to report on a medical story. |
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battleop
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"chance of being screwed by bad service and no upgrades."
If Verizon is trying to dump them they are probably already there. |
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said by battleop :Is there some wall around the state of Ohio that would not allow them to draw from resources that are out side of the state? Not walls, but I believe telcos usually operate as distinct business entities within a state for regulatory reasons. Someone feel free to correct me. What the public sees is the parent company. There wouldn't be anything to say that resources from the parent company, but the amount of regulatory and administrative overhead going from a few hundred customers to a few hundred thousands customers is quite a jump, more then just what simply drawing in their existing resources may be able to give them.
Personally I think all states involved should do as Ohio is doing. Maybe not necessarily suspend the approval, but definitely investigate what Frontier can handle, what their plan is for transitioning and future management too. |
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S_engineer
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Chicago, IL | reply to Karl Bode
hey karl, hit the link I posted on top, and see If I'm right about Frontier taking over regardless of this suspension.
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Karl Bode
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1 edit | I think you're right. I'll add that to the writeup...thank you....
Going to fling the wording at a municipal attorney I know to confirm..... |
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said by S_engineer :hey karl, hit the link I posted on top, and see If I'm right about Frontier taking over regardless of this suspension. That isn't the way I read that info. The suspension stops the automatic 30 day clock. And the 30 day clock won't resume UNTIL the suspension is lifted. The suspension WAS an order issued before the 30 day clock expired.
If the commission had not issued the suspension(or a denial), then the merger would have been approved automatically on June 29.
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