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 luster
join:2009-03-28
Berlin, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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Re: Go Ahead, Verizon, Make My Day (seriously) Sprint & Time-Warner both completely eliminated NNTP protocol from their ISP offering. Verizon merely castrated it leaving 8 varieties of newsgroups.
This incident took place in June/July of 2008 after NY's atty gen'l said his taskforce had found, what they considered, childporn in 88 of the over 85,000 newsgroups on Usenet. The ISPs chose to deal with this by totally removing the NNTP protocol or, as Vz did, removing 95% of it, good and bad alike.
My monthly bill did not go down one cent after this, even though Vz cut what amounts to, 30% of my service. The FCC has yet to reply to my complaint.., guess they agree with the ISPs. The providers were able to get away with this because most people didn't know they were paying for Usenet service in their ISP bundle.
That's what protocol and incident, funchords.
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Okay. To be clear, they didn't eliminate the NNTP protocol on their services, they removed their own hosted NNTP servers. You can still reach services managed by others and the ISP does not interfere with that. That is, at least, my understanding.
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luster
join:2009-03-28
Berlin, MD Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Robb,
Your understanding is correct but, the two points that I'd hoped to make seem to have flown clearly over most heads.
First, Vz swats a gnat w/a 10lb sledge and in the process blatantly pares a huge chunk of their bundled internet service package from all 8+meg of their customers. And, no one, not even the FCC or MD PSC, seems to be alarmed at losing it! Well, I sure as hell am! Not only do I lose but, Vz also gains back that much network bandwidth and reduces costs in the data center to boot... Touche` Mr. businessman in bed with the lawman!
Second point is this Vz clown spouting off the likes of, "We like the wild, wild net. And, embrace every opportunity for bringing it to our customers who want it." Say what..fool? After you've just cut the "wild, wild" out of your service offering? You expect me to believe that horseshit, pal?
Anyway, Robb, this sums up what my original post was driving at.
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by luster:First, Vz swats a gnat w/a 10lb sledge and in the process blatantly pares a huge chunk of their bundled internet service package from all 8+meg of their customers. And, no one, not even the FCC or MD PSC, seems to be alarmed at losing it! Well, I sure as hell am! Not only do I lose but, Vz also gains back that much network bandwidth and reduces costs in the data center to boot... Touche` Mr. businessman in bed with the lawman! Hi Ken,
I feel your pain, but there are a couple of realities here that make it impossible for the FCC or a PSC to care:
1. Running a usenet server is a non-essential, value-added service. VZ's network must support NNTP (or any other IP-based protocol), but Verizon doesn't need to run a server.
2. FCC's regulatory claim on broadband is weaker based on its status as an "Information Service" rather than "Common Carrier." When Verizon shuts down or trims back one of the components that make it an "Information Service" (examples: usenet server, email server, even DNS server falls here), it creates this situation where the matter at hand has nothing to do with carriage.
But as a consumer, I do wish that our ISPs would continue the age-old tradition of representing the Internet ecosystem to external pressures like the NY AG. Stand up to them, please! What Verizon did here was wrong -- there's just nothing we can do about it because it's this non-essential, value-added part and not the primary communication service.
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