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Re: Jammie Thomas loses to RIAA in retrial of infringement case

The extortion and greed reaches new bounds with this one. $1.92M for ZERO proven lost revenues is insane, especially when they never proved a single song was downloaded by anyone other than the copyright holder or an agent of the copyright holder.

Again, the copyright law clearly says that DISTRIBUTION is required for infringement to occur. In this case NO PROOF of distribution was provided. The entire judgement is based on the assumption that distribution occurred. $1.92B based on an unproved assumption. Quite incredible.

The endless criminality of the RIAA racketeers is ignored while their bribery of Congress that results in such outrageous awards is rewarded.

Just goes to show once again, there is no justice so long as Corporations are writing our laws through proxy whores in Washington.

Meanwhile like the birthday case, all this will do is piss people off. The RIAA will not see a dime and all their zillions they spend on lawyers did nothing but buy them bad press.
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said by Bit:

Again, the copyright law clearly says that DISTRIBUTION is required for infringement to occur. In this case NO PROOF of distribution was provided. The entire judgement is based on the assumption that distribution occurred.
They proved distribution occurred. The defense claimed they couldn't prove it was Jammie that did the distribution though. But the plaintiffs offered plenty of evidence it was her and not someone else in her house like she claimed in this trial. She tried to blame her ex-husband. The jury didn't buy it and felt she lied thru her teeth.

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···liar.ars

Reynolds' main task was to show that the evidence did in fact point to Thomas-Rasset and not just to her machine. He did so using the following arguments.


Tereastarr. Sure, her family might have known the name, but Thomas-Rasset had used it exclusively as her online username for more than a decade, and for "absolutely everything." Her contention that the name was known to others and might have been used by them contradicted sworn deposition testimony, said Reynolds, that no one else used that name.

The first ex. Yesterday, Thomas-Rasset identified her ex-husband, Justin Gervais, as someone who liked much of the music in the share folder and as someone who spent several week-long stints at the house in late 2004 doing babysitting while Thomas-Rasset was away for work. Reynolds asked if it was credible that after a 2004 breakup, Gervais would then use a computer he rarely accessed, in the bedroom of his ex-wife, to download more than 1,700 songs? And Thomas-Rasset testified that she had never seen him listen to music on the computer and never seen him use KaZaA.

The hard drive. This issue was the "ultimate misdirection" in the case, said Reynolds. Thomas-Rasset had said many times under oath that the drive she turned over to the RIAA and to her own investigator was the one in the computer at the time of the alleged infringement. This was false (as she was forced to admit on the stand)... and Thomas-Rasset only changed her story after her own expert had some doubts, went back to the drive, and found a sticker saying it had been manufactured in 2005.

The second ex. This was the most important claim. Ex-boyfriend Kevin Havemeier was dating Thomas-Rasset in early 2005, when the alleged infringement was detected. Most of his testimony on the stand was confused; he couldn't remember his dates, but one thing he remembered clearly (and had been consistent on through both trials and his deposition) involved the hard drive. When Thomas-Rasset received a notice about a potential action against her, Havemeier told her that investigators wouldn't find anything, since she had replaced the hard drive in March 2005. He told her this before she turned the drive over to investigators, before she claimed that it was the correct drive, and before she swore in depositions that it had been replaced in 2004. In other words, Thomas-Rasset knew exactly what she was doing when handing over the wrong hard drive. Thomas-Rasset simply says that Havemeier is lying or incorrect on this point.

Napster. Thomas-Rasset had used Napster for a college course and had written a paper on it, arguing that it was legal. She also admitted that she followed the court case that shut Napster down and knew that it was not legal. Given her knowledge and experience with file-sharing, her claim never to have heard of KaZaA and never to have downloaded files might seem suspect.
The defense agreed that distribution occurred. But tried to blame someone else in the house. That defense didn't work.
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Wrong it was NEVER proved. Only the copyright holder's agent downloaded the songs. Kazaa didn't keep records of transfers. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the RIAA to determine or prove distribution occurred. The RIAA lawyers said it was only logical that distribution occurred because that is why Kazaa existed.

»www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art···98TC2401

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Although the plaintiffs weren't able to prove that anyone but MediaSentry downloaded songs off her computer because Kazaa kept no such records, Reynolds told the jury it's only logical that many users had downloaded songs offered through her computer because that's what Kazaa was there for.
Making available is not infringement and I have ABSOLUTELY had shared items in Kazaa back in the day that NEVER saw a single upload.

said by Judge Wake in his ruling that making available is not infringement :
"The court agrees with the great weight of authority that section 106(3) is not violated unless the defendant has actually distributed an unauthorized copy of the work to a member of the public," wrote the judge in his order. "Merely making an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work available to the public does not violate a copyright holder's exclusive right of distribution."
»news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9932004-7.html

There was no proof anyone other than the copyright holder's agent downloaded the songs. Zero, zilch, nada, none.

This jury awarded $2M on an assumption. There wasn't even anything close to a preponderance of evidence showing anyone downloaded songs from her which is REQUIRED for any award.

At no time was distribution proved to have occurred.
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fAcEtIOUs
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said by Bit:

There was no proof anyone other than the copyright holder's agent downloaded the songs.
Guess what? The copyright holder's agent is legally a member of the public. So it was distributed.
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You just know TK popped a chubby when he saw the news.


mcd

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said by digitalfreak:

You just know TK popped a chubby when he saw the news.
I lol'd.

This really gets him/her off I noticed.


Bit
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said by fAcEtIOUs:

said by Bit:

There was no proof anyone other than the copyright holder's agent downloaded the songs.
Guess what? The copyright holder's agent is legally a member of the public. So it was distributed.
Guess what, not according to Judge Wake they aren't. Copyright holders can not infringe on their own work. Their agent is authorized to obtain a copy of the work via P2P otherwise they are also in violation of Title 17 soon as they copy it. Can't have it both ways TK.
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Re: Jammie Thomas loses to RIAA in retrial of infringement case

said by Bit:

In this case NO PROOF of distribution was provided. The entire judgement is based on the assumption that distribution occurred. $1.92B based on an unproved assumption. Quite incredible.
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"Unproved assumption"! Hello??? Ever heard of the OJ Simpson trial? Who needs proof of any crime for conviction (or vise versa) when you have a jury of "a moron's" peers? (unlike peers of the accused). Why be shocked? It's tough to find 12 intelligent people in one room at the same time these days.


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So you're saying Liam and TK have the SAME chubby?


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