 icp1Premium
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Saint Louis, MO | tivo haters What's with all the tivo hate?
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Greenville, NC | Re: tivo haters Me, too. | |
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1 edit | Re: tivo haters Me, three  Tivo provides great service and quality. | |
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| | | | Re: tivo haters I am anxiously awaiting TIVO's Hi-def DVR for DirecTV. My wife loves the SD R-10, and how it records stuff for her that she she likes without having to set it up. And anything that makes the wife happy makes ME happy! | |
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Chandler, AZ | Re: tivo haters said by viperlmw:And anything that makes the wife happy makes ME happy! rarely are truer words ever uttered on this site...
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Stepford, CA | Re: tivo haters said by caco:Happy wife, happy life. Smart man. Not necessarily. Get rid of the wife if she's so unhappy. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: tivo haters said by major marco:said by caco:Happy wife, happy life. Smart man. Not necessarily. Get rid of the wife if she's so unhappy. Uugghh! | |
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Stepford, CA | Re: tivo haters said by rahvin112:And half of everything you own. Yea good plan. Only in community property states and only if you didn't have a pre-nuptial agreement in place before you said I do. Only ignorant schmucks hand over half of their property. | |
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| | said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do.
1. SDV without the need for more hardware
2. Two way services. cable cards weren't needed with the older style boxes till the FCC sold out to tivo and required the cable companies to provide cable cards.. | |
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00000 | Re: tivo haters said by ajwees41:said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. it's the other way around: cable dvr's can do about half what a Tivo can do.
plus, SDV / on demand is complete garbage. it's filler designed to look like something useful but it never was to me. | |
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| | | | Re: tivo haters said by morbo:said by ajwees41:said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. it's the other way around: cable dvr's can do about half what a Tivo can do. plus, SDV / on demand is complete garbage. it's filler designed to look like something useful but it never was to me. sdv is not complete garbage if your favorite channel is moved there since you are the only to watch it. | |
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Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| Re: tivo haters said by ajwees41:sdv is not complete garbage if your favorite channel is moved there since you are the only to watch it. You do realize that Cox is giving away the tuning resolver for free, right?
I'd take Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube (among other VoD options on TiVo) any day of the week over Cox's anemic onDemand service. I do sometimes miss one thing...HBO on demand. Other than that, between the more reliable recording, the aforementioned VOD services, and the hard drive expandability, I see nothing in the Cox box.
And maybe Passport finally works, but when I had it it would constantly record dupes, and worse would miss recordings on a regular basis. I had it because at the time an S3 was going for over $700. I finally got fed up enough with the Cox box to pay the damn $650.
What was sad was that within 8 months or so the THD was out and selling for Circuit City for $250.
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| icp1Premium
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Saint Louis, MO | said by ajwees41:said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. 1. SDV without the need for more hardware 2. Two way services. cable cards weren't needed with the older style boxes till the FCC sold out to tivo and required the cable companies to provide cable cards.. I don't have cable  | |
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| | | Actually this is wrong.
You can do SDV and two way services... its just that AGAIN CableLabs and pretty much everyone cable co. involved is taking their sweet ass time with the USB adaptor to make this all work properly. | |
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| | | | Re: tivo haters said by axiomatic:Actually this is wrong. You can do SDV and two way services... its just that AGAIN CableLabs and pretty much everyone cable co. involved is taking their sweet ass time with the USB adaptor to make this all work properly. the sdv adapter is out, but it only does sdv not 2way communications no odemand, or other two way services. | |
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1 edit | said by ajwees41:said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. 1. SDV without the need for more hardware 2. Two way services. cable cards weren't needed with the older style boxes till the FCC sold out to tivo and required the cable companies to provide cable cards.. So where's netflix, amazon, HME apps, mp3 playback support (over the network no less), Live365 and THX certification?
Which cable DVRs have a nice little OLED display to tell you what's recording without having to turn on the TV?
Where's the ability to offload shows to or ingest them from your PC, or to and from other DVRs?
These are just a few of the features on my Series 3 TiVo DVR.
Cable DVRs are stupid. I had one from Cablevision and TiVo is 100000000x better.
Don't blame the lack of ondemand on TiVo. Blame it on CableLabs and the stupid cable companies who want to tie you to their box forever and completely control your TV set, or who are afraid of people uploading shows to bittorrent (which is why you can only get cablecard TV tuners on brand new PCs). | |
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| |  aaronwtPremium
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Woodbridge, VA
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| Re: tivo haters said by fifty nine:said by ajwees41:said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. 1. SDV without the need for more hardware 2. Two way services. cable cards weren't needed with the older style boxes till the FCC sold out to tivo and required the cable companies to provide cable cards.. So where's netflix, amazon, HME apps, mp3 playback support (over the network no less), Live365 and THX certification? Which cable DVRs have a nice little OLED display to tell you what's recording without having to turn on the TV? Where's the ability to offload shows to or ingest them from your PC, or to and from other DVRs? These are just a few of the features on my Series 3 TiVo DVR. Cable DVRs are stupid. I had one from Cablevision and TiVo is 100000000x better. Well to be fair, the Series 3, the one with the OLED screen is not sold any more. Although I prefer my Series 3 boxes over myTiVoHD boxes, but the S3 can't handle multistream cable cards. So I'll be trading my S3 boxes with my girlfriends TiVoHD boxes since she only uses OTA. | |
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| | | | | Re: tivo haters said by aaronwt:Well to be fair, the Series 3, the one with the OLED screen is not sold any more. Although I prefer my Series 3 boxes over myTiVoHD boxes, but the S3 can't handle multistream cable cards. So I'll be trading my S3 boxes with my girlfriends TiVoHD boxes since she only uses OTA. I agree that the THD was a big downgrade and TiVo screwed the pooch with the multistream cablecard support.
But since I paid outright for my cablecards, they are mine and I have no monthly fees which cuts my cable bill down by about $15 per month. | |
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America Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: tivo haters That's awesome! ...How much did the card cost?
I'm considering one for a dual tuner MCE setup to basically take over for the cable DVR...
Would much rather buy one than rent one, or (edit: being forced to) rent one that's basically attached at the hip to the cable DVR box... MUCH rather just buy the silly key and be done with it...
One should have the freedom to choose what device they'd like to plug the key into - the rented box, the monster new Tivo of the year, the Media Center/PVR box of your choice (Linux should be one's choice as well. As should a Mac) | |
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| | | | said by fifty nine:said by ajwees41:said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. 1. SDV without the need for more hardware 2. Two way services. cable cards weren't needed with the older style boxes till the FCC sold out to tivo and required the cable companies to provide cable cards.. So where's netflix, amazon, HME apps, mp3 playback support (over the network no less), Live365 and THX certification? I am gussing with the Tru2way software coming those will launch sooner than later. Which cable DVRs have a nice little OLED display to tell you what's recording without having to turn on the TV? Where's the ability to offload shows to or ingest them from your PC, or to and from other DVRs? These are just a few of the features on my Series 3 TiVo DVR. Cable DVRs are stupid. I had one from Cablevision and TiVo is 100000000x better. Don't blame the lack of ondemand on TiVo. Blame it on CableLabs and the stupid cable companies who want to tie you to their box forever and completely control your TV set, or who are afraid of people uploading shows to bittorrent (which is why you can only get cablecard TV tuners on brand new PCs). | |
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| | | | | | Re: tivo haters said by fifty nine:Tru2Way won't bring netflix and amazon. Try again. itt might if tivo is also running on the cable dvr.  | |
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Riverhead, NY | I don't want to pay monthly for it.
If I could extract the videos from it (a-la old school SD models) then I would be all over it.
To match my current SA DVR (which I love) I would need a $300 Tivo HD DVR and also rent two cable cards. And then what a month?
$600 for the LARGER HD XL? Gimme a break.
I looked at Tivo To Go's FAQ - what a joke! I don't want proprietary DRM that won't work in ANY device that I will actually use. | |
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Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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3 edits | Re: tivo haters said by fcisler:I don't want to pay monthly for it. If I could extract the videos from it (a-la old school SD models) then I would be all over it. To match my current SA DVR (which I love) I would need a $300 Tivo HD DVR and also rent two cable cards. And then what a month? $600 for the LARGER HD XL? Gimme a break. I looked at Tivo To Go's FAQ - what a joke! I don't want proprietary DRM that won't work in ANY device that I will actually use. I recently bought two more TiVoHD boxes from TiVO for $500 each which included lifetime service for each box. So $200 for the TiVo and $300 for the lifetime service.
Then I'll throw in a 1TB drive which is only $75 and I'll have 157 hours of recording capacity for HD.
I'm on FIOS and I can transfer any recording I make to another TiVo on my account or to a PC for permanent storage or to be burned to a BD or DVD. | |
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Riverhead, NY | Re: tivo haters What format are the files you transfer to your PC?
You've still spent $1,000 on Tivo's.....
My cable co (cablevision) charges me $10/mo for DVR. That's 100 months or 8 years and 4 months to actually recoup the service.
How long until tivo comes out with their next model? Damn sure before 8 years. What's the chance the Tivo's will break somewhere during that time?
That's the way I am looking at it. I honestly feel that their REQUIRED SERVICE is the absolute biggest ripoff. I can get the same information that they provide FREE online. Why should I have to pay them monthly - or dish out a ridiculous $300 for "lifetime service"? What happens when the Tivo dies - can I transfer it to a new unit? Oh no - wait! According to THIS the lifetime subscription is tied to a UNIT and not a SUBSCRIBER. Your unit dies or you want to upgrade - BEND OVER! | |
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00000 | Re: tivo haters said by fcisler:My cable co (cablevision) charges me $10/mo for DVR. That's 100 months or 8 years and 4 months to actually recoup the service. you're assuming that cable company doesn't raise rates. may cable companies now charge $15-20 just for a dvr. | |
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Beacon, NY
kudos:1 | said by fcisler:What format are the files you transfer to your PC? My cable co (cablevision) charges me $10/mo for DVR. That's 100 months or 8 years and 4 months to actually recoup the service. Actually, its $10 for the service, plus the box fee which is somewhere between $6 and $7/m. | |
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| | | | | said by fcisler:What format are the files you transfer to your PC? You've still spent $1,000 on Tivo's..... My cable co (cablevision) charges me $10/mo for DVR. That's 100 months or 8 years and 4 months to actually recoup the service. How long until tivo comes out with their next model? Damn sure before 8 years. What's the chance the Tivo's will break somewhere during that time? That's the way I am looking at it. I honestly feel that their REQUIRED SERVICE is the absolute biggest ripoff. I can get the same information that they provide FREE online. Why should I have to pay them monthly - or dish out a ridiculous $300 for "lifetime service"? What happens when the Tivo dies - can I transfer it to a new unit? Oh no - wait! According to THIS the lifetime subscription is tied to a UNIT and not a SUBSCRIBER. Your unit dies or you want to upgrade - BEND OVER! The file format is a DRMed MPEG file (which you can easily un-DRM if you know how). If you want to unlock the DRM simply install the free TiVo desktop software, put your media access key and view it on any PC. If you paid ($30) for TiVo desktop plus you can make DRM free files for iPod, PSP and others.
As for the cost - you pay more for a superior product. I've had Cablevision's crappy DVR and it was missing so many recordings it wasn't funny.
Failures - most are hard drive failures. Easy to fix if you know how.
Lifetime subs - I agree that it would be better if it were tied to the individual, but they do offer deals to transfer your lifetime sub from time to time. | |
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1 edit | said by fcisler:I don't want to pay monthly for it. If I could extract the videos from it (a-la old school SD models) then I would be all over it. You can buy lifetime service for $399. As long as you own the box, you pay no monthly fees. if you have two boxes on your account, you pay only $299 for lifetime service.
With the older boxes you can extract video using a hack. As a bonus, the extracted videos have no DRM. Try that with your cable DVR.
The newer boxes obviously support TiVo To Go and Multi Room Viewing which means no hacks are necessary and you can extract using the TiVo Desktop software. Obviously it is DRMed but that doesn't stop a lot of people if you get my drift. | |
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Chandler, AZ | Re: tivo haters said by digitalfreak:Lifetime is defined as the lifetime of the box itself, not yours. but they could use a model similar to what sirius/xm does for *their* lifetime subscription. you pay a flat rate for a "lifetime" of service. if the device breaks or you want to upgrade, you can transfer the service on up to three different devices for a fee of $75. this way, the customer still gets to upgrade to the newest technology, keeps the existing lifetime service, and sirius still makes money off something that requires nearly nothing on the backend.
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2 edits | said by fcisler:I don't want to pay monthly for it. To match my current SA DVR (which I love) I would need a $300 Tivo HD DVR and also rent two cable cards. And then what a month? As of this posting, you can get a TivoHD for $499 with no monthly fees ever. This is a promotion, so I'm not sure how long it will last.
»www3.tivo.com/store/addpackage.d···4KDHVR3S
You can upgrade a TivoHD to 1TB for about $90. Instructions here.
said by fcisler:If I could extract the videos from it (a-la old school SD models) then I would be all over it.. The high-definition TiVos support the same video extraction functionality of the "old school SD models."
You can download non-copy-protected recordings with any web browser, as seen below. You can also use any one of a handful of different download utilities.
Extraction using a web browser...
Extraction using TiVo Desktop...
Most cable companies only "copy protect" content on the premium movie channels. Unfortunately, Brighthouse and Time Warner are among the few that copy-protect most high-definition cable channels. Federal law prohibits such copy protection on HD locals, however.
TiVo's free download tool (TiVo Desktop) downloads recordings with DRM, but that is easily removed. And there are a number of free download tools that eliminate the DRM, such as Kmttg. Kmttg automatically removes the DRM from every download; it will also go a step further, and automatically detect and remove commercials.
TiVo doesn't mention such tools on their web site for obvious reasons. | |
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aaronwtPremium
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Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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2 edits | said by icp1:What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. I love my six TiVoHDs and three Series 3 tiVos I 'm currently using.
They work much better than anycable company DVRs I've used. And in the long run, much cheaper too. I pay $6.95 a month for the boxes or I've paid $200 to $300 for lifetime service.
The local cable companies want $16 to $19 a month for their DVRs and they can't even record reliably like TiVo. I've used over twenty TiVos since 2001 and the number of missed programs can be counted on one hand. Some of the people I know using cable Company DVRs miss that many recordings in a month.
Even if the cable companies offered me free TV, phone and internet service for life, with the stipulation that I had to use their DVRs. I would not take them up on the offer. Their DVR offerings are that bad. | |
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