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join:2005-09-21
Bronx, NY | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... I was about to go to staples and get a netbook. I will wait till monday and upgrade and pay the 99 dollars fee for the netbook. So i currently have 20/5 i can now bundle 35/15 in the Bronx??? | |
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deblin
Dark Side of the Moon
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join:2001-09-01
Middletown, DE
| Sorry, mentioning this fluff thing again so any discussion related to it can continue in this thread from the other.
I'm hoping someone from Verizon can definitively explain this "fluff" thing and what it really means. I really hope it's not something like powerboost!
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FiOS LIVE
So fast, it's LIVE
join:2008-11-25
Collegeville, PA
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... I'm curious to know the details behind this "fluff" too. Sounds to me more like increased overhead or something.
On a side note: Speed tests indicate that I've lost up to 2 mbps only on my download side but upload is the same. What's the deal? | |
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join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
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·ViaTalk
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by FiOS LIVE  :I'm curious to know the details behind this "fluff" too. Sounds to me more like increased overhead or something. On a side note: Speed tests indicate that I've lost up to 2 mbps only on my download side but upload is the same. What's the deal? Ever since I got Fios in August of last year I always get 24-25 Mb/s on the upload (20/20 package). My download never goes past 19.7, but the upload gets 25% more than it should.
I wonder if I change to the 25/15 if I'll end up getting 20 up lol... | |
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| TheOtherPete
join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| said by deblin :Sorry, mentioning this fluff thing again so any discussion related to it can continue in this thread from the other. I'm hoping someone from Verizon can definitively explain this "fluff" thing and what it really means. I really hope it's not something like powerboost! As far as I can tell, the term "fluff" was first mentioned here: »Re: Any new Speed tiers?
And that seems to refer to the practice of VZ over-provisioning the download speed so that when you do a speed test it shows the d/l speed you signed up for rather than a lower number caused by normal tcp/ip overhead so that folks won't complain that they aren't getting what they are paid for.
Hopefully vzguy1 will confirm but for now I would not assume that this is a gimmick like powerboost. | |
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deblin
Dark Side of the Moon
Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
Middletown, DE
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by TheOtherPete :said by deblin :Sorry, mentioning this fluff thing again so any discussion related to it can continue in this thread from the other. I'm hoping someone from Verizon can definitively explain this "fluff" thing and what it really means. I really hope it's not something like powerboost! As far as I can tell, the term "fluff" was first mentioned here: » Re: Any new Speed tiers?And that seems to refer to the practice of VZ over-provisioning the download speed so that when you do a speed test it shows the d/l speed you signed up for rather than a lower number caused by normal tcp/ip overhead so that folks won't complain that they aren't getting what they are paid for. Hopefully vzguy1 will confirm but for now I would not assume that this is a gimmick like powerboost. I know a comparison was made and/or it was mentioned, but it sounded to me like it was something more significant than something compensating for the overhead of TCP/IP.
The overhead of TCP/IP is only about 2.67 %. So for a 25/15 plan, you'd be talking provisioned speeds 25.67 down and 15.4 up.
The 'fluff' seemed like it was something more, but I guess we'll find out Monday when some speed tests start flowing in 
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced...
No fluff.
Download Speed: 19642 kbps (2455.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4610 kbps (576.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Where's my fluff?
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by N O Y B :No fluff. Download Speed: 19642 kbps (2455.3 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 4610 kbps (576.3 KB/sec transfer rate) Where's my fluff? That's normal for the 20X5 tier. | |
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced...said by NY Tel :said by N O Y B :No fluff. Download Speed: 19642 kbps (2455.3 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 4610 kbps (576.3 KB/sec transfer rate) Where's my fluff? That's normal for the 20X5 tier.
Right. No fluff; allowance for TCP overhead.
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
1 edit | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced...
Wait, I just saw the Verizon FiOS guy as I was getting off - He's the one on the right.... |
said by N O Y B :said by NY Tel :said by N O Y B :No fluff. Download Speed: 19642 kbps (2455.3 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 4610 kbps (576.3 KB/sec transfer rate) Where's my fluff? That's normal for the 20X5 tier. Right. No fluff; allowance for TCP overhead. No I do get fluff depending on the day of the week. I never get higher than 4800 on the upload and on the download I often get 22,000 but on average - my readings are close to yours and I am on PPPoE. | |
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join:2009-06-22 | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... getting about 26down/16 up now.
only a little fluff for me... | |
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Steely
Dumped Comcast for FiOS
Premium
join:2000-10-15
Princeton Junction, NJ | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... Where are you located? "Fluff" may be somewhat area dependent! | |
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by Steely :Where are you located? "Fluff" may be somewhat area dependent! Yes, we have neagtive fluff here | |
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join:2009-06-22 | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... im in los angeles. my download tests at 26 but on FTP servers its been up to 31 | |
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Agent Smith
join:2008-07-07
New York
1 edit | I think its only for new tiers like 25/15 and like 35/20 for the fluff.
also to the others THERE is not automatic upgrades you have to call to process or get the tier. | |
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join:2009-04-07
New York, NY
2 edits | its 6/21 i think
i'll be upgrading myself through my ordering site lol, instead of calling in. | |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... Tee hee, more proof that all Vz employees are not told the same thing  (the OP was quoting a Vz employee) | |
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join:2008-07-07
New York | Everythings the same since months never changed
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join:2006-09-16
Keller, TX | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... I went to the 25/15 and look at my upload.
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UofMiamiGrad
Premium
join:2001-02-03
Great Neck, NY
| I'll be curious to see what the price increase is from my 20/20 triple play bundle, currently $99.95/month, to the 35/20 with a triple play bundle. If it is not much, I may get that extra 15 Mbps down. Wished Verizon had upped the ante with Cablevision though and put out a package to compete with OOL Ultra. I'm sure they will eventually. | |
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join:2008-07-07
New York
1 edit | They probably competing with boost users that is 30/5 tier.
They not going to do 100Mb yet cause of the $300 activaton fee to get the Ultra plan on cable maybe when the fee gets lower then verizon will plan it. | |
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Archivis
Your Daddy
Premium
join:2001-11-26
Earth
·Verizon FIOS
| I wonder if I can downgrade my second tier down to first tier.
I believe when I started, my second tier was 15/2 or something and now their first tier is 15/5.
I don't need 25/15.
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join:2009-03-10
Pittsburgh, PA | That doesn't even make sense...
Why wouldn't the 20/20 tier change?
There has to obviously be a price increase for the current 20/5 people to go to 25/15 or else the 20/20 people are getting screwed... | |
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join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
2 edits | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by stevofc :That doesn't even make sense... Why wouldn't the 20/20 tier change? There has to obviously be a price increase for the current 20/5 people to go to 25/15 or else the 20/20 people are getting screwed... There is a $5 to $10/mo increase for bundle customers to jump from 20/5 to 25/15. The amount of the increase varies by area and plan.
Customers with 20/20 are free to change their plan. If you prefer 25/15, you can switch with a call on Monday. Customers always have the freedom to change their tier; customers are never locked into a certain tier.
Some people feel that the extra 5Mbps upload is worth a premium. Others do not. Verizon lets you decide. | |
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Agent Smith
join:2008-07-07
New York | "20/20 -> upgraded to 35/20 in NYC only"
I have 20/20 so Monday ill call to have 35/20 you should get 20/20 then Monday 35/20. | |
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA | I'm hoping they will decide to offer the 35/20 in other competitive areas. | |
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Chaser
join:2008-11-10
Edmonds, WA
1 edit | Over here in Edmonds, WA, I'm currently subscribed to the Triple Play Plan for $99/month. My internet speed is 10/2. I called them and asked how much it would cost to get the upgrade to 15/5, and they said that it will cost an extra $10/month.
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join:2008-03-02
Odessa, FL
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·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by Chaser :Over here in Edmonds, WA, I'm currently subscribed to the Triple Play Plan for $99/month. My internet speed is 10/2. I called them and asked how much it would cost to get the upgrade to 15/5, and they said that it will cost an extra $10/month. I was so hoping that it was going to be for free, oh well. I also have the 10/2 in my triple play. They won't upgrade you to the new minimum speed of 15/5 for free!?!  Well that ticks me off.  I was planning to call on Monday for the "free upgrade" after reading these posts over the past several days. That's what I get for listening to rumor and speculation. | |
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join:2008-11-10
Edmonds, WA
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by Gary A :said by Chaser :I was so hoping that it was going to be for free, oh well. I also have the 10/2 in my triple play. They won't upgrade you to the new minimum speed of 15/5 for free!?! Well that ticks me off. I was planning to call on Monday for the "free upgrade" after reading these posts over the past several days. That's what I get for listening to rumor and speculation. Well, the price differs from state to state. So, you just might be lucky. Furthermore, the person I spoke to said that the prices were "tentative," but I didn't ask for an explantion. | |
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The Folsom
Kindly Shut Your Noise Hole.
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by Chaser :Over here in Edmonds, WA, I'm currently subscribed to the Triple Play Plan for $99/month. My internet speed is 10/2. I called them and asked how much it would cost to get the upgrade to 15/5, and they said that it will cost an extra $10/month. I was so hoping that it was going to be for free, oh well. I'm gonna go for that and try for the netbook, too. I don't mind extending the contract as I am very satisfied with the service.
Best internet and bundle I've ever had, with more product for less than I was paying before.
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join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... I have a feeling the netbook is only for new subscribers, not existing ones that extend their contract. | |
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The Folsom
Kindly Shut Your Noise Hole.
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by eco :I have a feeling the netbook is only for new subscribers, not existing ones that extend their contract. If you're right, I'll have to find a way to do without.
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| said by Chaser :Over here in Edmonds, WA, I'm currently subscribed to the Triple Play Plan for $99/month. My internet speed is 10/2. I called them and asked how much it would cost to get the upgrade to 15/5, and they said that it will cost an extra $10/month. I was so hoping that it was going to be for free, oh well. Eventually, I think the price will go back down to $99 for the cheapest bundle. When they increased the speeds last year, the $99 bundle was increased in price also. Eventually, it came back down to $99. I think $99/month is a sweet spot for a lot of people and hopefully it will make a come back. | |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
1 edit | said by The Folsom :» forums.verizon.com/vrzn/board/me···9#M11529Verizon will be upgrading speeds Starting Monday 6/22 (1) What speeds are available and where? 10/2 -> 15/5 (all service areas) 20/5 -> 25/15 (all service areas) 20/20 -> upgraded to 35/20 in NYC only 50/20 -> No change Well those entry speeds just shat all over Comcasts "omgzitsDocsis3!" speeds, not to mention no caps on FiOS..to bad Verizon sold off my entire state. : / | |
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martinburger
join:2008-01-01
Woodmere, NY | I currently am "grandfathered" in the 30/5, would they be able to give me 30/15?
If 20/5 -> 20/15 then would 30/5 -> 30/15? | |
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join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
| said by martinburger :I currently am "grandfathered" in the 30/5, would they be able to give me 30/15? If 20/5 -> 20/15 then would 30/5 -> 30/15? There is no 30/15 plan. You can only switch to one of the tiers mentioned in the first post. | |
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kes601
join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA | I've been told that in Hampton Roads Market the bundle price will be going up to $119/month for Extreme HD and the 25/15 Internet.
$10 more for a 5 meg increase in download speed? No thanks. | |
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Chaser
join:2008-11-10
Edmonds, WA | At first, when I heard about the increase in speed, I was really excited, but now, after hearing about the price increase, I'm just not interested anymore. | |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... said by Chaser :At first, when I heard about the increase in speed, I was really excited, but now, after hearing about the price increase, I'm just not interested anymore. Agreed. I have 20X5 and my billing is correct. I am not going to risk it and I really don't need the speed increase. | |
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@verizon.net | I currently have 20/20 in central NJ, will I be able to upgrade, and if so to what? Anyone know? I dont know whether the "NYC" includes tristate area or w/e.... Thanks for the info | |
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Agent Smith
join:2008-07-07
New York | Re: Looks like the announcement is announced... I think its also all over NJ and D-NY stands for downstate NY which means the Tri-state if im not mistaking. | |
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Chaser
join:2008-11-10
Edmonds, WA
1 edit | Currently, I'm subscribed to the Triple Play Plan, Good Bundle. My internet speed is 10/2 and I pay $99/month. For $10 more, I can subscribe to the Better Bundle and receive more channels as well as a faster internet speed of 20/5.
However, I can wait until Monday, request that I receive the upgrade for $10 more, and receive a speed of 15/5 and no extra channels.
So, let's see:
Upgrade now for +$10/month:
internet speed: 20/5
53 more HD channels
Upgrade Monday for +$10/month:
internet speed: 15/5
no extra channels
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Raphion
join:2000-10-14
Samsara | Boo. I thought 25/15 was going to be the same $55 price as the 20/5 had been. With that being $65, I'm gonna stay on the bottom tier, though I'll be calling to get the bump to 15/5. | |
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