takeahike
join:2005-01-07
Woodland Hills, CA
4 edits | 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem Well, I finally did it. Got the new Accord. See my old thread »What's Your Next Car? So I was looking on Yahoo and they had this story about best and worst cars, etc., and I came across a link to »www.carcomplaints.com and see that the 2008 & 2009 Accords have a severe (seems like might be in the design, and thus pretty much 100%) problem with squeaky brakes and extremely pre-mature wear. See here. Also seems like the fix is just replace them only to be back in the same boat in the same very short time period. So, is American Honda doing anything about this? Apparently not much more than just thinking it over. Pressure should be mounted for a recall and a real fix. Never had any such problems on my prior Accords (three of them).
By the way, my buying story might help you. American Honda Finance now has a lease deal of $2699 down (plus tax, license, etc.) and $199/mo. (agreed value about $2400 below sticker and below invoice) but you know how all dealers just start there and try to stick you with $2000 of junk dealer options that 'cannot' be 'removed.' I called before I went in and told him I was aware of this trick (mainly from my prior dealings with the same dealership) and he bullshitted me of course with 'you don't have to take those, blah, blah,' but when I got there every, yes every, car had that crap added. Then the salesperson, the phone guy's assistant, said they had one just off the truck without that and that since it was Sunday they hadn't molested it yet and that I could buy it right there before they had a chance to add all the crap. So I did, and got the quoted deal! You can maybe do this by waiting for one to come in if one like that isn't there when you go to buy. In any event, I'm real happy with this deal and, incidentally, am glad it's a lease so I can turn it in after the 36 months if this brake problem rears it's ugly head without a solution.
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Fairfield, CA | Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem Squeaking brakes are an annoyance, but not a safety defect requiring a recall. Usually it can be fixed with a different hardness pad. | |
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takeahike
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Woodland Hills, CA | Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem Read the complaints. New brakes every 15-20k? That's a problem worthy of a recall in my opinion.
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by takeahike  :Read the complaints. New brakes every 15-20k? That's a problem worthy of a recall in my opinion. Ok, this means a brake pad change every 14-24 months for the average user.
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takeahike
join:2005-01-07
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem Well, maybe not the word recall, but wouldn't you think a fix that will bring it into normal brake replacement intervals (50-80k) covered under warranty?
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1 edit | Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem That is up to Honda and what they feel is acceptable wear for the parts. There are also other factors that may be responsible for premature wear of the rear brakes including improper bedding of the brakes, complete retraction of the pads when the parking brake is released, the pad composition, etc.
FYI, years ago I worked for a company who leased Ford Tempo variants for their service employees. The front brakes only lasted 20K miles on those Tempo's. Ford claimed this was normal wear. | |
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| said by takeahike :Well, maybe not the word recall, but wouldn't you think a fix that will bring it into normal brake replacement intervals (50-80k) covered under warranty? Brake pads are a wear item and not covered by a warranty unless they fall apart (break). | |
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takeahike
join:2005-01-07
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1 edit | Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem Don't really buy that. There such a thing as reasonable expectations with any product and there are implied warranties of merchantability in all states. What if they wore out after 1000 miles--could they say that isn't covered cause it's a wear item?
As I said this is my 4th Accord, and frankly I've been an Accord nut for years. There aren't any other substantial problem reports with this car and it's a great machine, as all my past ones have been and in line with the manufacturer's reputation for excellence. So it'd be nice if they would come up with some fixes for this problem--even if it's not covered--and the car will then more than live up to my expectations.
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| If the *THOUGHT* of it bothers you so badly, sell the car....problem solved.
You just got the car and someone, somewhere, on some internet board states that THEY are feeling like they are not getting enough mileage out of thier brakes.....
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1 edit | Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem It's not just someone. If you look at the board I cited most problems have a few complaints but this one has over 300! So it's real, not imagined. I'm not too terribly worried about it except to say that I think the manufacturer should make a real effort to address the issue, and it appears that they're wallowing about it for too long. Like I said I love Accords, am otherwise real happy and really can't conceive of too may other cars I'd like to buy. Complete satisfaction is always best, however.
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clubs: | Doesn't brake wear have a lot to do with the driver? How hard they brake, if they screech to a stop from high speeds? Ride the brakes? See plenty of people doing all those things. | |
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by matt5 :Show me a car of that class that gets 80k out of a set of brakes, lol. that's what i was thinking...
I have an older accord, and I end up with new brake pads every 2 years or so....(10k per year) | |
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1 edit | I could swear my '98 Accord didn't need them until about 100k and I'm pretty darn certain my '02 Highlander didn't have any brakes before when I just had them done at 110k. I will say that I drive mostly freeways.
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by takeahike :I could swear my '98 Accord didn't need them until about 100k and I'm pretty darn certain my '02 Highlander didn't have any brakes before when I just had them done at 110k. I will say that I drive mostly freeways. Highways will make wear easier (less stopping and starting) but I don't think I have ever had a set of disk pads last 80K and I am easy on the breaks. Drums will last a LOT longer in general (over 180K miles on my '89 Civic - drums on the rear - even doing several performance driving schools on them).
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by CylonRed :said by takeahike :I could swear my '98 Accord didn't need them until about 100k and I'm pretty darn certain my '02 Highlander didn't have any brakes before when I just had them done at 110k. I will say that I drive mostly freeways. Highways will make wear easier (less stopping and starting) but I don't think I have ever had a set of disk pads last 80K and I am easy on the breaks. Drums will last a LOT longer in general (over 180K miles on my '89 Civic - drums on the rear - even doing several performance driving schools on them). Unless your "freeway" drive occurs in some major metropolitan area during rush hour. In that case you use your brakes even more often.
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1 edit | Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem Sure, but a TRUCK has much heavier duty brakes than does a car. | |
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| said by matt5 :Show me a car of that class that gets 80k out of a set of brakes, lol. I know at 23 year old at the time who bought a new 2001 Monte Carlo and got 99,000 before the FRONT disc pads started to hit the disc, and my new '02 Explorer now with 69500 miles on it still have the origional pads, with lining to spare. | |
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1 edit | said by matt5 :Show me a car of that class that gets 80k out of a set of brakes, lol.
My 99 Civic EX got its factory front pads replaced at 115,000 miles. Currently it has 204K miles on the clock and the second set of pads are still good. Rear brakes have never being serviced. This is exactly what you should expect from a Honda.
On the other hand, many dealerships like to replace pads after 20% of it has worn out, ripping people off.
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by MZR :said by matt5 :Show me a car of that class that gets 80k out of a set of brakes, lol. My 99 Civic EX got its factory front pads replaced at 115,000 miles. Currently it has 204K miles on the clock and the second set of pads are still good. Rear brakes have never being serviced. This is exactly what you should expect from a Honda. On the other hand, many dealerships like to replace pads after 20% of it has worn out, ripping people off. Tip: As soon as the car warranty expires, terminate the relationship with the dealership. Why not before? The only reason to go to a dealership are for warranty items. Brake pads are not. All routine maintenance on my cars is done by myself or someone other than the dealers.
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1 edit | said by matt5 :Show me a car of that class that gets 80k out of a set of brakes, lol. 95k on my Honda Civic. Probably would have lasted to 100k, but I chickened-out. 55k on the current set of brakes so far. | |
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| That is possible. I had a 1997 Honda Accord LX. When I brought the car (used) it had 42,000miles. I had the rear breaks changed once in the seven years I had this car. Sold it with 129,000miles on it......And the rear breaks never Squeaked like my "Brand New 2009 Honda Accord". | |
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takeahike
join:2005-01-07
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2 edits | Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by Omega :I have an '08 accord with 21k miles on it, I have no problems. Good to hear. Maybe it's not universal. Of course the problem with the complaint boards is that you hear only the complaints so you really have no idea what the percentage is of units that have problems.
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by takeahike :said by Omega :I have an '08 accord with 21k miles on it, I have no problems. Good to hear. Maybe it's not universal. Of course the problem with the complaint boards is that you hear only the complaints so you really have no idea what the percentage is of units that have problems. True, but the fact is there's over 200 owners with worn out rear disc brake pads, and most under 25000 miles, and that IS a problem. Even my '02 Ford Explorer with 69000 miles on it has 50% of the rear disc brake lining left. | |
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem Thanks. I agree something's wrong. Let's hope the manufacturer will get serious about the problem. I tried to send them an e-mail with the link to this thread but they don't have e-mail communication set up. Hmmm . . . . . . No problem contacting Toyota that way.
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| It was on the consumerist. »consumerist.com/5268731/honda-ow···esponded
Basically the pads in the back are smaller than the front ones, but the computer is set to use the back breaks more than the front since using the front breaks causes the nose to dip. Basically it sounds like two different groups designed it and forgot to talk to each other.
Possible fixes are setting the computer to use the front breaks more or putting larger brakes on the back. I assume Honda will spring for the software fix eventually. But who knows, maybe they think they can use ignore it and make people pay a ton on break pads. | |
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by insomniac84 : But who knows, maybe they think they can use ignore it and make people pay a ton on break pads. Honda isn't going to pay for break pads. They don't exist.
Now if you want to upgrade the braking system including your brake pads, select a brake manufacturer in the aftermarket or racing industry to custom build you a set of ceramic/carbon puck pads and ceramic/carbon rotors on aluminum hubs to dissipate the heat away from the wheel bearings.
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by Doctor Olds :Honda isn't going to pay for break pads. They don't exist. If they have larger breaks in the front, I believe the solution is to take the front breaks and mirror them on the back. What that fully entails, I really could care less about.
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by Doctor Olds :said by insomniac84 :said by Doctor Olds :Honda isn't going to pay for break pads. They don't exist. If they have larger breaks Sadly my point went flying over your head at a super-sonic pace. And at very high altitude -- a veritable verbal space shuttle!
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| Well I just bought a new 09 accord in Dec. from the first day problems with brakes squeaking have brought in several times only to be told Honda WILL NOT AUTHORIZE REPAIRS at this time they know there is a problem but until they can come up with a solution to bad so sad basically. Well when you use inferior products I guess you will get problems such as these. Honda better WAKE UP or they may find themselves like GM and Chrysler. First time customer WILL NEVER BUY HONDA AGAIN. If I want crappy products I can buy American and at least save some jobs. | |
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by Leb :
First time customer WILL NEVER BUY HONDA AGAIN. If I want crappy products I can buy American and at least save some jobs.
Considering that your Honda was very likely built/assembled in the USA, not buying from Honda would cost Americans their current jobs. Now ain't that a bitch? 
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| I would expect 30-40k but 25k isn't THAT bad, try using cheap aftermarket pads that last 8-10k miles...
And there are good aftermarket pads, why not do some research and install those when your OEM pads wear out?
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| why do you people change your brakes so often? I've got 131k miles on my original front pads/discs (though they are to the floor now) on an 05 chevy cobalt that I've put over 70k miles on in the last year delivering food..
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by ObdH :why do you people change your brakes so often? I've got 131k miles on my original front pads/discs (though they are to the floor now) on an 05 chevy cobalt that I've put over 70k miles on in the last year delivering food.. So, whereas most sensible people replace their brakes before the pedal is "to the floor", you're going to wait until when ? And if you'd have changed them like most people, how many miles would that be ? said by ObdH : I hit the brakes at the last possible minute and as hard as possible... some people ride em all day long and wonder why they last 30k How is that any "better" for brakes ? People who ride their brakes or people who slam them on at the last moment certainly wear out brakes faster than people who are *easy* on brakes. | |
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| I have a 2008 V6 Accord that I just replaced the brakes on as well, 20,000 miles. I do not ride the brakes, just drive normally. I have had 13 cars in 25 years, never replaced brakes before 30 K. Its a real problem, you pay 30K for a car you dont expect the brakes to wear out in a year. | |
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| I have a 2008 Accord Sedan with 13500 miles on it and the brakes are driving me crazy....the sqeaking is unbelieveable and completely ruins they way I used to feel driving the car. I spent good, hard earned money on this car and I expect that it will not sound like a freight train making an emergency stop every time I have to slow down. I got the same story from Herb Chambers Honda when I brought it back to them asking them to check it out and fix the problem. "It is a well known problem which Honda is aware of but at this time there is nothing they can do since the breaks technically still work" Unbelievable...If they dont come up with a fix for this I will not buy another Honda..this was my first and will be my last..My wife is due for a new car soon...I'll be looking elsewhere no doubt. Good luck everybody. | |
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| I'm still on my original set of brake linings, both front and back, on my '05 Accord LX... almost 80k on the clock. About 70-80% of my driving is on the Ohio Turnpike with the cruise control on most of the time (I use the cruise decel function a lot to slow down instead of the brakes). I think my front pads are near the end of their life.
On my last car ('97 Corolla DX), I had to replace the front pads @ about 66k and were due again @ ~143k when I traded it in for the Accord. I replaced the back drum shoes once @ ~120k. About 70-80% turnpike cruising.
I sometimes get this growling sound from my right front wheel. It always starts when I'm on the turnpike or other freeway at normal (60-70 MPH) freeway speeds. It'll gradually get louder and louder. When I've pulled over to the side of the road or turnpike plaza to check it out, I've smelled a burnt plastic (or something else?) smell coming from the right front wheel area. The noise and vibration go away after I get back on the highway after stopping. Maybe I've pushed my luck too far with the brake pads?
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| Honda has a real problem. I used to get 50k-80K miles on my older Accord rear brakes, now only 20K? Also, the front brakes are hardly worn. Need to turn up the heat on American Honda, Mr. Tetsuo Iwmura President and CEO
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| Re: 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem said by Al in MD :
Honda has a real problem. I used to get 50k-80K miles on my older Accord rear brakes, now only 20K? Also, the front brakes are hardly worn.
Everyone so far has complained of Front Pad excessively fast wear at 20K to 30K, but not accelerated Rear Pads wear with the Front intact as you are posting.
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Despite all the posts, there is NO WAY rear brake pads should wear out in 20 to 30 thousand miles...period
Happened on my wife's crappy Volvo. | |
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