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k1ll3rdr4g0n
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said by cbrigante2  :Not trying to start a fanboy war here, but a couple of follow up questions that we should answer. 1. Microsoft doesn't "bend over backwards" because...yes...they don't actually make a cell phone, only an OS. How are you touting a piece of hardware that doesn't exist? My cell phone does indeed exist. Sure, Microsoft didn't make the hardware, they do indeed make the OS. The carrier has every ability to goto Microsoft or any third party developer and say "Hey, can you keep the bandwidth down, please?". But, doesn't mean that they have to listen.
said by cbrigante2 :2. Apple disabled MMS? Apple said no to Sling on 3G? No, those were network carrier choices, and iPhones on other networks can take advantage of those features. They were still coordinated with Apple. Sure, MMS is disabled on AT&T's side, but Apple still could have said "Look, AT&T, give our customers MMS now or cut the monthly price or we will develop our own MMS solution". No, instead Apple is just giving the customers the short end of the stick. And about no Sling on 3G, like I said Apple had EVERY RIGHT to sit there and tell AT&T to eff off. Even if it does say some stipulation about "high bandwidth" apps, it's not disabled on ANY OTHER DEVICE so why should it be disabled on the iPhone?
said by cbrigante2 :3. A lot of complaining on this site about iPhone users "whining". What is the install number for iPhone users vs. every other user on AT&T wireless at this point? I believe they are the single largest installed base on the network, so shouldn't they have a bit louder voice with AT&T? I am pretty sure that the # of iPhone users < # of other users.
In fact to prove you wrong -
»www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4···id=21833
This was 2 years before the iPhone even came into existence and when they were Cingular (you can try to find a more recent report, but I am sure that it will show that AT&T had more subscribers than iPhones):
51.442 million
Number of iPhone units out there:
(Src wikipedia)
21.17 million
(Also a % are on other carriers so you have to take that into account also)
Next time please research some numbers and sources before you start typing.
said by cbrigante2 :Again, not looking to start a flame war but this iPhone hate (because it's "hip" to hate on the iPhone now) is getting old. It was old when it was hip to hate on WinMo6 back when I had it as well. I don't "hate" the iPhone, I think it's a wonder piece of technology...but Apple had their chance to make it "innovative" and failed. I don't get why people are praising Apple when they didn't get it right. Apple is supposed to be this "technological" and "innovative" company paving the way for the future? Well, why didn't they start the iPhone off right then? From version 1 it should have had ALL these features that they are just putting in now. Sure, WM may not have been perfect to start with, but Microsoft isn't smug about their products. And if they are, they have good reason to be. XP is, was, and will always be in my opinion the best operating system out there want to prove me wrong with Mac OS? Anything you can do on the Mac you can do on Windows and visa versa I really don't get why people feel the need to worship a Unix based operating system. Sure, Unix is great and all - but why don't you just use Linux?
I have never walked into an Apple store, nor do I plan too, but I can only guess the atmosphere that everything has to be Apple...even though they are using PC parts in their computers! Hell, they even promote running Windows on a Mac...why wont they promote running Mac under Windows? It's that kind of childish behavior that really just pushes my buttons.
said by cbrigante2 :Would it really be awful if iPhone users actually got AT&T to make some concessions that were pro consumer? I never said it was. They can whine all they want I don't care...the only type of person who I know that would whine about something like that would be a child who doesn't know what a contract is. They signed a contract, they bought a phone cheaper than retail due to signing a contract. If they want to whine and complain that they signed a contract, then go for it. So, they get the next gen iPhone for a price cut, let the children have their toys. I would never whine about something like that because I understand the terms of my contract. If AT&T would let me buy the Touch Pro 2 for a price cut, that would be cool but I wouldn't ever complain like a little child about it. | |
cbrigante2
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| Thanks for doing the research for me.
How do you know Apple "could have said give it to us" in reference to MMS? Do you have some research to prove that out or did you just type it up?
Just looking at those numbers is a little misleading. You are looking at total subscribers vs. data plan users on smart phones. Of the smart phone user base with AT&T, even if I only took half of the 21.17 million units out there, I would like to see how that compares with all the other AT&T smart phones combined.
Not going to get into an OS debate about OSX vs. XP since it never goes anywhere. I like both of them for what they do. Not walking into an Apple store because of how they advertise? I'll leave that one to you. It's your choice. It just seems that some of your opinions were already stacked against Apple based on what you describe, but I could be reading too much into it.
I've had both WinMo and iPhone and prefer iPhone greatly. I'm not really whining about much, but it would seem the tech sites seem to be doing most of the whining anyways. Most end users (of any phone) don't know 1/2 the stuff you can do with them to begin with. | |
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I've used WinMo 5, 6, and 6.1. You can keep it. I'm very happy with my extremely enterprise capable iPhone. Syncing my email, contacts, calendar, and tasks over-the-air with my Exchange server works just as well as it did on my WinMo phones. Probably because Apple licensed the exact same ActiveSync technology as your WinMo phone for the iPhone. | |
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said by cbrigante2 :How do you know Apple "could have said give it to us" in reference to MMS? Do you have some research to prove that out or did you just type it up? They made an OS for a phone did they not? If you can make an OS, I would be pretty sure you could create a simple feature like copy and paste. Unless, of course, I think of copy and paste as too simple?
said by cbrigante2 :Not going to get into an OS debate about OSX vs. XP since it never goes anywhere. I like both of them for what they do. Not walking into an Apple store because of how they advertise? I'll leave that one to you. It's your choice. It just seems that some of your opinions were already stacked against Apple based on what you describe, but I could be reading too much into it. They blatantly LIE and mislead in their advertisements. They basically make Windows look like this useless OS that crashes, has lots of viruses and just general problems. Where I work, the number of Macs is greater than the number of PCs, but I just find more problems with Mac OS than any other OS...and the frustrating part is that they aren't as easy to troubleshoot as in Linux or Windows because everything seems to be encoded or Apple proprietary. With Windows there is the registry, as fragile as it is - I almost never seen a registry corruption in my day even after removing malware. With Linux everything is a script file in plain text.
I'm sorry, I can't get behind a company that has to take pot shots just to get a piece of the market share.
said by cbrigante2 :I've had both WinMo and iPhone and prefer iPhone greatly. I'm not really whining about much, but it would seem the tech sites seem to be doing most of the whining anyways. Most end users (of any phone) don't know 1/2 the stuff you can do with them to begin with. Then why did you buy the device in the first place? In my opinion if you buy a device and not willing to learn how to use it, you shouldn't be allowed to use it. Like a firewall, if you don't learn to configure it doesn't do you any good.
At my last job a guy actually came down to our office and was like "I bought this Mac for my daughter and I have no idea how to use it". My supervisor showed him some basic stuff, but still I think that is just irresponsibility on the part of the consumer of not learning how to use the computer or device. | |
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| Well again, not looking to get into a OS flame war but you will see advertising "lies" from both camps if you're looking for them. Apple isn't alone in this practice.
I don't have any Apple OS where I work (aside from iPhone) but I will agree that Windows is better than it used to be.
I bought the device because it works better than WinMo for my needs. Sorry I wasn't clear in my original post. Learning how to use it is much easier on the iPhone side IMO. I have WinMo users who don't know 1/2 the features of the phone as well, but I'm not willing to chalk that up to MS just as much as I wouldn't chalk it up to Apple on the iPhone side. | |
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| said by cbrigante2 :Well again, not looking to get into a OS flame war but you will see advertising "lies" from both camps if you're looking for them. Apple isn't alone in this practice. I don't have any Apple OS where I work (aside from iPhone) but I will agree that Windows is better than it used to be. I bought the device because it works better than WinMo for my needs. Sorry I wasn't clear in my original post. Learning how to use it is much easier on the iPhone side IMO. I have WinMo users who don't know 1/2 the features of the phone as well, but I'm not willing to chalk that up to MS just as much as I wouldn't chalk it up to Apple on the iPhone side. I think that's great that you use it for a better productive day (not being sarcastic there, I think you should use whatever you want/need to get the job done at the end of the day) and not just because "it looks cool". "Looking cool" doesn't pay the bills  .
Sorry if I am a little hostile but, I just can't stand people who are like "ohhh look at me I have a Mac I am so much better" especially when I hear the Windows boot up sound in the background - just doesn't make sense to me. I have meet plenty of people like that, in fact my supervisor will even try to upsell Mac's to everyone he can - even though he is switching back to a PC himself. I am not saying you are like that kind of person at all. Just saying some people are...it's just a Unix OS people! | |
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