[Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Differenc in Filesharing Software http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22577243 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:59:15 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:59:15 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22618394 ophelus :
said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

said by darcilicious See Profile :

NZB files aren't going anywhere :)
not as of right now, but things change, and alls im saying is be prepared when/if it does..
What kind of usenet'er would not be prepared for change??

We used to have download headers.. (obviously some still do..) we used to not have PAR's where we would have to beg the poster for a repaired file.. way back in the day I believe we didn't have MIME or PNG ;)

Things have been advancing nicely as far as I'm concerned.. newsleecher, par and rar auto extraction and NZB are all breakthroughs not to mention Newzbin catching 70-80% and saving much time on your life for data collection..

Even if newzbin dies.. I don't think NZB is going away.. seems well entrenched by posters.. and posters make usenet what it is.. if it does go away it will have to be replaced by a better system..

As for the idea of a "Fear" sell on filesharing via usenet ending.. I'll take a pass on that.. your welcome to think what you like..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22618394 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:43:36 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22609839 Inflex :
said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

the nzb standard might go away

A defined standard for the content and formatting of a text file might go away?

I'll go out on a limb here and say 'never'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22609839 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:15:39 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607012 imtim83 :
said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

said by darcilicious See Profile :

NZB files aren't going anywhere :)
not as of right now, but things change, and alls im saying is be prepared when/if it does..
Exactly always have a plan A and B!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607012 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:17:26 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607008 imtim83 :
said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

said by ophelus See Profile :

said by imtim83 See Profile :

When I first learned usenet I did everything the old fashion way. It really isn't that difficult if you know what your doing, like you said. Quite fun actually. If all the free nzb sites or even all of them disapppeared I don't think it would be that big of a deal. I just go back to the old fashion way!
Yah, but old fashion way = more work.. I embrace things that make it quick.. we can't go back to the old fashion way.. it's travelling backwards.. but we could use newsgroups to create.. NZB's only.. which probably exist I just haven't looked at e'm.. (not probably heavily used at this time either)
you better learn the old way, only time will tell when nzb sites go away..
And it not learning backwards, its learning how to do it the correct way..
Yep. It was how usenet was meant to be used that way not everyone and their brother knows how to do it. The more attention a file sharing method gets the worst it is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607008 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:16:48 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604773 darcilicious :
said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

What i mean is that the old way of using headers and sorting for your self and not using nzbs..
I know exactly what you mean by by using headers and sorting through them manually. I've been using Usenet off and on since 1986.

Your "might" statements regarding nzb and torrent *files* seem to be more FUD-oriented than anything else. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604773 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:41:40 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604693 EvilByDesire :
said by darcilicious See Profile :

said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

said by darcilicious See Profile :

NZB files aren't going anywhere :)
not as of right now, but things change, and alls im saying is be prepared when/if it does..
You've heard of nzb newsgroups, right? If so, WHY do you think those will disappear? They are (or could be) entirely independent of any "nzb website"...
i know exactly what a nzb group is, the nzb standard might go away just like torrents might..

What i mean is that the old way of using headers and sorting for your self and not using nzbs..
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said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

said by darcilicious See Profile :

NZB files aren't going anywhere :)
not as of right now, but things change, and alls im saying is be prepared when/if it does..
You've heard of nzb newsgroups, right? If so, WHY do you think those will disappear? They are (or could be) entirely independent of any "nzb website"...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604671 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:23:39 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604584 EvilByDesire :
said by darcilicious See Profile :

NZB files aren't going anywhere :)
not as of right now, but things change, and alls im saying is be prepared when/if it does..
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said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

you better learn the old way, only time will tell when nzb sites go away..
But nzb groups will never die! Bwahahahaha :D

And it not learning backwards, its learning how to do it the correct old skool way..
NZB files aren't going anywhere :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604493 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:53:19 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604467 EvilByDesire :
said by ophelus See Profile :

said by imtim83 See Profile :

When I first learned usenet I did everything the old fashion way. It really isn't that difficult if you know what your doing, like you said. Quite fun actually. If all the free nzb sites or even all of them disapppeared I don't think it would be that big of a deal. I just go back to the old fashion way!
Yah, but old fashion way = more work.. I embrace things that make it quick.. we can't go back to the old fashion way.. it's travelling backwards.. but we could use newsgroups to create.. NZB's only.. which probably exist I just haven't looked at e'm.. (not probably heavily used at this time either)
you better learn the old way, only time will tell when nzb sites go away..
And it not learning backwards, its learning how to do it the correct way..
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said by imtim83 See Profile :

When I first learned usenet I did everything the old fashion way. It really isn't that difficult if you know what your doing, like you said. Quite fun actually. If all the free nzb sites or even all of them disapppeared I don't think it would be that big of a deal. I just go back to the old fashion way!
Yah, but old fashion way = more work.. I embrace things that make it quick.. we can't go back to the old fashion way.. it's travelling backwards.. but we could use newsgroups to create.. NZB's only.. which probably exist I just haven't looked at e'm.. (not probably heavily used at this time either)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22604167 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:02:12 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22603487 imtim83 :
said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

said by ophelus See Profile :

said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

if you become a editor your credit days wont go down, they go up.. thats your reward for making reports
What are you saying you don't have to meet a quota or something?
i dunno i dont have a newzbin account anymore, they are useless if you know what your doing
When I first learned usenet I did everything the old fashion way. It really isn't that difficult if you know what your doing, like you said. Quite fun actually. If all the free nzb sites or even all of them disapppeared I don't think it would be that big of a deal. I just go back to the old fashion way! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22603487 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:20:56 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22603461 EvilByDesire :
said by ophelus See Profile :

said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

if you become a editor your credit days wont go down, they go up.. thats your reward for making reports
What are you saying you don't have to meet a quota or something?
i dunno i dont have a newzbin account anymore, they are useless if you know what your doing
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does anyone know what source provider they are using to index the headers ?
and, as a comment, making SuperSearch and NewsLeecher work without having to buy and pay for it is quite easy, but following the forum rules, i have to plead the 5th here.
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said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

if you become a editor your credit days wont go down, they go up.. thats your reward for making reports
What are you saying you don't have to meet a quota or something?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598827 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:44:46 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598728 EvilByDesire : if you become a editor your credit days wont go down, they go up.. thats your reward for making reports
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said by EvilByDesire See Profile :

ya just apply to be a editor, then it will be YOUR job to make the reports for everyone else..
That doesn't sound like fun.. ;) I just think there should be a user based submit.. simple..

said by swintec See Profile :

Thats a good point...unfortunately, I do not have a full paid account at Newzbin so I don't have that ability. :(
You cheap bastard ;) it's only like $1.50 a month if you buy at christmas time.. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598530 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:58:56 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597622 EvilByDesire :
said by Inflex See Profile :

said by ophelus See Profile :

said by swintec See Profile :

So Newzbin may be better....but the downside to that is, the reports are compiled and edited by humans, so there is a great deal they miss..especially with the larger groups.
I'm not sure what you’re talking about.. it's my understanding RAW mode is just like searching millions of headers.. lately I've had to go to raw mode a few times with Newzbin cause it usually only hits 70% or 80% whatever their claim numbers is these days

It really is stupid that newzbin doesn't let users report un-indexed posts for the good of everyone.. ahh well maybe they'll be replaced if they lose their court case..
Just apply to be an editor.
ya just apply to be a editor, then it will be YOUR job to make the reports for everyone else..
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said by ophelus See Profile :

said by swintec See Profile :

So Newzbin may be better....but the downside to that is, the reports are compiled and edited by humans, so there is a great deal they miss..especially with the larger groups.
I'm not sure what you’re talking about.. it's my understanding RAW mode is just like searching millions of headers.. lately I've had to go to raw mode a few times with Newzbin cause it usually only hits 70% or 80% whatever their claim numbers is these days

It really is stupid that newzbin doesn't let users report un-indexed posts for the good of everyone.. ahh well maybe they'll be replaced if they lose their court case..
Just apply to be an editor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597599 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:42:37 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22596126 swintec :
said by ophelus See Profile :

I'm not sure what you’re talking about.. it's my understanding RAW mode is just like searching millions of headers..
Thats a good point...unfortunately, I do not have a full paid account at Newzbin so I don't have that ability. :(
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said by swintec See Profile :

So Newzbin may be better....but the downside to that is, the reports are compiled and edited by humans, so there is a great deal they miss..especially with the larger groups.
I'm not sure what you’re talking about.. it's my understanding RAW mode is just like searching millions of headers.. lately I've had to go to raw mode a few times with Newzbin cause it usually only hits 70% or 80% whatever their claim numbers is these days

It really is stupid that newzbin doesn't let users report un-indexed posts for the good of everyone.. ahh well maybe they'll be replaced if they lose their court case..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22595006 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:48:39 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22587520 fonzbear2000 :
said by ginn7 :

sounds like a reasonable explanation.

So any suggestions on why one is better than the others?

I have been using SuperSearch and UsenetServer's Global search for a while. Then I used Newsbin Search the past week and found stuff I have been looking for for a long time but did not show up in the others, using the same search string.

why is Newsbin better? any technical reasons?
If you can't find what you're looking for on one search engine, try a different one because they don't all search the same newsgroups. I recommend you check these out: »Re: Are there any worthy alternatives to Newzbin.com?

Also, I VERY HIGHLY recommend you dump overpriced Giganews and get Astraweb: »Sign up at Astraweb now to pay $11/month for LIFE!
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said by ginn7 :

So any suggestions on why one is better than the others?
Hmm...Let me pose this question to you...Is there any reason why Google, Yahoo or Bing are better search engines that the other? People will argue both sides...but in the end they all have there weaknesses.

Supersearch is great because it allows you to search through just about all groups easily, with custom search parameters and stuff like that....The downfall is, if someone posts something with a cryptic name or something, and you do nto use the right search terms, you may miss it...So Newzbin may be better....but the downside to that is, the reports are compiled and edited by humans, so there is a great deal they miss..especially with the larger groups.

My search process usualyl starts with Supersearch, if I dont find a lot of results..I go to Binsearch.info...and then if still nothing...Newzbin.
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So any suggestions on why one is better than the others?

I have been using SuperSearch and UsenetServer's Global search for a while. Then I used Newsbin Search the past week and found stuff I have been looking for for a long time but did not show up in the others, using the same search string.

why is Newsbin better? any technical reasons?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22579157 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:55:21 EDT Re: [Newsgroups] Searching UseNet Question? What makes the Diffe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22577731 swintec :
said by Ginn :

My question really is what makes the difference on you search, does it matter which Usenet server you are using (Usenetserver, Giganews, etc) OR search engine?
It relies on the search engine..it is not searching your current usenet provider. Think about it...if your provider has, say, 10 days retention, Supersearch is still going to let you search 400 days back. Naturally, if you were to select something 350 days old..it would come up missing. Keeping this in mind, you kind of have to search "smart" and keep the retention limits of whoever you are using, in mind.
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I have used Giganews with Newsbin Search and Newsleecher with SuperSearch, and also the online Newsleacher Global Search.

I have used the same search phrases and each search comes up with different results.

My question really is what makes the difference on you search, does it matter which Usenet server you are using (Usenetserver, Giganews, etc) OR search engine?

Does the search engine use the provider to look for your query?
I ask because I noticed Newsbin search found a lot more of what I was looking for. However I like the Newsleecher program a lot better.
I want to use Newsleeacher but not pay for SuperSearch, I'd rather pay and use the Newsbin search.

Was the Newsbin search better because I was using Giganews at the time or does it matter which provider I use. Is it just that Newsbin is a better search then SuperSearch.

I know there are a lot of questions here but it boils down to which is the best searcher and do I need to be with a certain Usenet service to get the most results.

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22577243 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:35:22 EDT